Should crime pay in EE?

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10-09-2005, 13:23
parkerman

Should crime pay in EE?

Although some people on here (myself included!) would like to see Chrissie get away with murder (literally) the script is being written in such a way that we are made to think it is wrong for her to get away with it and that she ought to pay for her crime. Crime doesn't pay and all that!

Now, what about Dennis and Jack Dalton or Johnny Allen and Jake and Andy Hunter. Should they be allowed to get away with their crimes?

Yes :thumbsup: or no :thumbsdow ?

Mind you, I prefer Jack Dalton as Peter Baxter anyway! :)
10-09-2005, 13:58
xXxJessxXx

It is a very good point. i'd life to see Chrissie go down for murder but then aagin i wouldnt want Dennis to go to jail for murdering dalton. Maybe beacsue i like his hcaracter a whole lot more than Chrissie's.

But if oen goes down then i think its nly fair they all do. i'd love to see Jonny go down for killing Andy. I dont like Jonny one bit! I think everyone who commits a crime should go down for it.

but i does depend on the circumstances which my opinion is based. Like i would have wanted chrissie to get away wiht it if she hadnt told all these lies and framed sam and being all chummy with sharon etc as after all it was self defence wasnt it! but's she's been playing on it too much. and denis i think his was self defence werent it so it lets him off a bit.

I think Dennis and Chrissie are already paying for their crimes. not nesarceraly (cant spell) by going to jail but chrissie has been scared by the police and everyone around her who knows the truth, Dennis has been haunted by his past as he was saying to sharon months ago when she first found out. i think they are paying already for what they've done. so i'm not sure what i think... weather they should go down or not. i want chrissie to but then its not fair saying she should pay but no one else! :hmm:
10-09-2005, 14:12
alan45

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Although some people on here (myself included!) would like to see Chrissie get away with murder (literally) the script is being written in such a way that we are made to think it is wrong for her to get away with it and that she ought to pay for her crime. Crime doesn't pay and all that!

Now, what about Dennis and Jack Dalton or Johnny Allen and Jake and Andy Hunter. Should they be allowed to get away with their crimes?

Yes :thumbsup: or no :thumbsdow ?

Mind you, I prefer Jack Dalton as Peter Baxter anyway! :)

And it seems that phil is going to get away with his crimes
10-09-2005, 14:24
Katy

in ee they all get away with murder literally.
10-09-2005, 14:36
.:Kitz:.

true, ee seems to have one set of rules for one character and differnt one's for another. lol, its confusing!! :D
10-09-2005, 14:38
alkalinetrio

you on about dennis killing jack dalton murder being self defence? to jess
10-09-2005, 14:52
littlemo

I definetely think it depends on the circumstances, and why they committed the crime in the first place. And if you are made to feel empathy for the characters, you can't help but want them to get away with it.

You can't really call Dennis murdering Dalton self defence because it was in cold blood, but much like Sharon I can understand why he did it. Dalton was an evil man, who nobody cared about, he had supposedly killed his dad (Den), and Phil had been sent to kill Dennis for Dalton. If he hadn't of killed him he could have been dead himself by the morning, and I suppose that is self defence in a way. But the police wouldn't see it in that way. But his character was 'so called' justified in doing what he did, which is why he was allowed to get off with his crime.

I don't like Chrissie's character, but I agree that if she hadn't manipulated Zoe, Sam and now Sharon and the rest of the square, she may have been seen in a different light entirely.

