week 49

[Lizzie Brookes]

He was in a mental hospital for a few weeks but then got discharged. It has helped somewhat as he is no longer shaking. He must have had some kind of mental breakdown or anxiety disorder and he is no longer deluded as he accepts Ian is not respobsible for Cindy dying in pison. He is not fully better but I don't think he is deranged. He's in an excitable/emotional condition yes but I don't believe he would hurt Stacey. I think this will be a bit like the gun scene. He said it wasn't for Ian and when Jane goaded hiom to say it was for him hev thought ghe might as well turn it on himself and it went off accidentally in the struggle. I think he did that perhaps because he was a bit desperate and didn't really know what he was doing. I don't believe he would ever become violent or hurt anyone intentionally ever - messed up or not. He just wouldn't. He probably got wound up when Stacey didn't take him seriously.

[Pinkbanana]

He was in a mental hospital for a few weeks but then got discharged. It has helped somewhat as he is no longer shaking. He must have had some kind of mental breakdown or anxiety disorder and he is no longer deluded as he accepts Ian is not respobsible for Cindy dying in pison. He is not fully better but I don't think he is deranged. He's in an excitable/emotional condition yes but I don't believe he would hurt Stacey. I think this will be a bit like the gun scene. He said it wasn't for Ian and when Jane goaded hiom to say it was for him hev thought ghe might as well turn it on himself and it went off accidentally in the struggle. I think he did that perhaps because he was a bit desperate and didn't really know what he was doing. I don't believe he would ever become violent or hurt anyone intentionally ever - messed up or not. He just wouldn't. He probably got wound up when Stacey didn't take him seriously.

Honestly Lizzie, Jane 'goaded' him, then in another post you put Jane should have noticed he was unstable (or something) - I think your fixation for him clouds your judgement - HE is responsible for his own behaviour, not other people. You seem to be more critical of other people's behaviour, Ian's and Jane's, yet soooo accepting of Steven's.

Also how can you be so sure he wouldnt hurt anyone?! The guy is such a loose canon, he is probably capable of anything....

[Lizzie Brookes]

Nigel, You misunderstand. I was talking about two different episodes.

Jane goaded him on the 12th of October when the gun fell out of his pocket. She did not know that Lucy gave himCraig's gun and mum and I are both in agreement that it was very noble of Steven not to betray Lucy on Monday when Jane was demanding to know about the gun. If you remember Jane said "That was for Ian was it? Was that the idea? Oh do us all a favour and tell us it was for you. Give us some good news at last" - if that isn't goading what is it?

I was refering to October 5th when he kissed her - that was when I was surprised that Jane didn't reaise he was a disturbed young man.

I am not accepting of Steven's behaviour. It was wrongand however suicidal he feels it is still wrong to break into the garage or stop Stacey leaving. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them. Ian thought that Steven wanted to keep Lucy locked uup but he didn't. He only brought her there to stop Ian attacking him. He is close to her and wouldn't hurt her for the world. The same applies to Pete and some extent Pat. Even Jane - the gunshot was accidental, he never once pointedthe gun at any of them. He never once did anything violent like lunging at someone to hit them or something. Observing the way he is I can't help trusting that he would never be aggressive, messed up or not. I respect your view but that's my view.

[Siobhan]

. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them.

Just cause he loves Lucy and peter does not make him non evil or mental... do you have empathy for people in real life who kill their kids and then themselves just cause they loved them so much?
I know Steven hasn't killed anyone but it is far far too unstable and he has come close to killing Stacy and himself (twice, once with the gun, once in the garage).. He is mental unstable and need help but he is refusing it

[Joanne]

That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.

He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?

[Perdita]

That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.

He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?

Mental illness shows itself in all kind of manners, it does not mean that he does not love his siblings. I just find it strange that nobody has questioned whether he really is psychologically ok again or not, I hope they do now.

[Lizzie Brookes]

That night in the flat when Steven shot Jane, that bullet could have ended up anywhere. He could just have easily have shot Lucy. He did put her in danger by taking her to the flat in the first place, by taking the gun with him and by getting the gun out.

He also totally messed with her head by pretending to be Cindy. Is that brotherly love?

Mental illness shows itself in all kind of manners, it does not mean that he does not love his siblings. I just find it strange that nobody has questioned whether he really is psychologically ok again or not, I hope they do now.

Thanks Cupid - I was just about to say that. He only took Lucy there because he wanted to stop Ian attacking him. He put the gun down awhen Ian pointed out he was scaring Lucy. Out of everyone he could have confessedto/confided in he choseLucy as he is close to her.

Stacey and Bradley probably will. Bradley told Jean "He has lost it. Stumbling through the square, drinking vodka. I told him about thestall but I don't know how much went in. I don't know where that boy's head is but it is definitely not on this planet." Stacey will because she saw what he was about to do and herself made the decision to stop him though she put herself at risk.

[Lizzie Brookes]

. I can't condone that. Yet I can't help having sympathy and empathy for him. Judging by the way he is with his haf brother and sister I do not believe he is evil. He loves them.

Just cause he loves Lucy and peter does not make him non evil or mental... do you have empathy for people in real life who kill their kids and then themselves just cause they loved them so much?
I know Steven hasn't killed anyone but it is far far too unstable and he has come close to killing Stacy and himself (twice, once with the gun, once in the garage).. He is mental unstable and need help but he is refusing it

Not in real life no. In real life of course Steven would have been in prison but while I can understand what he is going through I can't condone his behaviour. This is a soap remember so things are exaggerated. Steven did not lure Stacey to the garage as he lured Ian to the flat. Stacey was worried about him and went there of her own free will. I know he stopped her leaving but he probably got fustrated that she thought it was a wind up. He didn't want Bradley to know where he was and since she had come he didn'rt want to be alone. When she asked him why he took her phone etc he told her she could leave and he wasn't keeping her there. He was trying to kill himself not her though luckily she talked him out of it. She's right. He needs a friend now. He needs to give family some space, act normal if meeting them in the square and stay with one or two supportive friends. He did not exactly refuse help. He admitted to Ian he was unwell resulting in him going to the clinic. The clinic discharged him. He did not refuse help, he sought it and got a bit better though not fully well but it was stupid to bin the medication that's all.

He loves his half brother and sister. When Jane asked him about the gun he did not betray Lucy which was very noble of him.

[CrazyLea]

The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.

[Lizzie Brookes]

The thing I personally find with characters in soaps is that it's very easy to care for the character, no matter what they do. There's been many a murderer that I just can't help forgive in soaps! EE have shown the aftermath with Steven aswell as with the Beales. I have sympathy for Steven too.

I wouldn't go quite that far though. In Steven's case the shooting of Jane was accidental and not really his fault as Lucy gave him the gun but I hated Stella and while I had perhaps a sliver of sympathy for May Wright she deserved o be arrested and locked up for what she did. If I were in Lucy's shoes and it had been real life I would perhaps have visited Steven in prison because family love is unconditional.