Totally unrealistic

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can see where it would drive Steven to panic and do something. I mean, he's getting on with Ian, he's part of the family now and he's seen Ian has been torn apart with Lucy going missing , running away. Ian has been ill with worry, what would he do if he suddenly found out that Steven has hidden her away all this time. He would go mental, and steven would be out of the family.

I can see where , 1 struggling with his sexuality and totally paranoid that Ian and the rest of the family will at some point find out about him and Christian, Ian would go nuts. 2 And then fling in to the mix that Steven has been hidden Lucy all this time. In that state I could see him try and shut Pat up.

I agree with that. Also though it says "evil" Steven on most magazines I don't think he is "evil". "Evil" is when someone intentionally does wicked things in the right frame of mind and we know Steven has a mental illness that comes in episodes. Only the tablets keep it at bay and he threw them away.

[Siobhan]

I can see where it would drive Steven to panic and do something. I mean, he's getting on with Ian, he's part of the family now and he's seen Ian has been torn apart with Lucy going missing , running away. Ian has been ill with worry, what would he do if he suddenly found out that Steven has hidden her away all this time. He would go mental, and steven would be out of the family.

I can see where , 1 struggling with his sexuality and totally paranoid that Ian and the rest of the family will at some point find out about him and Christian, Ian would go nuts. 2 And then fling in to the mix that Steven has been hidden Lucy all this time. In that state I could see him try and shut Pat up.

I agree with that. Also though it says "evil" Steven on most magazines I don't think he is "evil". "Evil" is when someone intentionally does wicked things in the right frame of mind and we know Steven has a mental illness that comes in episodes. Only the tablets keep it at bay and he threw them away.

but you think Stella is evil and she certainly wasn't in the right frame of mind either...

[Lizzie Brookes]

I can see where it would drive Steven to panic and do something. I mean, he's getting on with Ian, he's part of the family now and he's seen Ian has been torn apart with Lucy going missing , running away. Ian has been ill with worry, what would he do if he suddenly found out that Steven has hidden her away all this time. He would go mental, and steven would be out of the family.

I can see where , 1 struggling with his sexuality and totally paranoid that Ian and the rest of the family will at some point find out about him and Christian, Ian would go nuts. 2 And then fling in to the mix that Steven has been hidden Lucy all this time. In that state I could see him try and shut Pat up.

I agree with that. Also though it says "evil" Steven on most magazines I don't think he is "evil". "Evil" is when someone intentionally does wicked things in the right frame of mind and we know Steven has a mental illness that comes in episodes. Only the tablets keep it at bay and he threw them away.

but you think Stella is evil and she certainly wasn't in the right frame of mind either...

Maybe not but just as in real life you get on better with some people than others you warm to some charecters more than others on EastEnders. It is hard for me to be sorry for Stella because she did abuse a child but I suppose I have a sliver of sympathy but very slight. In Steven's case I have more empathy with him so I'm more in sympathy with him. Sean - sometimes (like yesterday) I am sorry for him but not when he bullies Gus or anything like that. As for May - wel I'm not too fond of Dawn so I'm more likely to side with May though it was right she wa arrested for what she did.

We will always disagree on Steven Sihoban - that's the way it is but that doesn't matte. Different people have different views. We cant all agree on everything.

[Siobhan]

Maybe not but just as in real life you get on better with some people than others you warm to some charecters more than others on EastEnders. It is hard for me to be sorry for Stella because she did abuse a child but I suppose I have a sliver of sympathy but very slight. In Steven's case I have more empathy with him so I'm more in sympathy with him. Sean - sometimes (like yesterday) I am sorry for him but not when he bullies Gus or anything like that. As for May - wel I'm not too fond of Dawn so I'm more likely to side with May though it was right she wa arrested for what she did.

We will always disagree on Steven Sihoban - that's the way it is but that doesn't matte. Different people have different views. We cant all agree on everything.

yeah we will probably always disagree on Steven (don't mean I hate either you or him, it is nice to debate)...

In regards to Stella/Steven/Sean.. does it matter what age the victim is?? Ok Stella abused a child but she herself was subjected to that and I actually felt sorry for her at one stage when the mitchells and the dress maker was making very very nasty comments to her. Doesn't mean I sympathise with her or not blame her for her actions

I don't feel sorry for Steven.. he was given help and rejected it. He is subjecting his DAD (not a stranger, remember stella has no ties with ben) to most horrific of things, thinking his dead wife was still alive and now that his daughter could be anywhere (you see where he went last night, you also know he had to go view a dead body)

I am not saying Stella/May/Steven/Sean are right in anything they subject their victims too...

[Lizzie Brookes]

The age shouldn't matter I suppose but I think it does make a difference. I mean a young child of about 11 couldn't defend themselves in the same way as a teenager or a grown man/woman could. With Stella - yes the dressmaker was horrible but wasn't Peggy nice to her until the very end? We all meet people who are not very nice from time to time but we do not abuse children. The age partly affects it because it makes me rate Stella as the worst. As for Steven - Did he reject help? He did some terrible things - stalking and kidnapping Ian but I rewatched that episode and Steven was pointing the gun to his own head. If the other three had not paniced and grabbed it, the gun would not have gone off.