A wife striking out at a cheating husband, it would go down well in jail! lol. Maybe she could be used in the next production of Chicago! EE style.
10-09-2005, 14:57
xXxJessxXx

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Originally Posted by alkalinetrio

you on about dennis killing jack dalton murder being self defence? to jess

Yeah... beacsue Dalton was going to get Phil to kill Dennis, so Dennis had to kill Dalton to survive and thats what self defence was. Dalton didnt have a good reason for wanting dennis dead but dennis did... because he would have died him self otherwise. ok it wasnt direct self defence, dalton wasnt beating him up or strangling him or anything but its the same thing really.
10-09-2005, 15:03
angelblue

The difference between chrissie and dennis is the fact that chrissie is becoming evil in the way she manipulating everyone and not showing any remorse and swanning an around like butter wouldnt melt

:)
10-09-2005, 15:08
littlemo

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Originally Posted by angelblue

The difference between chrissie and dennis is the fact that chrissie is becoming evil in the way she manipulating everyone and not showing any remorse and swanning an around like butter wouldnt melt

:)

Yes that's true and Dalton was an outsider. EE is all about families sticking together, and trusting one another. Remember the EE motto 'look out for your own'. I don't like Chrissie's manipulating ways, the very fact that she is using Dennis and Sharon for her own personal gain is horrible. She doesn't have a heart.
10-09-2005, 15:13
angelblue

I always liked chrissie character but i dont like the fact she is using their grief to manipulate them for her own personal use she making out she cares and on some level i truly think she does care but i think it past that stage she is just trying to survive :D
10-09-2005, 15:18
alan45

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Originally Posted by xXxJessxXx

Yeah... beacsue Dalton was going to get Phil to kill Dennis, so Dennis had to kill Dalton to survive and thats what self defence was. .

It was still pre-meditated murder what way you look at it not what spin is put on it
10-09-2005, 15:39
Abi

It makes it really unrealistic when they all get away with it. Thats my opinion anyways
10-09-2005, 15:56
xXxJessxXx

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Originally Posted by angelblue

The difference between chrissie and dennis is the fact that chrissie is becoming evil in the way she manipulating everyone and not showing any remorse and swanning an around like butter wouldnt melt

:)

exactly, thats what i hate about her. thats what makes me think she should go down for it. where as dennis was genually messed up bout killing dalton he was genuinaly worried, scared and felt a bit of guilt i think. All chrissie is worried about is bedding Jake, getting away form the vic wiht her money and leaving it all behind. she doesnt care about den or anyone who did.
10-09-2005, 15:58
xXxJessxXx

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Originally Posted by Abi

It makes it really unrealistic when they all get away with it. Thats my opinion anyways

i agree. i mean the dalton thing, he had a hole in his head, someone had to of shot him (Unless it was suicide) but you dont just let it go, you'd investigate it a lot further than they did. the same wiht andy. could have been self defence but they should have taken it more seriously in case he was murdered (Which we know he was ) in case the killer is still out there killing more people. its not right...
10-09-2005, 15:59
angelblue

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Originally Posted by xXxJessxXx

exactly, thats what i hate about her. thats what makes me think she should go down for it. where as dennis was genually messed up bout killing dalton he was genuinaly worried, scared and felt a bit of guilt i think. All chrissie is worried about is bedding Jake, getting away form the vic wiht her money and leaving it all behind. she doesnt care about den or anyone who did.

exactly but i still like her character :)
10-09-2005, 17:00
callummc

chrissy and johnny should pay for their crimes,so should dennis but in a lesser degree cos he really had no choice,but to make ee more realistic at least 2 of the criminals should get their cummupance,we all hear of murders in real life going unsolved,but not 4 out of 1 small community,dalton,paul,andy and den,all unsolved-totaly unrealistic
10-09-2005, 20:56
littlemo

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Originally Posted by xXxJessxXx

i agree. i mean the dalton thing, he had a hole in his head, someone had to of shot him (Unless it was suicide) but you dont just let it go, you'd investigate it a lot further than they did. the same wiht andy. could have been self defence but they should have taken it more seriously in case he was murdered (Which we know he was ) in case the killer is still out there killing more people. its not right...

Yes it's true that the police seemed to forget Dalton's murder quite quickly, but I'm sure if new evidence comes to light they would reopen the case.

