Not keen on Danielle's dad - think he's shifting his guilt onto Ronnie.
Once again good episode; its storylines like this that show that they really can act.
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Not keen on Danielle's dad - think he's shifting his guilt onto Ronnie.
Once again good episode; its storylines like this that show that they really can act.
I agree! he was way to hard on her and it also made me cry again. It was very sad :(Quote:
Originally Posted by RuebenClara
And to blame ronnie and say she killed him, that was wrong
he hasnt even considered what Danielle, his daughter wanted!
I kinda felt sorry for Janine at the beginning of the episode and not when she helped Archie
I think Roxy should give Ronnie the picture
Great acting again tonight from Sam Janus
I loved the scene with her and Max
ian is so funny! so whats with archie and janine i wonder
I feel sorry for her too, I mean it was accident and it must be really tough for herQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I was confused when she helped Archie
I feel sorry for Billy stuck in the middle between the two parties. I don't think it will be long before Ronnie resents him for it; she's not going to take too much of Danielle's adoptive father blaming her for it I don't think and sooner or later Ronnie's bound to go into blaming people and herself. I expected her to be pushing Roxy away tonight, it looked like Ronnie didn't want anything to do with her when it all happened. I think Roxy should give her the picture as Ronnie's bound to find it sooner or later herself if not and start to regard Roxy as she did Archie in a way, for keeping things from her.
Not feeling sorry for Janine; she had a point about Stacey but to an extent the damage that she did can be undone; they're all still alive. She was acting as if she hadn't done much wrong it seemed to me; she should be charged for manslaughter at least, if not speeding as well. I felt sorry for her when she went to prison for killing Laura as she hadn't done it but she got away with Barry and I don't think she should be getting away with killing someone twice.
EE got 10.6 million viewers last night and if they want to maintain high viewing figures they are going to have to pull their fingers out their butts. Larry Lamb (Archie) is the arch villian of the moment but the writers have to keep him evil otherwise they may as well get rid of him now. We have seen over the years characters brought in to be hardmen then after a couple of months turn into pipsqueaks and that is one of EE's problems. Don't shoot yourself in the foot EE and the viewers might just forgive you for all the duff choices that has been made over the last few years.
Sam Janus is a good actress. She playes the part in such a humble way it does her credit.
I think that anyone with grieve can lash out. So I feel sympathy for Ronnie and Danielles dad.
Uh oh what is Janine up to? She has been treated harsly , but we'll never forget that she killed Barry without any remorse.
I have watched Eastenders for 15 years now and along the way i have watched some amazing acting and story lines, and some have been pretty much........no brainers.
I was so amazed at the story line for Ronnie Mitchell, doesn't this character deserve a little bit of happiness? It was so exciting to know that her daughter that she had given away and grieved for all her life was right under her nose. How lovely this is going to be when she finds out that she exists and can start living her life with her............or so most of the UK's viewers thought!
What kind of people are writing the utter tripe that i watched the other night. Dont get me wrong the acting was fantasic, and these characters deserve better story lines. But can someone please explain to me, why these writers feel that when a story line is coming to its climax, to end it so abruptly by killing them off with the usual Eastenders death.....being run over......yawn how boring. It was so good up until that point.
Danielles death was completely un nessary and a waste of our viewing time. So now what does Ronnie do, i can predict, probably go insanely crazy over her daughters death and run Archie over in the square as revenge. When if she had cuddled her long lost daughter outside the tube station it could have been left with a happier and more interesting next part of her life.
To be honest after seeing that episode i am NEVER watching Eastenders again, i have never felt so depressed after watching a soap. Why do the writers feel they need every character to have a cursed life. Its so unimaginative a monkey could write better scripts.........Boring, boring, boring.
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Wow those are great ratings :D and im not surprised
I have watched Eastenders for 15 years now and along the way i have watched some amazing acting and story lines, and some have been pretty much........no brainers.
I was so amazed at the story line for Ronnie Mitchell, doesn't this character deserve a little bit of happiness? It was so exciting to know that her daughter that she had given away and grieved for all her life was right under her nose. How lovely this is going to be when she finds out that she exists and can start living her life with her............or so most of the UK's viewers thought!
