i heard on the radio this morning that 53% of people thought that there should be a nation wide curfew of 9pm for all 10 - 16yr olds. do you agree with this? do you think it would stop so many teenage deaths?
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i heard on the radio this morning that 53% of people thought that there should be a nation wide curfew of 9pm for all 10 - 16yr olds. do you agree with this? do you think it would stop so many teenage deaths?
If it is brought I'd say extend the age to 18.. I don't really mind tbh, if it saves lives then why not but it's really unfair to those who do nothing and follow rules and don't cause any trouble!
Hmm I don't know. See, there would always be some way that these kids would worm around it or they jsut simply wouldn't abide.
Anyways... should the nation really be responsible for curfews?? After all shouldn't the parents be authoritive and get their kids into a routine from an early age and provide reasonable curfews?? I don't know :/
I agree Kirsty. It's up to the parents to bring their children into line and set their own curfew. I don't think its right for people to dictate to parents how they should raise their children.
How many teenagers are really going to think, "right, it's nearly 9pm so I have to go home"? This idea will just add more stress and work to the police having to pick kids up and take them home after the curfew.
I don't see how it would reduce deaths, kids are still going to carry weapons. Just because they're not on the streets after 9pm doesn't mean they will stop knifing or shooting each other.
the problem is the parents are no longer doing the job theyre supposed to, there is no discipline and they are too busy trying to be their teenagers best friend instead of the adult they should be. its not just getting them off the streets because of the weapons it should also be because of the huge numbers on streets and in parks drinking heavily while their parents are apparently oblivious to all this. im all for a curfew myself and i myself have a teenager. she doesnt go out roaming the streets till all hours. in our road some of the little kids are out in the street on a school night at 9.30 playing football, and the road is a really busy one, no one seems to come out from their houses to even check on them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Abigail
I completely agree that parent's are trying to be the best friend insted of the parents these days Pookie.. which is why I think maybe there should be funding into parenting groups and classes for parents, where they can meet other parents and pick up on new tips on how to be authroitive but still able to have a sterdy relationship with their kids.
But as Abigail said about kids still carrying weapons and not reducing deaths... I agree with that too. These days kids are killing/being killed in broad daylight. I jsut don;t think a curfew would work. If kids won't listen to parents who are they going to listen too? It's all getting so difficult and there's no way adults.. or the good kids in this can win :/ Thats just my opinion though.. I think everyone has valid points in this.. it's jsut getting the Government/parents..whoever, to merge all these points into one.
I think they should set curfews for the kids who need them, the troublemakers. Why should I have to come home early just because of the actions of other people?
Surely the parents are to blame for letting their kids out until stupid times, and letting them hang out on the street. Problem is, most parents won't let their children bring groups of people back to their houses, so what do they expect? Parents are responsible for their childrens actions until they are 18 years old, but a lot of parents seem to forget that. Stop blaming the kids for being out, and carrying knives, blame the parents who should be stopping them.
I agree, I think its just silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirsty :]
And I know this may not sound related, but I used to go to the cinema with my friends and we were in big groups and the cinema times used to quite late so by the time we got out ie. past 9pm and then would get the bus home or whatever. As our parents knew they could trust us.
It is the parents who should be responsible for setting curfews but as we know there are ones who don't give a monkey where their children are or what time they decide to come home at. If the police have to escort children and teenagers home after the curfew then the parents should be fined for everytime they will soon start acting responible when it starts hitting their purse. Where I live there are a number of younger kids out to all times and my daughter grumbles because she is in bed on school nights at 9pm. The family that lives upstairs from has 3 kids and she can be out with her kids until after 11 on a sunday night then they start thumping around the house.