I'm not very experienced with the underworld but I get the impression that when a gangland killing takes place they don't put as much effort into getting the criminal than if it was just a person off the street. I think the impression is that if they lived that kind of life, they were asking for it.
10-09-2005, 21:32
xXxJessxXx

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Originally Posted by littlemo

Yes it's true that the police seemed to forget Dalton's murder quite quickly, but I'm sure if new evidence comes to light they would reopen the case.

I'm not very experienced with the underworld but I get the impression that when a gangland killing takes place they don't put as much effort into getting the criminal than if it was just a person off the street. I think the impression is that if they lived that kind of life, they were asking for it.

yeah i think you might be right there. i think it all comes down to the situation as to how much detail they go into. like i know this is off the topic but when i was watching that casualty @ holby the other week about organ doners it got me and my mum talking that say if there were two people in an accident and one was a doner and the other werent they would try harder to save the none doner than the doner beacuse if the doner died their organs could be used for someone else so they try less harder to save them if ya get me. a bit random but its the same wiht the police and murderers. its like if the person who has been murdered is bad they give up beacsue they desereve it. or so it seems in eastenders any way
10-09-2005, 22:27
Johnny Allen

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Originally Posted by callummc

chrissy and johnny should pay for their crimes,so should dennis but in a lesser degree cos he really had no choice,but to make ee more realistic at least 2 of the criminals should get their cummupance,we all hear of murders in real life going unsolved,but not 4 out of 1 small community,dalton,paul,andy and den,all unsolved-totaly unrealistic

Having said that Dennis did still murder someone in cold blood, it wasn't self defence he just felt he had no other option, if you ask me everyone that commits murder in the show should recieve their comeuppance.
11-09-2005, 00:07
pops110874

I think in the crazy, madcap world of ee, it seems that gansta crimes are allowed but general run of the mill killings/beatings etc are not.

lol
11-09-2005, 00:27
callummc

murders permitted but petty crime isn't
11-09-2005, 10:46
Bryan

in my opinion no-one should get away with a crime...it sends out the wrong messages to the British public...that you can do what you want, frame it on someone else, and get away with it and live a normal life.

Regardless of whether we like a character and dont wont to see them leave our screens, they must pay for their crimes.

Put it this way we all love Chrissie, but if you were in Sharon's shoes how would you feel if someone had killed your father? You'd want them to pay for their crimes.

I dont like the way that they get away with it withouyt no suspicion, jonny and chrissie have 100% got away with it! (so far) and its just wrong, and they porttray it as tough they were doing good to do it
11-09-2005, 10:54
Katy

if people in ee didnt get away wth crime the whole square would be in the nick.
11-09-2005, 11:00
BlackKat

I think they should do what the storyline demands. That's all I really care about. I think Chrissie managing to escape and Sam going down for it would be a fantastic end for both characters.* If a storyline of the murderer going to prison would be a good one, then they should do that.

Give the public a bit more credit. I really doubt that there's a mass of people out there thinking "Oh, I'll just murder my husband, put the blame onto someone else and then escape to Argentina with my new boyfriend. After all, it worked for Chrissie."

*I actually think Sam should go insane, and the last shot we see of her is her restrained to a bed screaming "It was Chrissiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeee"
11-09-2005, 14:14
hazey

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Originally Posted by cornetgal

if people in ee didnt get away wth crime the whole square would be in the nick.

how true your statement is,I think they some times they should get away with it, as lets face it,it can happen in real life, so it should happen on EE
11-09-2005, 14:34
hayley

For some reason, and i'm not sure why, i would really like chrissie to get away with Dens murder!
11-09-2005, 14:36
hayley

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Originally Posted by cornetgal

if people in ee didnt get away wth crime the whole square would be in the nick.

:rotfl: lol!
11-09-2005, 15:29
littlemo

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornetgal

if people in ee didnt get away wth crime the whole square would be in the nick.

Yes they would! lol There are very few people who haven't commited a crime in EE. Even the nicest people who you think couldn't hurt a fly like Little Mo (but I commend her, I have to say). It's something they should do for EE Revealed, Criminals, they may have done it already but I think it would be great.