What kind of people are writing the utter tripe that i watched the other night. Dont get me wrong the acting was fantasic, and these characters deserve better story lines. But can someone please explain to me, why these writers feel that when a story line is coming to its climax, to end it so abruptly by killing them off with the usual Eastenders death.....being run over......yawn how boring. It was so good up until that point.
Danielles death was completely un nessary and a waste of our viewing time. So now what does Ronnie do, i can predict, probably go insanely crazy over her daughters death and run Archie over in the square as revenge. When if she had cuddled her long lost daughter outside the tube station it could have been left with a happier and more interesting next part of her life.
To be honest after seeing that episode i am NEVER watching Eastenders again, i have never felt so depressed after watching a soap. Why do the writers feel they need every character to have a cursed life. Its so unimaginative a monkey could write better scripts.........Boring, boring, boring.
I dont get why she should be charged for manslaughter. Danielle just walked into the road without checking. I dont like Janine but i dont thin she was fully to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
Loved the episodes.
In the end i am glad that they killed Danielle off, i mean if they kept her alive what would happen? Her and Ronnie live happily ever after and it would get boring.
I feel the same, well the difference is I like Janine but I dont think she should go downQuote:
Originally Posted by miccisyI dont get why she should be charged for manslaughter. Danielle just walked into the road without checking. I dont like Janine but i dont thin she was fully to blame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I wonder how they would treat people if it was someone else driving
This may not go down well with some people on here or on other messgeboards but EE made the right choice in the end in Killing off Danielle . I am gutted about this though I thought her character and the acrress Lauren crace were both amazing from start to finish . But this is all about what make a character and Ronnie is a TRAGIC character on the show . They said in the BBC 3 show that just having a few moments with each other then ripping it away is made for powerful and emotional viewing . Eastenders has now moved into it`s goldern genartion . We will see drama we have not seen before . All these pretision and facebook appeals for Danielle`s comeback will not prove anything . It`s is ashame that some people only discover when Daniell/Lauren was gone/going that she was any good, such is the world we live in . I look forward to Ronnie`s downward progression into mental breakdown , only Sam can do this best .
I can`t wait to the award season EE will clean up , oh boy the other soaps must wonder what to do now . They will copy what EE do , which will be such a shame .
^ I agree actually. I think it was the right decision to kill her off, I could never imagine her being a long term character on the show. What would they have done with her really? It wouldn't have worked.
Also I was thinking, you know when Danielle first came into it how did she know where to find Ronnie?
Wasnt ronnies name on the list? you know a list where if the adopted children want to get in touch with their parents they can??
Oh right I see, but wasn't Ronnie supposed to be living in Spain with Roxy?
I sent a complaint into the BBC here is the reply I got...
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Thank you for your e-mail.
We note your disappointment with the ending of 'EastEnders' on 02 April. However, we would stress that it contained all the elements of a classic soap episode – a wedding, high drama, and tragedy.
We acknowledge we didn't deliver the happy ending many of the audience may have been hoping for, and that for some people this was upsetting. We hope viewers will understand that our aim is to always deliver the best drama possible.
The storyline between Ronnie and Danielle was always going to be a challenging one and the producers decided from the offset that their relationship as mother and daughter would be short lived. Giving Ronnie what she'd always wanted in the long run would have impacted on what we were trying to achieve and although Danielle's death may have been shocking for some viewers 'EastEnders', like all good drama, contains a balance of storylines, both happy and sad.
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Is it me or does Ronnie remind you of Sharon?
Fridays episode was good. Poor Ronnie.
So Archie is a Mitchell outcast, it must be bad when even the black sheep Billy turns their back on you. Not that he doesn't deserve it but still. Intersting handshake with Janine as well.
I totally understand where Danielles dad is coming from but its not really far on Ronnie. She isn't a mind reader, how was she to know. To her, Danielle was just this freaky little stalker.
Ok I see you point but at the end of th say dont you think it was more dramatic this way then well Ronnie and Danielle to have a happy realtionship? what would have happened?
I mean in a way it would have been nice, but well I can see this as the best outcome in terms of creating drama which is thw writers jobs
Yeah but she came back to england. She probably but her name on the list before she wentQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k9
Danielle's stepdad was really out of order with Ronnie, I think. I know he's grieving but it was ridiculous that he told Ronnie it was all her fault - it's just going to make her feel a whole lot worse.
