Chrissie Watts

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Originally Posted by judejude

Yea true, If it did go to court it will be a really intresting case. What will let Chrisse down would be the fact that she/they burried the body. She would be portrayed in court as really hard faced and deviouse women with no feelings, which is not the case.

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Yes I really hope this court case happens at some point, it would be great! I think the fact that Chrissie helped bury Den will be difficult for Sharon to comprehend too. If she had killed him in self defence, why didn't she go to the police after it had happened? why did she bury him under the Vic? and why did she pretend for 3 months (or however long it takes for Sharon to find out) that he had gone off with another women? then there's all the times Chrissie has played on that fact since. Staging rows in the bar with Den etc. it's not the way a remorseful woman would behave. So the courts would say and Sharon probably.

I'm not sure how I feel about it. I do think Chrissie has some feelings but if it was really tearing her apart inside, I wouldn't stay in Walford would you?! Especially in a place where my murdered dead husband is buried.

Dont really understand why she stayed, one affair is forgivable but numerous!!.

I know she loved him intensly but theirs a line somewhere

Sharon, Dennis and Zoe aren't innocent. Neither is Chrissie in starting this. Sam wasn't involved in the whole affairs/love thing in getting it all started though.

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I'm not sure how I feel about it. I do think Chrissie has some feelings but if it was really tearing her apart inside, I wouldn't stay in Walford would you?! Especially in a place where my murdered dead husband is buried.

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I think Chrisie has to stay to get some control over the situation. If someone discovers the body, Chrissie needs to be there.

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Originally Posted by judejude

Dont really understand why she stayed, one affair is forgivable but numerous!!.

I know she loved him intensly but theirs a line somewhere

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I agree. If I was Chrissie I would have split with Den years ago.

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why didn't she go to the police after it had happened?

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Because she was trying to protect all three of them. She was prepared to cover for Zoe before she even touched Den.

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why did she bury him under the Vic?

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Without a car or mode of transport where else was she meant to take the body?

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why did she pretend for 3 months (or however long it takes for Sharon to find out) that he had gone off with another women?

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Because she's trying to cover their backs. It's not just pressure from herself she's got..she's covering for two other woman at the same time too.

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It's not the way a remorseful woman would behave. So the courts would say and Sharon probably.

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Does this look like a woman who planned to murder her husband? Who has no remorse for her actions?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nart/IAM11.bmp

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I wouldn't stay in Walford would you?! Especially in a place where my murdered dead husband is buried.

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She's tied to the Vic now. It's her insurance to stay in Walford because she can't leave him behind. She can't just pack up and go because as soon as she's gone if they find the body that's it. Games up and she's, Sam and Zoe are in prison.

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Originally Posted by judejude

Dont really understand why she stayed, one affair is forgivable but numerous!!.

I know she loved him intensly but theirs a line somewhere

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That's just love for you. It's just the way some woman think when they love someone that much. Like she was explanining to Jake. She just couldn't stop loving him and when the pain for to much she just wanted it to stop. For her to stop hurting her...emotionally and physically.

And no one in the situation :- Dennis, Zoe, Sharon, Chrissie, Sam and Den...no one is innocent. They were all selfish and out for all they could get and that's why this is such a mess.

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Originally Posted by squarelady

Because she was trying to protect all three of them. She was prepared to cover for Zoe before she even touched Den.


Without a car or mode of transport where else was she meant to take the body?


Because she's trying to cover their backs. It's not just pressure from herself she's got..she's covering for two other woman at the same time too.


Does this look like a woman who planned to murder her husband? Who has no remorse for her actions?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...nart/IAM11.bmp

She's tied to the Vic now. It's her insurance to stay in Walford because she can't leave him behind. She can't just pack up and go because as soon as she's gone if they find the body that's it. Games up and she's, Sam and Zoe are in prison.

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Zoe isn't at risk of going to prison for as long as Chrissie though and that's even if the police find Zoe.

She'll still go to prison and it'll ruin her. For starters it could possibly be attempted murder! And the police would easily find Zoe considering she's told the entire population of Walford she's going to Spain to stay with Kelly.

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Originally Posted by squarelady

That's just love for you. It's just the way some woman think when they love someone that much. Like she was explanining to Jake. She just couldn't stop loving him and when the pain for to much she just wanted it to stop. For her to stop hurting her...emotionally and physically.