Little Mo-tried to kill her husband with an iron (prison)
Kat- Assaulting a police officer (prison)
Big Mo- Fraud, all sorts (prison)
Chrissie-Killed her husband (out)
Dennis- Killed Dalton (out)
Martin- run over Jamie (prison)
Den- Arson (prison)
Phil- Robbery (prison)
Sam- falsely accused of murder (prison)
Grant- assaulting a police officer (prison)
Dot- shoplifting, she was also arrested for the possesion of Cannabis (prison)
Pat- death by drink driving (prison)
Johnny- Killied Andy (out)
Billy- All sorts of dodgy dealings with the Mitchells.
Alfie- Fraud (prison)

There are so many more. It seems not as many as we think get away with it. And I think it definetely depends on the circumstances of a crime as to whether somebody should get off with it or not.
11-09-2005, 16:04
xXxJessxXx

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Originally Posted by littlemo

It's something they should do for EE Revealed, Criminals, they may have done it already but I think it would be great.

Dennis- Killed Dalton (out)

There are so many more. It seems not as many as we think get away with it. And I think it definetely depends on the circumstances of a crime as to whether somebody should get off with it or not.

After reading that long list of names i remeber Dennis arrived in the square after coming out of prison after being there for three yeasr for GBH. Funny how he then just a couples of months after kills... Murderes Dalton and gets away with it! lol seems like it should be the other way round or he should have gone down for both! lol

Police obviouly take GBH more seriously than Murder in albert square! lol
11-09-2005, 16:32
Joanne

I definately want Chrissie to go down for murdering Den - I dislike her more and more each episode right now. If Sam goes down as well I think Zoe should too though.
11-09-2005, 16:36
Katy

i just cant believe that she would stoop so low to let sam take the blame surely she would have cracked by now.

There are quite a few murderers on the loose in albert square isnt there. Dennis, Jonny, Chrissie.

I wouldnt want to live there.
11-09-2005, 18:03
parkerman

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Originally Posted by littlemo

Yes they would! lol There are very few people who haven't commited a crime in EE. Even the nicest people who you think couldn't hurt a fly like Little Mo (but I commend her, I have to say). It's something they should do for EE Revealed, Criminals, they may have done it already but I think it would be great.

Little Mo-tried to kill her husband with an iron (prison)
Kat- Assaulting a police officer (prison)
Big Mo- Fraud, all sorts (prison)
Chrissie-Killed her husband (out)
Dennis- Killed Dalton (out)
Martin- run over Jamie (prison)
Den- Arson (prison)
Phil- Robbery (prison)
Sam- falsely accused of murder (prison)
Grant- assaulting a police officer (prison)
Dot- shoplifting, she was also arrested for the possesion of Cannabis (prison)
Pat- death by drink driving (prison)
Johnny- Killied Andy (out)
Billy- All sorts of dodgy dealings with the Mitchells.
Alfie- Fraud (prison)

There are so many more. It seems not as many as we think get away with it. And I think it definetely depends on the circumstances of a crime as to whether somebody should get off with it or not.

Poor old Arthur Fowler was one who didn't get away with it.

Janine's was probably the best though, arrested for a murder she didn't commit but not for the one she did.

What's happened to her by the way? When's her trial?
11-09-2005, 18:05
littlemo

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Originally Posted by xXxJessxXx

After reading that long list of names i remeber Dennis arrived in the square after coming out of prison after being there for three yeasr for GBH. Funny how he then just a couples of months after kills... Murderes Dalton and gets away with it! lol seems like it should be the other way round or he should have gone down for both! lol

Police obviouly take GBH more seriously than Murder in albert square! lol

Dennis was questioned when Dalton was murdered though, he was one of the prime suspects. Sharon gave him an alibi and Dennis is very good at talking himself out of things, much like Chrissie. I suppose if you have an alibi it eliminates you from their enquiries, or at least they don't suspect you so much.
11-09-2005, 18:10
littlemo

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Poor old Arthur Fowler was one who didn't get away with it.