I cried on Friday's episode :( I wasn't going to watch it because I found Thursday's episode really depressing but I couldn't resist watching the aftermath - it was as equally depressing, but really well acted nonetheless.
I have to disagree about Danielle. I thought it was the worst decision to kill her off. I wanted to see her and Ronnie build up a relationship together and have storylines together. After months of build up, it was all over in a few minutes. I thought it was a cop out.
I do agree, I would have liked to see that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaVeyWaVey
But at the same time I can see why this was the best way. The really have created highented drama here. I was crying loads!! And we will probably see more from ronnie and more well drama and tension so I can see why they chose this way
I am glad I am on this Forum and and not on any other ones I could name (Digitlyspy) . They certainly don`t understand what makes a character on EE , Ronnie is a Tragic character of the show like it or not . This ending or should I say ending of this chapter of the Ronnie story made perfect sense . Although I would have slighly changed it but not the final out come .
Last Thursdays episode was so long waited for , I would have pulled the wool over all the viewer eyes by changing it every so slightly . This is what I would have done , first Janine would not have found out about not being the legal owner of the car lot until Good Friday . In doing this she would not jump in her car and gone looking for Tiffany and telling her that her real father was Ricky . So the knock on effect would have resulted in R and D running into each others arms and spending all this week with each other . Probably going on holiday to such places as southend ( Well all the characters go there from time to time ) . Then on Friday Janine would have found out about the car lot , then gone off in a rage in her car as we know about . R and D would have come back from southend by train , walk out of the tube station . And the car would have speeding round the corner looking like it would knock Ronnie down but Danielle would have sacrificed herself by pushing her out of the way and getting mowed down herself . That would have been more powerful viewing in my eyes as it would have given alot of people hope for R and D then this twist we here so much about would have really taken us by suprise . Oh well it something the Producers / writers can ponder on for another day .I hope no one on here are going to boycott EE as some others from different forums are going to do there loss I suppose:nono: .I am looking forward to the funeral , seeing Gareth and the Gran . Maybe the gran will give ronnie a photo album of Danielle showing photos of her when she was young and maybe a video of her horse riding taking her first steps the usual stuff . I could imagine all this , it would make emotional viewing for Ronnie :crying:
Well put Abbie. The happily ever after option would have been nice but like you said it creates no drama which is boring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
amylou, you've taken the words right out of my mouth. These are exactly my thoughts.. no one is ever happy in EastEnders.
I was expecting this amazing episode, it was exactly the same with the Corrie wedding, why do the soaps feel the need to advertise the episode making it unmissable and a must see, then disappoint us with a poorly written episode, the acting was brilliant for the last 20 minutes, but that was it and how come it took Janine 30 minutes to drive round the corner to knock her down.
er, should this not be in current ep discussion????
MERGING!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Bad Wolf
I did say that in the second post of thread and posted a link
thanks abi, i'll merge them now xx
IMO this ending would have been more effective if they hadn't already used the "running over" method with Max. When Janine ran over Danielle, my initial reaction was, "oh no, not again!" I think that Janine is more worried about herself than the fact that she has killed someone. She offered the hand of friendship to Archie because she needs an ally. I agree that after all these months of build up that Ronnie and Danielle deserve a happy ending, but this is soapland after all. At least the acting was superb, especially from Samantha Janus and Lauren Crace. Did they bring back Janine JUST to run over Danielle? I hope not. I like her character. I still do not understand why Archie wanted to marry Peggy. Is it because he didn't want to grow old on his own/wanted the Vic/wanted a wife he could control?
I think Archie married Peggy, because he knew he could manipulate her and control her. Like the way he seemed to have the power to make Roxy believe every single word and yet be manipulting her into believing that Ronnie was the person who had done everything wrong. I also think that he wanted to run the Vic again because of the control factor.
ok this might be a long post, as im gonna try and write everything in one post instead of replying to individual parts separately, so feel free to not read it all lol!