And no one in the situation :- Dennis, Zoe, Sharon, Chrissie, Sam and Den...no one is innocent. They were all selfish and out for all they could get and that's why this is such a mess.

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Yes that's right. It's that saying isn't it 'You can't live with them, you can't live without them', that's Den and Chrissie all over. I prefered Den and Angie mind, I have to say.

I don't think anyone of those people you mentioned are inncoents either but I think there was only one person that deliberately when out to hurt others, and that was Den. He made Chrissie's life a misery, and maybe Dennis will see that what she did was what any person could do.

I don't think Chrissie is completely at fault. What I was saying before was that the way she's been acting since it happened wouldn't appear to the courts or a lot of other people as innocent. It doesn't mean I don't feel a bit sorry for her. But it has happened, and it's up to her to live with the consequences.

*nods at littlemo* I agree. She's not blameless but she isn't the only one at fault.

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

Zoe isn't at risk of going to prison for as long as Chrissie though and that's even if the police find Zoe.

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How long do you think Chrissie will get? I don't know whether they would believe it was self defence now, and even if they did she would still go down for covering up the evidence. If she hadn't she may well have got off with it. I know there bringing in a new law now which states that women who kill due to domestic violence can get no prison sentence at all. Any ideas what Chrissie's sentence would be?

depends on what the decide to charge her for, Murder or manslaughter. Conspiricy to conceal a body would be what Zoe and Sam would get charged with possibly??

Zoe - Attempted Murder and Accomplice
Sam - Accomplice

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

The mess would never have started if Dennis didn't want to go off with his sister :D

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No it wasn't Dennis's fault, you can't help who you fall in love with can you?! And it wasn't just one sided, Sharon loved Dennis just as much as he loved her. The way Den saw it, Dennis was taking advantage, he seemed to see her as some naive school kid. It was Den's obsession with Sharon that caused this mess! Please don't blame Dennis, it upsets me! lol.

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Originally Posted by littlemo

No it wasn't Dennis's fault, you can't help who you fall in love with can you?! And it wasn't just one sided, Sharon loved Dennis just as much as he loved her. The way Den saw it, Dennis was taking advantage, he seemed to see her as some naive school kid. It was Den's obsession with Sharon that caused this mess! Please don't blame Dennis, it upsets me! lol.

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If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.

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Yes but Sharon isn't his real sister.

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

If I had been Dennis I wouldn't have embarked on an affair with my sister.

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Why don't you fancy Sharon? :lol:

this is confusing my little head! can i just say for a start though that, 1) sharon is NOT dennis' sister 2) we cant choose who we fall in love with 3) it upsets me alot when people say horrible things about sharon and dennis so leave them alone :P lol

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Originally Posted by judejude

Yea I agree with that WQ.

Chrissie will get her comuppance from Kat though

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I don't think she will. What’s the worst that Kat can do to Chrissie? I can see her throwing her catty remarks, maybe having a b***h fight. A few cold words and threats but that’s about it really. She can't dob Chrissie without implicating her daughter. She may as well offer Zoe jail sentence herself. Kat may be a hard nut but Chrissie is more calculating and wiser in her ways. Kat may weaken Chrissie, but I don't see Chrissie's comeuppance being at the hands of Kat.

Queen Vic, I'm not excusing what Chrissie did. I still think it was wrong for what she did. Zoe would naturally be mad but it’s not as black and white as some people like to think. Chrissie had her reasons and how ever wrong they were, I don't see her as evil. Evil would be someone like Janine but not Chrissie. She has her conscience and although it doesn't look like it on the surface, she is paying for it in her own way.

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Originally Posted by hayzie

this is confusing my little head! can i just say for a start though that, 1) sharon is NOT dennis' sister 2) we cant choose who we fall in love with 3) it upsets me alot when people say horrible things about sharon and dennis so leave them alone :P lol

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Very well said!

Den was the cause of all this grief! Sharon and Dennis had nothing to do with his murder. And they have a brilliant relationship, there is nothing incestuous about it! They will make a great husband and wife team!

The affair between Sharon and Dennis is not responsible for Den's death.

If Den hadn't have slept with Zoe it would have been some other poor cow. This would have given the excuse Chrissie needed to destroy him.

Sharon and Dennis fell in love against the odds. Chrissie, Sam and Zoe took it into their own hands to destroy him after being manipulated by him. This was the result.

