and when lucy said - how about scoring some drugs...why did Mandy not have to ask her preference?Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
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and when lucy said - how about scoring some drugs...why did Mandy not have to ask her preference?Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Not a fan of the new Lucy yet. Hopefully she'll grow into the role like the new Lauren.
My sarcasm alert has just gone off:nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I dont think Mandy's that dim, I think she was playing along with Lucy to see exactly what she's up too, I dont think either of them took drugsQuote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
I'm not a fan of either new Lucy or LaurenQuote:
Originally Posted by megan999
Not a good epsiode.
We had Alfie Moon prancing about and shouting his usual gibberish
We had Dangerous Derek apologising to Carol and asking for forgiveness. I thought she was going to burst out laughing at him.
Then we had Thick Ricky giving us a giant size portion of his gormless looks.
It appears that him being dumped is Carol's idea. Bianca's reasons for dumping him are rather silly. If she had dumped him immediately she found out about Mandy I could have understood it.
The Police have not given Ben any good reason to inform on his father.
took a while to get used to the new lauren, but thought her scenes in mondays ep with the dr were very good.
Is Ricky gone for good again?
As they think he's wonderfuil, I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
IMO I thought that was Ricky's final farewell, because they played the special end credits music :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I found that strange if he is only gone for a few weeksQuote:
Originally Posted by megan999
What the hell what Kim wearing tonight the colours were blinding
Think he has gone for good this timeQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Phil he is such a nasty piece of work. Poor Afia......
So Lauren shouldn't have dropped out of school, coming from the girl who cheated in her exams...
I read something that Sid Owen (Ricky) is now having the rest of his break, as he was brought back in prematurely to tie things up with Pat leaving. I wondered if the reason for the Julia's theme was because Ricky and Bianca split up in the episode as well, as it became clear that she hadn't just said it was over in the heat of the moment the other night.
had to smile at thurs ep. when morgan said to whit 'i'm too sad to go to school.' and whit replied ' if all sad people stayed in doors, we'd go no where.' brilliant.
glad cora moving back in with dot, reunite walfords answer to the golden girls.:clap:
Phil has been a nasty piece of work for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
Poor Afia indeed. Masood should have kept his mouth shut.
I have to say I'm not really understanding Inspector Mars Bar's investigation. Does she not have written evidence that Phil was involved in the car lot fire that killed the tramp? Why does she not use this to arrest Phil? The evidence as regards Stella is tenuous to say the least and the CCTV film is unequivocal that he did NOT push her. Ben's evidence is second hand and any lawyer would rip it to shreds. Why not get him for the murder she has more substantial proof for?
Ok, I might have missed something but can anyone tell me why Jean won GBP8,000 and what happened about the fraud charges she was meant to be facing regarding Mo falsely claiming for her?
Agree ,and there certainly wouldn't be enough evidence for a court to remand him in custody for the Stella incident.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It's not second hand. It's evidence of a confession made by Phil Mitchell , the accused.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It's the same soap courts that got Phil relased from prison when he was bang to rightsQuote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Did Jean give or throw away the money or I could be wrong completely?Quote:
Originally Posted by moonstorm
DI Marsden or Mars Bar is like a stalker
Of course it's second hand. It's Ben telling the police what Phil told him. That's the definition of second hand. It's not Phil telling the police what he did. That would be first hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
we are talking heresay are we not here? which is not admissable in Court, or I might be wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Jean won the money on a scratch card, but I cant remember what she did with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by moonstorm
the benefit fraud hasnt been mentionned since,
She threw some money away but it wasn't hersQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Anything said by the accused to a witness is not hearsay evidence. If Ben gave evidence in court, anything that he reported that Phil had said to him would not be second hand and it would be admissable.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It would be second hand and hearsay evidence if the Police reported what Ben told them.
It is hearsay but confessions to a third party are allowed in court under certain circumstances. One of these is to corroborate other evidence, which in this case, is singularly lacking. The defence can challenge the nature of the confession before the trial starts and a hearing would be heard on whether in this particular case the evidence can be produced at the trial. If it is obvious that the person reporting the alleged confession has his or her own agenda it would undoubtedly be thrown out. So I think there would be more than enough grounds for Phil's lawyers to get it ruled out in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
Which brings us back to the question, why doesn't Inspector Mars Bar follow up the written evidence on the car lot fire instead of wasting time on this?
You're confusing the fact of being told with what is being told.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
If Phil tells Ben that he murdered someone then Ben's evidence in court is first hand in respect of the fact that Phil told him he had murdered someone but second hand as an account of the crime and would fall under the hearsay rules as applied to evidence that I outlined above.
Even with fully stretching the boundaries for TV storyline credability , the CPS would not take this to court based solely on hearsay evidence from one person, who is easily proven as predjudiced ,been recently convicted of a serious assault. who lied at the time. and who under questioning would show himself to be a complete knobhead. As has already been said there's more evidence with the car lot fire to prosecute.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Isnt Liam too young for even a part time job
It's not hersay and the corroboration is the visual record.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Which brings us back to the question, why doesn't Inspector Mars Bar follow up the written evidence on the car lot fire instead of wasting time on this?[/QUOTE] Don't know. Franks statement would be classed as evidence from a co-accused which would need to be corroborated.
Confessions are not treated as hearsay evidence. Confessions to the Police are not treated as hearsay evidence either and have secured many convictions.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
The two main common law exceptions to the rule that hearsay is inadmissible are res gestae and confessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
loved bens face at the end of fridays ep. that smile. hes certainly not the musical loving billy elliott any more. he could be the new norman bates.
What did Ben expect tonight surely he knew Shirley and the others wouldnt he happy
I agree it was obvious Shirley would kick him out when she found oit!!
Not keen on the new lucy t the moment. Shes a bit to posh!!
anthony came out with a corker tonight, 'i start my new course next week, pakistani cooking'' so funny.
Nearly as funny as Pakistani LudoQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
I would questuion as to whether she is entitled to kick him out. Ben was stupid to think they would find out sooner or laterQuote:
Originally Posted by Katy
However, the Obnoxious Shirley is wrong to keep harping on that Phil has been fitted up. Phil is guilty and nobody has told any lies.
Shirley of all people know about the car and kevin's death, she was bloody in it so why say he was fitted up...
But he didnt kill Stella well as far as we the viewers know she jumpedQuote:
Originally Posted by Dennis tanner
I agree he does share guilt for Kevin's death