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I am glad he pointed out that he is a good kisser but would not go further than that :) Ian should give Jane some space to think about the adoption situation and not tell her that she can't come back if she leaves. But that is Ian how we know and love him (or not) :D
I was a bit wary about posting my opinion on the Ian/Jane situation as I felt it might be universally unpopular, but I am encouraged to say something as my wife said to me this morning, "We know Ian Beale's not a very nice person, but you do have to sympathise with him."
So...I also feel a bit sorry for Ian. Having had four children of his own and reaching a stage in his life where all the nappy changing and constant attention and so on is behind him, I can quite understand (as a father myself) why he would not want to go through it all again. And, although he didn't express himself well, it is a fact that when he and Jane got together she knew the position and knew he didn't want to have any more children. I think she is being unfair to him to expect him to want to adopt a baby now.
Yes, maybe his ultimatum was a bit uncalled for and he should give Jane time to think but I have to say, like my wife, I do sympathise with Ian.
I kinda agree with you in the respect that Ian went about it all the wrong way.. but he has also got to understand that at the time Jane could have had kids but it was one of his kids that took that choice away from her.. Understand Ian doesn't want to be change nappies etc.. but for what we see he doesn't have much involvement with Bobby.. it seems that Lucy and Jane are the ones raising him, not his father.
Yes, while that is true, it was still the case that they weren't actually going to have any kids, even though she could have. They had talked about it and agreed not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
It maybe hard to understand but when you have the choice, you make it, it is your decision but that choice was taken away from her.. At the time she probably didn't want kids but she had a choice back then.. now she doesn't.. Maybe this is not making sense but if you had a choice and it was taken from you, it makes you want to have that choice back even more.. Women change their minds... just cause you feel that way "at that time" doesn't mean you will always feel like that...Quote:
Originally Posted by parkermanYes, while that is true, it was still the case that they weren't actually going to have any kids, even though she could have. They had talked about it and agreed not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
I do understand that, but I still think that makes it very hard on Ian.
It's a very difficult situation for both of them of course, but I don't think anyone can just say, "Oh typical Beale - he's the villain in this." No-one is the villain. It's just a heart-rending situation for both.
I think Ian did not want for Jane to leave, that is why he told her she could not come back if she did leave. I think he is actually frightened that she will not come back to him and kind of kicked her out before she could leave him. He is sooo regretting what he said, I am sure. But it is the way Ian deals with his emotions. Speaks before he thinks.
I only called him the "villain" due to the way he spoke to Jane like she was dirt... nothing more.. if he had handled it in a different way then people would probably have more sympathy...Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
What business is it of Ronnie's what Owen did to Libby and Denise?
:eek: oh no did ronnie really have condoms