No one in the situation is blameless at all. I think everyone bears some responsibility but to be fair to Sharon and Dennis, they were not around when this happened and it was Den's obsession with Sharon that was the driving force behind the whole thing (which Sharon had no control over)

i can't wait for this... you could tell on the night and in her behaviour since that Chrissie DIDN'T intenionally kill Den but come off it... she doesn't want people to find out and end up going to prison... she's trying to scare Kat to get her off her back... Kat's not been the same character since all the stuff with Andy... then her going off the rails... i think it's time someone gave Kat a sharp slap... and give us the real Kat back...

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I don't think she will. What’s the worst that Kat can do to Chrissie? I can see her throwing her catty remarks, maybe having a b***h fight. A few cold words and threats but that’s about it really. She can't dob Chrissie without implicating her daughter. She may as well offer Zoe jail sentence herself. Kat may be a hard nut but Chrissie is more calculating and wiser in her ways. Kat may weaken Chrissie, but I don't see Chrissie's comeuppance being at the hands of Kat.

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I dont think there is going to be a major fight or anything and I think that Kats going to do more than throw a few remarks about. I think that Kat may try to put Chrissie thorough some of what Zoe went through.

Kats only just found out the whole truth and said goodbye to Zoe. Next week will be when it all starts. Guess we will have to wait and see!!

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Originally Posted by Alisha

The affair between Sharon and Dennis is not responsible for Den's death.

If Den hadn't have slept with Zoe it would have been some other poor cow. This would have given the excuse Chrissie needed to destroy him.

Sharon and Dennis fell in love against the odds. Chrissie, Sam and Zoe took it into their own hands to destroy him after being manipulated by him. This was the result.

No one in the situation is blameless at all. I think everyone bears some responsibility but to be fair to Sharon and Dennis, they were not around when this happened and it was Den's obsession with Sharon that was the driving force behind the whole thing (which Sharon had no control over)

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Exactly! Den sealed his own fate! He had serious emotional problems, which prevented him from attaching to his son, and building a proper relationship with anybody. Even his love for Sharon wasn't completely selfless. If anyone is responsible for Den's death it's him!

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Originally Posted by littlemo

Very well said!

Den was the cause of all this grief! Sharon and Dennis had nothing to do with his murder. And they have a brilliant relationship, there is nothing incestuous about it! They will make a great husband and wife team!

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Dennis and Sharon were (don't get me wrong I'm a fan) but just as selfish in this situation as everyone else was.

And as for Chrissie, she doesn't need a comeuppance. She's suffering enough. It's a bit late now for Kat to walk back in and play Zoe's hero isn't it?

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Originally Posted by judejude

I dont think there is going to be a major fight or anything and I think that Kats going to do more than throw a few remarks about. I think that Kat may try to put Chrissie thorough some of what Zoe went through. Kats only just found out the whole truth and said goodbye to Zoe. Next week will be when it all starts. Guess we will have to wait and see!!

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But how exactly will she do that?

I mean don't get me wrong, I can’t see Kat letting it go. I actually think she will give Chrissie hell and make her sweat but Chrissie holds the cards here because Zoe was involved. What ever Kats feelings are towards Chrissie she can’t risk the police finding out because of Zoe’s involvement. Kat will torment Chrissie for as long as possible though and it will make for some great TV. Kat will not take this one lying down that’s for sure, but I do think Chrissie is more than a match for her. However with Kat and the added pressure of Sharon and Dennis being around I do think cracks will begin to show in her character, in more ways than one, lol. I think this will be when we get to see more vulnerability in her character.

However I do think the ultimate battle will be between her and Sharon. I get the feeling that if anyone is going to give Chrissie's comeuppance it will be Sharon. I guess we'll have to see. I await in interest.

I agree Alisha...the problem comes when Jake goes because at the moment Jake is the only support that Chrissie has and she opens up to just before he leaves. How is she going to feel realising everyone has left her and she's really being broken down and is Chrissie the reason he comes back?

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Originally Posted by squarelady

Dennis and Sharon were (don't get me wrong I'm a fan) but just as selfish in this situation as everyone else was.

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Sharon and Dennis were selfish when it came to thier feelings but it does not balance out to selfishness of Den, Chrissie and Zoe.

