I suppose. I never understood why Louise Berridge thought of putting them together in the first place though. Doubt if Shannis would have ever existed had John Yorke stayed with EastEnders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectricToes
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I suppose. I never understood why Louise Berridge thought of putting them together in the first place though. Doubt if Shannis would have ever existed had John Yorke stayed with EastEnders.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElectricToes
I don't think it's important whether the love was mutual or not. It was still love and you can't fault someone for loving someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to agree with WQ about the legality of things. Regardless of whether you are a consenting adult of over 18 or not Incest is still against the law. However, Sharon was adopted when she was about four years old not straight away when she born so I doubt she's even got Den as her father on her birth certificate so it won't matter. The only problem they may have is with adoption papers, those are the ones that probably won't matter now she's over 18. But like I said if she is legally down as Den's daughter then it is against the law regardless of her age. I'm sure they'll find a way round that though!
Hi, they are not related, neither are they legally brother and sister. They are related to Den but not each other. This is how it all differentiates. :) Marriage would not be a problem at all because they were raised in different households by different people up until the age of 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Squarelady, I’m not faulting someone where love is not reciprocated but Sharon and Dennis knew that they had a mutual love. This is why they made some selfish choices- because they knew they had a future together so it was never a case of wanting what you can’t have. They were fighting fo something real. Chrissie, Den and Zoe –it was all one sided and knew deep down that their partners did not feel the same way so what they did was more selfish and arguably desperate too.
Yes, it is selfish and desperate but mutual or not love is love and you will do anything for someone you love. They've all proved that whether they were fighting for somethng real or not. I'm not saying the way they behaved is therefore acceptable but they were fighting for something they thought was real. I don't think you can fault someone for loving someone too much however many problems it may have caused.
Either way I stand by my original point. If they had all been a little less selfish there would of been a lot less problems.
And if Sharon's dad on her birth certificate is Den they cannot get married unless that is changed.
Well I for one would be happy if Chrissie killed Kat - cant stand the character, what's she going to do now she is back, who cares that's she's back.
Dennis did use Zoe to make Sharon jealous at first. I do think Dennis cared for Zoe but while all this was going on he knew he loved Sharon - therefore that's why he was selfish.
Exactly Alisha! thanks for agreeing with me and littlemo. den was obsessed with sharon and that wasnt her fault, she cant control him, well couldnt. i agree everybody had some sort of role in dens death, they are all to blame in some ways but at the end of the day den brought this all on himself, it was his own fault for being obsessed, manipulative and controlling and having an affair with a 21year old!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
So it maybe illegal for Dennis and Sharon (sorry refuse to call then Shannis) to get married, in some cases and new birth certificate is produced for people who are adopted?? it would depend on what year Sharon was adopted, in some cases the original birth certificate was destroyed.
I think they can still get married but in theory they are related. Not blood related and the adoption makes all the difference but they should be living as brother and sister in the situation.
This is what they tried to be brother and sister but it did not work. Their feelings were too strong. Eventually in April they split up because Dennis wanted to do the right thing. He wanted a relationship with Den -however Den kept fobbing him off and never gave him the father son relationship that he promised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Sharon and Dennis met as two adults in their thirties and the attraction was apparent from day one. They were lying to themselves for a while before it actually happened and you're right, Dennis was selfish when it came to Zoe. However when he first went out with her it wasn't to get Sharon jealous but because he didn't want to be alone. Zoe was offering to fill that void for him, knowing full well that he just split from his ex.. He fobbed of Zoe loads but she kept coming back for more even when Dennis told her that he wasn’t a commitment man and that she would see him with other women, she took it upon herself to take that risk. She didn't complain back then and now she's had to learn the hard way.
The relationship was boring I'm afraid mainly due to the then Executive Producer Louise Berridge thinking everybody loved them. I hated it. I wouldn't have minded had it been over and done with soon, I love them now. They work so much better as a couple without all the Shannis nonsense. Sharon is a strong women again and they're a normal happy couple. Much better than the pair of them moping round the Square.
Fair enough, you're not the only one :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Personally I loved it (but not all of it). Everything between September 2003-April 2004 was spot on but it turned tripe when they turned Sharon and Dennis vs Den into a predicable yawnfest Sharon/Dennis/Zoe love triangle. This was where they performed personality transplants (particularly on Sharon) so it could match the plot. We had Dennis on yo-yo between them for 8 months. The original excellence was driven from the family’s opposition but this was pushed to the sidelines. The family was no longer an overriding factor in their relationship but instead a 21 year girl which gave no credibility to the storyline what’s so ever. I'm so pleased that’s gone and dusted. However I do think it was a wasted opportunity last year. Now things are certainly better. Just goes to show what some effective characterisation can do eh?