firstly i did really enjoy watching both thursdays and fridays epi, normally with hour long epis i get bored halfway through and keep looking at the clock and although i agree that not much happened for the first part of thursdays epi it was still good viewing i thought
thursdays epi, id already read the spoilers and so i knew that danielle was going to get run over by janine and die and i really wish i hadnt. although the ending was still good, i think it would have been more emotional and powerful if i hadnt seen it coming. my housemate didnt know and she was in complete shock and im disappointed that i read the spoilers and knew it was going to happen. however i did wonder why janine was driving around in the car for so long (i know someones already pointed out an explanation for this) and also why danielle just stood in the road and stared at the car for what seemed like forever! surely she had time to move out of the way? and surely janine had time to stop/swerve etc? i would have liked it if danielle had been killed some other way, like accidently falling in front of the train or something, as i think the car accident scenario has been done so many times already. also did anyone call an ambulance? janine just stood there and stacey ran into the vic to tell them, surely the first thing to do what be to get an ambulance there? however even with these small things i thought it was done well and they didnt spoil the epi as a whole for me
i also liked how jack was, in a roundabout way, sort of responsible for janine running danielle over, as he always has to get one over on people and although janine deserved the humiliation of the car lot, i wonder how ronnie would feel if she knew that what jack had done had had the knockon effect of killing her daughter? i think that could be interesting although im guessing it will just be forgotten
also, nothing to do with the accident/danielle dying, but i hate dotty, what she said to tiffany was really mean, i hope dot realises what a horrible little brat she is soon!
fridays epi was also good. i liked seeing janines vunerable side and i actually feel sorry for her as although shes normally a right bitch to everyone else, i think she feels really bad for killing danielle, although how much of that upset is for herself rather than danielle i dont know. i think its good to see another side to her
and although danielles dad was really mean to ronnie when he found out who she was, i think it was to be expected. i dont think he blamed ronnie for danielle coming to find her, more of the fact that the reason she walked out in front of the car was to go to ronnie (and i think he would resent her even more if he knew that she had just shouted at danielle which was why she was running away in the first place). although its not ronnies fault, hes grieving and i think he just wanted someone to blame. i dont agree that he should have moaned at her for giving her up though cos she was only a kid at the time and it wasnt her fault
i liked how roxy was there for ronnie and it seemed like they were putting what has been going on for the past few months behind them. i think it will be good for both of them to be there for each other. im also glad roxy chucked out archies stuff as i think his deceiption has hit her hardest as she always idolised him. i also liked the max/ronnie scene as i like their friendship. and although jack was trying to be nice to ronnie i think he needs to stay away from her for a bit as i think he could do more harm than good atm
although i dont want archie to leave, i dont see what else they can really do if hes stays there. he plays the evil villian really well but he doesnt have anyone to manipulate any more so im not really sure what else he could do, and i really dont want him to turn nice in the hope of getting his family back. killing him could be good but only if its done in the right circumstance etc i dont want him to die just for the sake of it
ive already written my views on danielle dying in another thread:
overall i think the acting was brilliant from quite a lot of the cast, especially in the last part of thursdays epi, and im looking forward to the effect this is going to have and what is going to happen nextQuote:
Originally Posted by di marco
finally id just like to say that while i know that some people didnt like the ending to this storyline and that they have every right to disagree with why i thought it worked for the best, i dont really see how complaining to the bbc will help, and definitely why some people have started petitions etc. whats done is done, it cant be changed cos danielle is dead, its not like they might change their minds and bring the character back at a later date. the decision for her to die was obviously for a reason and while it might not have been the best/ideal ending for this storyline, it is obviously the best way for the soap in the future. and if viewers are enjoying the show apart from this one decision, i dont see why they would choose to stop watching altogether as at the end of the day, its going to be them thats missing out, not the ee producers etc
sorry this is so long, i didnt actually realise it was this long til ive just looked. maybe if i put this much thought into my essays they would get done a lot quicker!
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Originally Posted by Chris_2k9
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Originally Posted by Abbie
if i remember correctly, wasnt there a scene in the vic where ronnie phoned up looking for her daughter and she put her name on the register then?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbbieYeah but she came back to england. She probably but her name on the list before she wentQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k9
I sense a 'who dunnit?' coming on?!
I honestly couldn't care less about Peggy's pathetic hurt pride - Ronnie has lost her daughter, you stupid cow!!
I hope Archie isn't killed off. Its a waste. I know he has completly burnt his bridges with his family but killing him off would just be a cheap way to end the storyline.
just watched the secret mitchell on i player Larry Lamb says he leaves town,Spoiler:
I'm so behind... just watched Thursdays ep... omg! I'm in tears, I heard it was sad, but didn't think it would be SO sad ! :crying: