Dean Wicks

[xx_Dan_xx]

How can Linda move on and be safe with Dean living in such close proximity to her and her family and also he is Mick's brother

True but I've read a lot of news articles where the rapist was a family member - if they get away with it - isn't it good to receive help and information about what you can do and what is available to you?

Aren't storylines these soaps do suppose to help raise awareness and provide information to all kinds of victims in all scenarios of crimes.

Why shouldn't soaps provide information and help to people who tried to get legal justice and couldn't.

I get why you want Dean jailed to be shown badly - to encourage victims to come forward and to feel that justice can be served and that showing it doesn't wouldn't help. I understand. But what do you have in mind when situations like that don't happen... It is important to encourage victims to seek justice but what then if the victim doesn't get justice? Do you just end the help there or avoid covering more realistic scenarios? Soaps have a duty when covering these crimes to provide help to everyone in all situations - to try make a difference and help everyone.

I'd imagine if a rape victim saw this ideal situation - so then decided to go to the police but only to find its too late, that they left it too long. What happens to these people? In John-Paul's case on Hollyoaks - he was told if had a bath/shower they'd have no evidence - meaning if the victim waited just even a day after the event - it isn't looking good? So for a victim at home watching this - it might be too late for DNA evidence angle. What happens to them? EE need to show the type of help they can get, professional help was shown very little in EE which is a mark down from me, but what was shown that Linda has the support of those closet to her, and we can all agree Linda is on her way to who she was before.

Please reply to this post with this question answered, if Dean was arrested immediately, where is the help for the other victims?

[xx_Dan_xx]

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[Dazzle]

Maybe I have a less popular opinion here but I am thinking about all the victims and not just a few. Soaps have done the ideal situation for rapes in the past where they were arrested - show us new scenarios so we can know how to help someone in that situation rather than repeat situations we've seen. Like you said, most rapists get away, disgusting though that it is, we need to know rather than pretend it doesn't happen or avoid it. The focus is on the victim not the perpetrator.

I understand the point you're making and there is something to be said with showing that rape victims can get on with their lives even without justice

HOWEVER what Matt di Angelo and DTC appear not to understand is that most viewers do not want to watch the rapist getting on with his life. Let him leave Albert Square so that happens off screen.

Bit in bold: that isn't how the storyline has played out though. Most of it's been about the Carter feud, Shirley's dilemma and Dean's self-pity. There's been very little focus on how Linda's coping since the reveal - which is pretty outrageous. Also, she's surrounded by a community who have no idea if she was lying or not about the rape. No doubt many of them think she was (as evidenced by Ian's remark a few weeks ago).

It's obvious that Matt is DTC's favourite and that's coming across on screen. We don't want to see rapists written that way! If he wasn't being written so sympathetically there wouldn't be such an outcry about this.

Matt di Angelo obviously has no idea how being raped profoundly affects victims, sometimes for the rest of their lives, if he thinks minor punishments "on a daily basis" will satisfy viewers.

Billy suffers more than Dean all the time and he isn't a rapist

Very good point.

The BBC is a publicly funded body . They can't
change what happens in rape cases but they
shouldnt be re-inforcing " the rape doesn't
really count " mentality of characters like
Dean and his followers.

Another excellent point. By changing their mind about Dean's comeuppance DTC and his team have effectively downplayed the seriousness of rape as Dean's allowed to get on with his life and bond with his daughter.

Dan - how exactly has this storyline given help and information to victims who don't get justice? All that's been shown is that Linda's ordeal at the police interview was pointless and that, at the very best, most of the community think it's possible she lied about rape to cover up her adultery. Yes her close family believe her but that's true of most rape victims (though obviously not all).

I'm very close to someone who was raped in a similar way to Linda was, by a "friend", less than two years ago (and he wasn't even charged let alone convicted, though the police believed her). I assure you this storyline has been of no help to her. EE used to be her favourite TV program but why should she and other victims suffer seeing someone similar to their attacker getting on with their life and, worse, being written about sympathetically? It's quite outrageous!!!

[maidmarian]

True but I've read a lot of news articles where the rapist was a family member - if they get away with it - isn't it good to receive help and information about what you can do and what is available to you?

Aren't storylines these soaps do suppose to help raise awareness and provide information to all kinds of victims in all scenarios of crimes.

Why shouldn't soaps provide information and help to people who tried to get legal justice and couldn't.



I get why you want Dean jailed to be shown badly - to encourage victims to come forward and to feel that justice can be served and that showing it doesn't wouldn't help. I understand. But what do you have in mind when situations like that don't happen... It is important to encourage victims to seek justice but what then if the victim doesn't get justice? Do you just end the help there or avoid covering more realistic scenarios? Soaps have a duty when covering these crimes to provide help to everyone in all situations - to try make a difference and help everyone.

I'd imagine if a rape victim saw this ideal situation - so then decided to go to the police but only to find its too late, that they left it too long. What happens to these people? In John-Paul's case on Hollyoaks - he was told if had a bath/shower they'd have no evidence - meaning if the victim waited just even a day after the event - it isn't looking good? So for a victim at home watching this - it might be too late for DNA evidence angle. What happens to them? EE need to show the type of help they can get, professional help was shown very little in EE which is a mark down from me, but what was shown that Linda has the support of those closet to her, and we can all agree Linda is on her way to who she was before.

Please reply to this post with this question answered, if Dean was arrested immediately, where is the help for the other victims?

Well.Dean not being arrested immediately hasn't
provided help for victims either.You do.say that
EE didnt give much info- so thats not a dig.I do
accept you are trying to put a positive slant
on a dreadful.crime & its effects.

I.agree victims do need help.& info. There have been
countless examples on tv of people being made aware about
not bathing/showering after a rape - going back several
years.But it does need repeating together with info
about where other help is available. Even if rapist is
jailed there are many mental.& physical health
problems that can continue for the victim.

EE has been more concerned about Dean than
Linda throughout and I think that brings some
professional judgements into question.
You cant get valid info over to the public/victims
when the main agenda is rehabiliating the rapist

Info.could have been given in the early stages
even before a decision about arrest was made.
I dont believe that most residents of the Square
would have behaved as they did if the story had been
written a year or two.earlier.

The story when first mooted was generally
received postively as an opportunity to.encourage
Victims to come forward . In view of the many
well-published "historical " cases.

I dont think at that stage it was expected that
automatic arrest & conviction would follow
shortly. There would have been ample
time to give info & help.
Disillusion set in - when the story went on&
on without resolution and with too much favourable
attention to.the rapist.

We were promised justice but not the legal kind
But so far none of any kind. And now another
story spotlighting the rapist.
You comment that it is part of soaps remit
raise awareness and I would agree generally.
But Im afraid that usually they concentrate
on the info that suits their storyline rather
whole picture which can lead to misinformation
& foster prejudice.

So a good oppotunity wasted or misused.!!

[maidmarian]

True but I've read a lot of news articles where the rapist was a family member - if they get away with it - isn't it good to receive help and information about what you can do and what is available to you?

Aren't storylines these soaps do suppose to help raise awareness and provide information to all kinds of victims in all scenarios of crimes.

Why shouldn't soaps provide information and help to people who tried to get legal justice and couldn't.



I get why you want Dean jailed to be shown badly - to encourage victims to come forward and to feel that justice can be served and that showing it doesn't wouldn't help. I understand. But what do you have in mind when situations like that don't happen... It is important to encourage victims to seek justice but what then if the victim doesn't get justice? Do you just end the help there or avoid covering more realistic scenarios? Soaps have a duty when covering these crimes to provide help to everyone in all situations - to try make a difference and help everyone.

I'd imagine if a rape victim saw this ideal situation - so then decided to go to the police but only to find its too late, that they left it too long. What happens to these people? In John-Paul's case on Hollyoaks - he was told if had a bath/shower they'd have no evidence - meaning if the victim waited just even a day after the event - it isn't looking good? So for a victim at home watching this - it might be too late for DNA evidence angle. What happens to them? EE need to show the type of help they can get, professional help was shown very little in EE which is a mark down from me, but what was shown that Linda has the support of those closet to her, and we can all agree Linda is on her way to who she was before.

Please reply to this post with this question answered, if Dean was arrested immediately, where is the help for the other victims?

Well.Dean not being arrested immediately hasn't
provided help for victims either.You do.say that
EE didnt give much info- so thats not a dig.I do
accept you are trying to put a positive slant
on a dreadful.crime & its effects.

I.agree victims do need help.& info. There have been
countless examples on tv of people being made aware about
not bathing/showering after a rape - going back several
years.But it does need repeating together with info
about where other help is available. Even if rapist is
jailed there are many mental.& physical health
problems that can continue for the victim.

EE has been more concerned about Dean than
Linda throughout and I think that brings some
professional judgements into question.
You cant get valid info over to the public/victims
when the main agenda is rehabiliating the rapist

Info.could have been given in the early stages
even before a decision about arrest was made.
I dont believe that most residents of the Square
would have behaved as they did if the story had been
written a year or two.earlier.

The story when first mooted was generally
received postively as an opportunity to.encourage
Victims to come forward . In view of the many
well-published "historical " cases.

I dont think at that stage it was expected that
automatic arrest & conviction would follow
shortly. There would have been ample
time to give info & help.
Disillusion set in - when the story went on&
on without resolution and with too much favourable
attention to.the rapist.

We were promised justice but not the legal kind
But so far none of any kind. And now another
story spotlighting the rapist.
You comment that it is part of soaps remit
raise awareness and I would agree generally.
But Im afraid that usually they concentrate
on the info that suits their storyline rather
whole picture which can lead to misinformation
& foster prejudice.

So a good oppotunity wasted or misused.!!

[lizann]

sure whats a bit of rape between families, that is the attitude im getting from dtc and matt

where has dean suffered exactly, he has his business, his family and now a kid

linda is the one suffering

[parkerman]

I can feel a letter to the Radio Times coming on......

[lizann]

dean really being punished bed hopping with roxy

[tammyy2j]

dean really being punished bed hopping with roxy

I was going to suggest he spiked her drink but she was drinking a far amount and in bed she seemed really into him pardon the pun

[Perdita]

I was going to suggest he spiked her drink but she was drinking a far amount and in bed she seemed really into him pardon the pun