Parenting classes won't do any good as you aren't allowed to shout or raise your voice to a child anymore (my friend went to one and was told she wasn't allowed to use negative terms, like naughty etc, as it would give her 3 year old a complex!!)
it's a hard one to call and no easy answers really
but kids under 16 should be at home studying or getting early nights for school, not faffing around on the streets at that time of night
then again why should there be a curfew? it's not fair on those that do behave themselves. parents should be looking after their kids and knowing where their children are and what they're getting up to. and there should be more police patrolling the streets to move on gangs of yobs, and to stop any violent incidents
all in all, this country has gone to the dogs
that makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
im not really sure if there should be a curfew or not, cos 1) im not even sure it would help, and 2) it would be unfair on the kids who dont do anything wrong and they would probably be the only ones who stuck by it anyway
i think though some parents need to be told what their kids can and cant do cos they arent responsible enough to do it themselves. if parents were bringing up their children properly in the first place then not as many kids would be roaming the streets and knifing peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Abigail
exactly, parents should be responsible for it but as they dont care other people need to decide what kids should be doing instead. i like your idea on fining the parents. i think if there was a curfew it would only work if the police patrolled the streets and took kids home if they were outQuote:
Originally Posted by Chloe O'brien
i think that is part of the reason why there are so many problem kids around now. not only do loads of parents dont care what there kids are doing, a large amount of the ones that do care dont give their kids any discipline so the kids think they can do what they want and get away with it. if the government want to tackle the problem, i think not only do they need to stop kids being on the streets or whatever, they also need to allow parents to punish their children again when they do things wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
with rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
Tell me about it. Needless to say, my friend is having awful problems with her daughter (and she's only 4!) Her 6 yr old son isn't much better and there seem to be no boundaries, nor any respect. Funniest thing, is when I get face to face with her daughter and speak to her about it, she's all apologetic about what's shes done and behaves for a few days after, cos of the threat of me sorting her out (not sure whether thats a good thing or bad :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhanthat makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
You are spot on there Di M - plus, it doesn't matter what the police say or do to some of these children, because they don't care or have any respect, they just return to exactly the same spot 5 mins later, or, as you said, I've known of one to be stabbed with a broken bottle in the stomach. Luckily he had his stab vest on, but I remember when they didn't need to wear such defensive items. I remember when I used to freeze to the spot when I saw a police officer, and still do now!Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcowith rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
that sounds exactly like my little cousin. shes 8 and my auntie lets her do what she likes, when shes naughty my auntie just says "dont do that, its not nice" in a really nice voice to her! :rolleyes: shes always good for me and my sis and my mum though, cos my mum tells her off like she used to with us, if shes naughty she shouts at her. she managed to spend a weekend with me and my sis down at my house at uni over easter and she was quite well behaved. the few times she was naughty i just told her off or ignored her and it worked. she moaned about walking somewhere so i told her if she didnt speed up id leave her behind and started to walk off, she soon caught up! and i told her she didnt need sugar on her cereal and that i didnt have any (i actually didnt) and she ate it. and she ate her fruit too cos i told her she couldnt have icecream if she didnt. at home she would have carried on misbehaving and my auntie would have given in and let her have her own way. luckily she isnt as naughty as some kids i know, and its not often that she hits/kicks people, but if she was a really horrible kid i could see her turning into one of these yobs cos my auntie doesnt teach her how to behave, and im guessing thats how all these other kids have been brought up tooQuote:
Originally Posted by JojoTell me about it. Needless to say, my friend is having awful problems with her daughter (and she's only 4!) Her 6 yr old son isn't much better and there seem to be no boundaries, nor any respect. Funniest thing, is when I get face to face with her daughter and speak to her about it, she's all apologetic about what's shes done and behaves for a few days after, cos of the threat of me sorting her out (not sure whether thats a good thing or bad :lol: )Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhanthat makes me laugh cause a very successfull Jo Frost our very own supernanny does say NO and Can't and she had been doing this for 20 years or more...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