Janine's was probably the best though, arrested for a murder she didn't commit but not for the one she did.

What's happened to her by the way? When's her trial?

Janine's trial is in December and Mike Reid is coming back for it (sorry bit of a spoiler). I did feel a bit sorry for Janine, I know she was responsible for Barry's death, but some people could argue it was accidental. I don't think it was justified that she went to prison for a murder she didn't commit (Laura's). No matter how bad a person she was.

I felt very sorry for Arthur, he was such a sweet man, who didn't deserve what Wily Roper (con man) did to him.
11-09-2005, 18:23
alan45

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Originally Posted by littlemo

Yes they would! lol There are very few people who haven't commited a crime in EE. Even the nicest people who you think couldn't hurt a fly like Little Mo (but I commend her, I have to say). It's something they should do for EE Revealed, Criminals, they may have done it already but I think it would be great.

Little Mo-tried to kill her husband with an iron (prison)
Kat- Assaulting a police officer (prison)
Big Mo- Fraud, all sorts (prison)
Chrissie-Killed her husband (out)
Dennis- Killed Dalton (out)
Martin- run over Jamie (prison)
Den- Arson (prison)
Phil- Robbery (prison)
Sam- falsely accused of murder (prison)
Grant- assaulting a police officer (prison)
Dot- shoplifting, she was also arrested for the possesion of Cannabis (prison)
Pat- death by drink driving (prison)
Johnny- Killied Andy (out)
Billy- All sorts of dodgy dealings with the Mitchells.
Alfie- Fraud (prison)

There are so many more. It seems not as many as we think get away with it. And I think it definetely depends on the circumstances of a crime as to whether somebody should get off with it or not.

How would you feel if you or some of your family were victims of some of the crimes you have listed
11-09-2005, 18:52
hayley

Quote:

Originally Posted by littlemo

Yes they would! lol There are very few people who haven't commited a crime in EE. Even the nicest people who you think couldn't hurt a fly like Little Mo (but I commend her, I have to say). It's something they should do for EE Revealed, Criminals, they may have done it already but I think it would be great.

Little Mo-tried to kill her husband with an iron (prison)
Kat- Assaulting a police officer (prison)
Big Mo- Fraud, all sorts (prison)
Chrissie-Killed her husband (out)
Dennis- Killed Dalton (out)
Martin- run over Jamie (prison)
Den- Arson (prison)
Phil- Robbery (prison)
Sam- falsely accused of murder (prison)
Grant- assaulting a police officer (prison)
Dot- shoplifting, she was also arrested for the possesion of Cannabis (prison)
Pat- death by drink driving (prison)
Johnny- Killied Andy (out)
Billy- All sorts of dodgy dealings with the Mitchells.
Alfie- Fraud (prison)

There are so many more. It seems not as many as we think get away with it. And I think it definetely depends on the circumstances of a crime as to whether somebody should get off with it or not.

Dont forget Derek! He got aressted for possesion of canabis didnt he?!?
11-09-2005, 18:54
parkerman

And Matthew for a murder he didn't commit, but not Steve for one he did...even thpough it was self-defence.
11-09-2005, 19:35
littlemo

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Originally Posted by alan45

How would you feel if you or some of your family were victims of some of the crimes you have listed

I don't know how i'd feel, I can't really put myself in that position, but a soap is different to real life. Depending on how the writers intepret a situation, we either feel sympathy or hate for the criminal.

If you were a member of Dalton's family, you might feel sad, but that is because you wouldn't be able to see the criminal (Dennis's) side of the story. If something bad happens to somebody you care about you tend to just see one side of the story. A soap gets you to see both sides. Your able to make an informed decision, rather than just going on emotion, because your not involved.
11-09-2005, 21:48
hazey

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Originally Posted by hayley

Dont forget Derek! He got aressted for possesion of canabis didnt he?!?

Also as mentioned Dot got arrested too,for serving up for herb (cannibas) tea, .I thought thats was so funny, Dot is hardley a crimal

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