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Yes, Emma suspected Jane killed Lucy and Jane "confessed" that it was indeed her (which is why she was expecting an imminent visit from the police when Emma died). Jane didn't reveal Bobby's involvement to Emma, which is what I thought had happened (not that I knew she was covering for Bobby of course).Quote:
Originally Posted by vcdg84
I think i should have the duff duffs. It is sad because dtc has done great things to turn the show around, only to drop a huge spanner into the equation with this Kathy business. if you loose creditability it is a slippery slope sadly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
He hasn't lost credibility with the majority of fans though as you've no doubt seen on other sites and social media. Yes, a lot of people complained about the Lucy reveal yesterday but there's been a huge about-turn after tonight's episode. The majority of fans can see the dramatic future potential for the Beales that will ripple from Bobby killing Lucy, and tonight's amazing live episode was a huge pay-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
As for Kathy, most fans are delighted she's back and can't wait to see her again. I'm not convinced, but I'm happy to see how it pans out before making any judgements. I know I had to pick my jaw up off the floor when she appeared on Thursday and that sense of shock was a very enjoyable experience! :D
DTC has been responsible for the highest ratings in years and excited fans have broken Twitter records. He's actually gained massive credibility.
Time will tell if choosing Bobby as the killer and raising Kathy from the dead will be considered successful storylines in the long-term, but I think any failures are going to be too late to tarnish DTC now. After all, most fans now agree that Stacey was a bad choice for Archie's killer but that hasn't tarnished Diederick Santer's reputation one bit.
And no-one's mentioned that Winston got to kiss Sonia in the pub - probably the most important part of the whole episode.:thumbsup::D
I don't know why they had to go down that route with Billy and the photos. It'll probably be forgotten like Billy stealing the post, because he's no pervert. He wouldn't do something like that with his and Julie's backstories in the care home. Rather than the fish, they should have had him and Lucy rowing over the fact that she'd agreed to go into business with him and then used him to get the contacts from Butcher's Joints before giving him the elbow for Lauren.
You are right a lot of the fans are happy, I think it is perhaps the older fans like myself who have watched from day one who are disgruntled. I don't have a problem with Bobby being the killer (that was a master stroke in my opinion) and thought the flash back episode was superb and a real jaw dropping ending, very clever. The full live episode was outstanding and really showed Adam's talents to the full. All the Beales were superb. The whole anniversary week has been a great success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
If I am being picky and I had been EP, I would have ended the live epsiode with Julia's theme and the photo's on the side board, the fireworks broke the moment slightly. A lovely touch showing the heart carved of Tony and Julia. The episode still deserved a 10/10.
I still stand by what I said. I know we don't know the outcome of Kathy's return, but it wasn't needed. If that had not been in the episode you would not have missed it. That is why I am hopping mad. DTC has saved EastEnders and brought it back from the brink, he is a very good EP. EastEnders is not Hollyoaks and DTC is not Bryan Kirkwood, well not yet.
Just caught the live show from last night on YouTube and I admit I cried. Adam's performance was outstanding and the rest of the cast did an amazing job. Completely forgot it was 100% live it was that good.
I personally I think this was better than the last time as they did a second show the day after the reveal that was live and explained a lot more than when Stacey killed archie. The shows after that were prerecorded so we had to wait a few weeks for the explanation (max and Stacey episode ). There was immediate closure on thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I see you haven't stated your opinion on the anniversary week episodes Parkerman (except to give your approval of Winston's scenes :D). Can I take it from your silence that you weren't impressed? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
It looks like we agree more than we disagree. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
I don't know about there being an age split as I'm an older fan who's been there from day one (except for 18 months) and I've seen plenty of positive comments from people I know are older too. Surely younger fans wouldn't be that interested in Kathy one way or another?
I couldn't agree more about DTC being EE's saviour. I didn't watch the soap for about 18 months before he took over because I'd had enough. This is the only time I haven't watched EE since it started and was down to the poor quality. I literally couldn't bear to watch it any longer. I went back to it (with quite a lot of trepidation) about 2 weeks after the Carters arrived as I was hearing such good things, and I haven't been tempted to stop watching again since.
So DTC literally saved EE for this long term viewer. I don't like every single thing he's done (Alfie's become unbearable for instance) but there's enough good stuff to keep me coming back and I've felt the live week was an absolute triumph (in case I haven't made that clear enough :o).
Can I take it you've changed your mind and will be continuing to watch EE after all? I do hope so! :)
I agree, a lot of thought went into planning this time around so we weren't left hanging for weeks. It was extremely well done all round. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
I'm sorry. I couldn't get over seeing my hero again. I thought he'd disappeared for ever. It was a great touch by DTC to bring him back and feature him in so many scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
The rest was ok. Some good scripting and acting and knocked spots off Corrie at the moment. I agree that Adam's performance in the live episode was a tour-de-force. In truth I think he outshone everyone else. I think it was a bit of a shame that Bobby being revealed as the killer was not a great surprise thanks to social media. I'm afraid it didn't really have the shock value it should have done for me. As a plot device it was a good idea and what happens next with his development will be very interesting.
The thing I am still not sure about with this though is what happens now with the investigation. Are the police just going to forget it? Are the Branning Family just going to drop the whole thing? Ian told Mick he knew who killed Lucy, is he just going to forget it? Sharon has been a life long friend of Ian; will she just forget it and never raise it again. Stacey also thinks Lauren knows who did it, won't she pursue it? I still need to see how all this is going to resolve itself.
I'm also very unhappy about bringing Kathy back. It just happens too often in Soaps. Finding a way to bring someone back from the dead or getting them out of prison because the actor and producer thinks it would be nice to be back. Sorry, don't like that. Reg Cox will be next....or will it be Dean?