its sad really, cos as a policeman you shouldnt be scared of doing your job incase some kids decide they wanna stab you for telling them to stop hanging around/drinking etc. but as you say nowadays these kids dont care or repsect anyone else. when my mum was younger her and her friends were taken home in a police car for chalking on a wall! my mum was terrified cos she knew she would be in trouble, and she said she never did it again! and that was only chalking on a wall! i know its vandalism but it was only chalk, nowadays kids do far worse and if they were taken home in a police car/got cautioned etc i doubt it would stop them doing it againQuote:
Originally Posted by JojoYou are spot on there Di M - plus, it doesn't matter what the police say or do to some of these children, because they don't care or have any respect, they just return to exactly the same spot 5 mins later, or, as you said, I've known of one to be stabbed with a broken bottle in the stomach. Luckily he had his stab vest on, but I remember when they didn't need to wear such defensive items. I remember when I used to freeze to the spot when I saw a police officer, and still do now!Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcowith rules/laws like this though, its always the good kids which miss out/get punished and the bad kids always seem to get away with it anyway. the only thing about police patrolling the streets and moving yobs on is that if the gang have a knife which is probable as thats where all the trouble is coming from, then police telling the kids isnt really going to help, its more likely that the policeman will get stabbed for confronting them. i dont think theres any way to win reallyQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan
maybe it is a generations thing but I would never have been rude to a policeman ever. They were to be respected.. I feel a lot of kids today have a "don't tell me what to do" attitude and have a lot more rights then We did... You can't smack a child anymore, can't say NO to them.. basically they can do what they want cause the law is fully on their side.
Maybe I am stricter on my kids but Charley is in bed at 8'o clock on a school night and 9 at weekends.. she complains that her friends stay up way later but I don't give in
when i have kids im gonna bring them up how i was brought up, it never did me any harm to be smacked, not allowed to watch the tv, have toys taken away, be sent to my room etc. i think the law has gone too far with the whole not being allowed to smack kids and people being told theyre not allowed to tell their kids off when theyre naughty. i think its only really got this bad in the last about 10 - 15yrs and i think thats the reason kids today act how they doQuote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
Erm, WTF? What is this country coming to? The parents should be responsible for their children's behaviour. It couldn't even be enforced, without introducing ID cards and stuff, even then they can be faked. If people want to commit crimes, they will. Whether it's at night or inthe day it's still going to happen!
I can understand why this is being said and thought about and in theory yeah its great all the kids in at 9 Pm no more trouble, in reality its ridiculasm, how is it going to be put in order. If anything it will react against them and the kids will see it as a challenge to stay out. The country goes on about the youth of today, i went to a reunion concert with my band a couple of weeks ago and all the kids there, like me when i was ten would reherse on a saturday morning and give up other free time to play. When is that ever mentioned, the good done by kids its all negative negative negative.
I used to be in a show with the guides, out rehersals were 730 to 9 45, i used to go to guides and then run the guide pack finishing at 9 15, I sailed till gone 9 nearly 10 in the summer, would all these be classed as breaking the curfew, what harm are those youths of the day doing.
If you ask me the british government at the minute have not gome out with one decent suggestion everything in recent weeks have been laughable. I think the'yd struggle running a bath never mind a country.
Rant over, i do apologise!
Also, a lot of the murders took place during the day, not at night time. A curfew would just move ALL stabbings to daytime hours. :(
See I'm like you Shiv I fI got into trouble as a teenager and a neighbour or police reported me to my mum I got a sore ass for it. As for Marley she is in bed at 9 and she is the same moaning about half the neighbourhood still wandering around. My answer is I'm not half the neighbourhood's mother. I have been mocked for not giving Marley a dummy as a child, or fizzy juice but my motto is I don't believe in giving a child some thing you are going to take away. when we go shopping I have no problems in Marley shoving fizzy pop or bags of sweets into the trolley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
Marley goes to Judo each week at the moment she is 9 and is in the early class,which finishes at 8pm the teenagers class finish at 9 and those who attend go straight home. In the younger class either parents stay in the community centre like I do or come back and collect them. The young people who are running riot are the ones who's parents are not giving a dam about. As long as they are not annoying them they don't give a toss.Quote:
Originally Posted by Katy