I liked it when Den opposed the relationship but with him out of the way it was like they brought in Zoe to manipulate the situation further and stop them being together. Why? I don't know. Yes the entertaining aspect was the fact it was forbidden love but because of Den and not because of Zoe. It dragged on for far too long and almost got the programme axed (well by the quality of it, it must have came close). They are much better as they are now although they've returned to the Square definately to let Den know they are an item, why they couldn't have just got together in the first place and defied him is beyond me.
You're spot on. This is exactly what I thought and this is what I meant when I said 'wasted opportunity'. It would have made far more plausible television to watch them stand up to Den but no- ee had to ram a childish love triangle down our throats. Typical :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Seems strange that they're strong enough to say enough's enough to Den now. A bit too late as well, it could have been interesting.
I agree. It was a lack of character consistancy from the writters.
Last year really was so bad to how it is now. It seems like everything is tighter behind the scenes and the producers are demanding results from the writers. On top of that they're trying to use the characters in more serious ways again and not the teen bunch.
Hiya!!!!!
EastEndeRs Has DefiNiteLy Improved Since Last Year!!!!!
Last Week For Example Was Absolutely Great!!!!!
Dennis Seems Different Now,I Mean I Have Always Been A Huge Shannis Fan,But I Like The Way Dennis Has Changed,And Also There Are A Lot Of Great And Strong New Characters,Such As,Chrissie Watts,Jake And Danny Moon,Johnny Allen,Stacey Slater,Ruby Allen!!!!!
Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:
BUT Dennis's birth certifcate won't have Den on it as his father... so they could get married...Quote:
Originally Posted by judejude
Not apposed to them getting married, but would be intrested to know the leagal ins and outs of it!!!
I'm contacting a solicitor jude to find this out.
They can get married as there is no prrof of Den being Dennis's father
Cool!! Let us know when you find out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
He's on the birth certificate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel_Beckett_Lover
From a Citzens advise websiteQuote:
Adopted children may not marry their adoptive parents but they are allowed to marry the rest of their adoptive family, including their adoptive brother or sister
Still dirty pervos though :DQuote:
Originally Posted by judejude
Dennis and Sharon make a lovely couple. They are not blood related, and it is perfectly legal for them to get married. Den may be on Sharon's birth certificate, but there's no way Den would be on Dennis's. It has been pointed out to us that Den had no idea about Paula (Dennis's mum) even being pregnant with Dennis. And as we all know a father can't be printed on a birth certificate unless the mother is married to them, or if he is there to sign it himself. So there's nothing legally wrong or morally wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
In theory their normal situation would be siblings though if that's what they could live as.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
Yes, Den certainly wanted it that way, as did Vicky, but Dennis and Sharon always had sexual chemistry between them. And let's face it, there could never be a 'normal' situation in the Watts family! I think people have strict definitions on what they class as 'normal', I personally don't think there is anything wrong with their relationship, they aren't blood, they've only known each other 2 years. It's quite a complicated situation but it's not impossible to work out. And even Vicky accepted their relationship in the end. So why couldn't Den?! Because he was selfish and obsessive!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
They tried to live as brother and sister but failed, I think it's much better the way it is! You can only live with a secret for so long before it eats away at you. Now Sharon and Dennis have got the best of both worlds, they are in a loving romantic relationship and they also have an element of brotherly sisterly love for each other too. They are always going to be linked to each other. And neither of them have had that in any of their previous relationships. It makes it extra special!
Was still boring :) Till they came back this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
To me Sharon and Dennis were not boring because they were and still are more complex than every couple in the square and its their individual personas that make them differ from the rest. I found the love triangle off and this was when it became repetitive, which is why there was such negativity on 'shannis' because they were going around in circles but not exactly getting any where. That made lame viewing but everything up to April 2004 was up to scratch.
:hmm: wait a min .. I thought Den and Angie adopted SHARON, so she really wasn't his daughter was she ??? I need to get this straight:confused: :confused: :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
Yes Sharon was adopted by Den, but he would be on her birth certificate, she has been brought up by him since she was 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by justjodi
Thanks so much :)Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
There goes my hope of a Den and Sharon wedding right out the window! :lol: <--- I'm joking!Quote:
Originally Posted by judejude
My god it's bad enough her marrying Dennis without pervo coming back.Quote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
Why don't you want Sharon marrying Dennis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
:rotfl: lol thats a shame i was hoping they would get married too. NOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
I don't want her to marry Dennis because the storyline bored me for so long last year but I must admit I'm enjoying them now.
It would get complicated if they had a child and introduced it to Vickie - um sister on both sides.