I think the shooting was completely accidental. Also - Steven himself admitted to Ian in the car that he thought he was unwell because he could not eat or sleep and things made sense one minute but not the next. Why say that if he didn't want help? He got sectioned but obviously could not tell the clinic about the stalking/kidnapping/shooting which is why probably they let him go early - not to mention that the audience highly rated both Steven and Aaron at the time, meaning that though scheduled to return in 2 months he came back in 3 weeks which is pretty unrealistic. It is his fault he binned the medication I have to admit.

I think Steven's illness comes in episodes though. It wasn't some master plan to pretend to be better to regain trust. Even if a person can lie to counsellors they can't fight the effects of medication. Also - when he attempted suicide ghe was alone in the garage. He had not expected Stacey to follow him. When he offered to leave Walford after hearing the full extent of what happened to Jane, we saw him pack a bag and leave - if it was some master plan why do that? Also he never thought Stacey would tell ian what he tried to do. I think between November and January he was all right but then his illness came back and because he binned his meds he could not keep it at bay.

He only rejected help in the sense that he threw away the medication and should not have. I know he discharged himself but the clinic said he was ready to leave and as he is n longer shaking it must have had some benefit. I read in Inside Soap that he is not a psychopath - just mentally unstable. He seems to have let Cindy go anyway and doesn't seem to hate Ian. From the sound of it he wants Ian to himself which is the reason he is hiding Lucy but that doesn't make sense to me because he doesn't seem to object to Peter being around. As for Sean, he needs help quickly because Steven had some help and Sean's had none. Yet Sean truly loved Tanya and definitely loves his sister Stacey.

In May's case, well Dawn did angle for Rob didn't she. Fair enough she had no idea he got back with his wife and split with him when she found out but she did mess around - using his money on clothes instead of having an abortion, keeping the baby to win him back instead of finding another boyfriend, agreeing to surrogacy and then changing her mind. Pretty stupid behaviour. She could have said "No I will not surrogate" or she could have spent the money Rob gave her on the abortion. She was a grown woman which makes me less sorry for her than Ben and also I can't help liking May. May and Steven are two of my favourites. She didn't need to start up the affair with Rob a second time even if Rob advanced - she could have said "No not interested. You stay with your wife" - then all this wouldn't have happened.

[Siobhan]

Lizzie.. I can't help but think there is a degree of "master plan".. He is holding Lucy, there is thinking required in that... He is getting rid of the person who knows about this.. there is thinking in that..
May thought carefully how to get the baby from Dawn, Sean thought about the whole "make it look like suidcide".. You can't say he doesn't know what he is doing..he is controlling all this.. even in his state.

[Lizzie Brookes]

Lizzie.. I can't help but think there is a degree of "master plan".. He is holding Lucy, there is thinking required in that... He is getting rid of the person who knows about this.. there is thinking in that..
May thought carefully how to get the baby from Dawn, Sean thought about the whole "make it look like suidcide".. You can't say he doesn't know what he is doing..he is controlling all this.. even in his state.

At the moment yes I agree with that. I agree that since he got ill again yes Steven has some kind of "master plan" and yes May and Sean planned too. But, what I am saying is that I think it was only after he moved back in with the Beales that he planned this. Before January like I said there was no plan. He was better.

[Siobhan]

Lizzie.. I can't help but think there is a degree of "master plan".. He is holding Lucy, there is thinking required in that... He is getting rid of the person who knows about this.. there is thinking in that..
May thought carefully how to get the baby from Dawn, Sean thought about the whole "make it look like suidcide".. You can't say he doesn't know what he is doing..he is controlling all this.. even in his state.

At the moment yes I agree with that. I agree that since he got ill again yes Steven has some kind of "master plan" and yes May and Sean planned too. But, what I am saying is that I think it was only after he moved back in with the Beales that he planned this. Before January like I said there was no plan. He was better.

I don't know... I said from the start.. he is a minipulator.. he knew what he was doing... Hold a gun to his head, nobody is going to allow him to kill himself.. setting himself on fire, how do you know he didn't expect stacey to follow, he should have gone somewhere more private... Packing his bags and leaving after he heard what happened to Jane, again another bluff... Sorry I know you like him but I think he has this planned all along.. and now with the Christian (he came on to me), he is going to pit Jane against Ian... he wants Ian for himself and nothing or nobody is going to stop him

[Lizzie Brookes]

I agree with the bit about Christian but not with the rest of what you are saying. You'll be saying next he faked all that shaking in the car. I think that is going a bit too far. I think it was only planned from the time that he moved back in with the Beales maybe or from the time he witnessed Ian slapping Lucy. I still can't hate him though. As he is leaving alive they may find some way to write him back in, in the future. And, like I said if he wants Ian to himself why does he not object to Peter being around? You make him sound like a male Janine. We must agree to differ on Steven to some extent.

[Siobhan]

And, like I said if he wants Ian to himself why does he not object to Peter being around? You make him sound like a male Janine. We must agree to differ on Steven to some extent.

He is kinda a male Janine... Who know if getting rid of Bobby and Peter wasn't his next steps