I dont think Kat's going to make Chrissie pay as such. Chrissie is paying for it every day. I think Kats going to make Chrissie suffer the way Zoe did, but saying that I dont think Kat can make her suffer any for than she is at the moment anyway. I think next weeks going to be intresting.

Yep your right Alisha the ultimate battle will be between Chrissie and Sharon when the whole mess comes to light, which ultimately it will do.

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Originally Posted by Alisha

Sharon and Dennis were selfish when it came to thier feelings but it does not balance out to selfishness of Den, Chrissie and Zoe.

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I'm not talking about a balance because no one will ever match Den Watts on the selfishness scales but you can't help seeing that they were extremely selfish. No one in that situation gave a monkeys about anybody elses feelings and selfishness is what's got everybody into the mess they are in now.

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Originally Posted by squarelady

I'm not talking about a balance because no one will ever match Den Watts on the selfishness scales but you can't help seeing that they were extremely selfish. No one in that situation gave a monkeys about anybody elses feelings and selfishness is what's got everybody into the mess they are in now.

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I wouldn't say 'extremely'. Yes, selfishness did play an element in this but what they had was consume by love but I agree that they went the wrong way about it. The only reason they stalled was because of Sharon’s fear about Den destroying Dennis again. That was understandable given what happened last time. As for Zoe, I'm not going to make excuses for S&D on that part. I really do think they should have handled it better but it was never a case of not giving monkeys. Unlike Zoe and Den, Sharon and Dennis were not planning a life time deception. They were going to come clean. I think the not giving a monkeys applies more to Den and Zoe than S&D because they drove Sharon away by using her infertility against her and then planned to lie to Dennis about the babies parentage for the rest of thier lives. I guess what I'm trying to say is, although everyone acted selfishly, I do believe that Sharon and Dennis bears the least responsibility to the current situation and I in no way hold them accountable for his death. Although Den does not deserve to be dead, he is the author of his own death. It was Dens obsession with Sharon that drove him to such extremes and this is why Chrissie got him back.

As for Chrissie as much as a like her, it was her selfish streak that got Sharon to England making out that Den was at deaths door but she wanted Den to 'lose his baby' and let her go so she can go back to his wife. Sharon and Dennis's action may have annoyed Den and Zoe but not her. Her reasons for getting Sharon back was her way of keeping her husband. In some way she is no better than Zoe –doing anything to hang on to her man.

I agree Alisha but they all did what they did for love, of husband, family, boyfriend, girlfriend or daughter. They were all selfish and could of all gone about it better.

Chrissie wanted Den, she didn't care if Sharon got hurt.
Dennis wanted Sharon, he didn't care about Zoe or Den.
Zoe wanted Dennis, she didn't care about Sharon or Chrissie.
Sharon wanted Dennis, she didn't care about Zoe.
Sam just wanted her pub back and to prove she wasn't a failure to her family, she didn't care about Den.
Den wanted Sharon with him regardless of anyone!

Regardless of to what extenet they were selfish they all were. No one went the right way about anything, then again it's Walford. A debate over breakfast just isn't possible!

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Originally Posted by squarelady

Regardless of to what extenet they were selfish they all were. No one went the right way about anything, then again it's Walford. A debate over breakfast just isn't possible!

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This I won't dispute but the lengths, motivation, intentions and the degree of selfishness is debatable.

Sharon and Dennis' love was a mutual one, the rest wasn't - not even Den and Sharon because his love was obsessive whereas Sharons wasn't.

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Originally Posted by littlemo

Yes but Sharon isn't his real sister.

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Actually she legally is.

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

Actually she legally is.

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She isn't. There is no legal tie binding them together at all. In the eyes of the law they can marry because not only do they share no blood connection but they were not raised together under 18 so prohibited laws do not apply. The hold NO connection to EACHOTHER but they do to Den. :)

I don't think she'd ever do it...just empty threats...

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Originally Posted by Walford Queen

Actually she legally is.

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Nope. She's not.
They were never raised together and because Sharon's over 18 the legality doesn't come into it. If they hadn't been raised together most of their lives and Dennis had appeared in her life when Sharon was 17 or younger she'd be his legal sister, but she was 33...so no relation, legal or otherwise...

Well theatrically they are related because Sharon is Den's daughter and Dennis is Den's son. Sharon is adopted so she is seen as Den's daughter now.

As for Janine she wasn't evil - she didn't kill anyone she just went round mouthing off.

Theoretically they're brother and sister, but not legally :)