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and you still smoke!!
Hiya!!!!!
Can't See Her Really Killing Kat!!!!!
I Mean It Would Be Pretty Hard To Kill Kat LOL,And Would Chrissie Kill Again?????
And What Would She Do With Her,Put Her Next To Den?????
Love
:heart: Melanie :heart:
true but she did manage to kill den who ever thought she could do that(well we all know she was gona)
Yeah,But With A Little Help Of Zoe Slater!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by true.moon
true
I didn't say that I did but as we're on the subject, yes I do! It never did my other children any harm. It's not like I'm a big smoker. Only light a fag up once every 3 days have a drag and stump it out. It's me nerves you see. Shot to pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by true.moon
ok then
how old are you
It's rude to ask a lady her age :p...............Quote:
Originally Posted by true.moon
Good job I'm not a lady then. I think my age is in my profile.
i didnt know it was rude!!
sorry then
That's ok :D
Den's death was slighty different than planning and executing a cold blooded murder somehow! She's not a serial killer!Quote:
Originally Posted by true.moon
The plan was never there to kill Den I agree but she still did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
Still in self defence...I'm sticking by her it wasn't deliberate she was frightened. I don't think the same situation could ever happen with anyone else. I'm scared of Den and I never married him! Poor woman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
But she's got a reason to be frightened of Kat, will she do the same thing? Let's face it at some time in our lives we've felt frightened but we've never went and killed someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
She killed Den but I don't see it as a cold blooded murder but I don’t see it as self-defence either. Her overall intentions were to destroy him, not kill him. When she did finish him, she acted more on instinct than anything else. He grabbed her leg and her instinctive reaction was to grab anything to get him off her. The dog was the nearest thing to her so- bang - dead! It happened so quickly and I do believe that at that point Chrissie was in a state of shock and panic. She certainly wasn't thinking straight and just lashed out. It was only afterwards that she realised the repercussions of her actions. The events after his death though (e.g. burying his body) was cold blood but I don't think the act itself was. About Kat, I don’t think Chrissie wants to kill her. She just wants her to keep quite but I doubt she would kill her to shut her up. Its just threats. Chrissie has to maintain survival and she does it by putting up a front and acting manipulative and bitchy if must, but I don’t see her as evil or a murderess.
Trouble is, Zoe delt the first blow, then there was time for Chrissie to collect her thoughts before she clobbered him again, Chrissie could have just run away. I dont think it was pre-meditated but dont think it was self defence either
I don't think that she could collect her thoughts in that instant. She was walking past his body, thought he was dead, he grabs her leg, she falls to the floor and she just wants him off her so she hits him with nearest thing she finds. It could have been Den's coat and she would have used that, lol! At that point she paniced and acted on instinct. She never had time to think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by judejude
No exactly, but she doesn't lash out at Kat with a doorstop. She tries to scare Kat because when Chrissie scared herself the brave front goes up and all she can think to do is turn the tables and frighten the other person. She doesn't panic and apologize she panics and threatens people. Sam, Zoe and Kat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Yes, she set out to destroy Den for all he's done to her but she didn't mean to kill him. She wanted him to lose everything. To feel what it was like to be her after her husnamd had just cheated on her and got another woman pregnant. She didn't want to kill him, she loved him to the very last breath and she still does now. Her way to keep Den was to get rid of the one thing that Den obsessed over. Sharon. She'd known Den for all of six years and she'd never seen how protective her was over Sharon. Not to the full extent like he did when Sharon was younger so she had no idea that Den would react in such a way. He tried to kill her...he was smashing her head into a fruit machine. I don't care what people say. Den is taller and obviously stronger than Chrissie. Yes, when she was left alone she did make a comment which seemed like she was happy he was dead but her initial shock showed this wasn't at all what she wanted. With him dead she thought the pain would be over and after just having her head smashed in I'm not surprised she was happy he was dead.
So if a man who treated you that badly for six years and then attacked you with such violence was lying on the floor and then grabbed your leg would you really just politely ask him to let go? Because in that position I defintely wouldn't! It's a split second not a reasoned decision. She thought no one else was near her that could help her so what would of happened if he had got hold of her? Strangled her to death or smashed her head in like he was trying to before. In that situation you can't blame someone for lashing out.
She never meant to kill Den and you can see looking back on it now that she would rather the tables turned. When Zoe said I saved you her words were 'I never asked you too'. She's paying for it now. You really think she'd deliberately kill someone and put herself through this all over again?
She did do an evil thing though in pretending Zoe's blow had killed Den.
Yer, she did. But she was scared. When Chrissie's scared she won't back herself into a corner she'll back other people into a corner. She used to be strong and independant and all she's trying to do now is to cling on to the last strength and independance she has left by fighting for herself. Ultimately they were all out for themselves on the night he died so it's not about to change now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
A normal person would crack under the pressure though.
Yer, and she is! Look at Tuesday, she was a wreck. She's jumping when anyone comes through the door. She won't let anyone within three foot of the cellar and when anyone mentions Den she looks shocked out of her skin. She's not going to show that to other people though is she. The only one she's opened up to is Jake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Not really, she's being far too cool about it.
I don't think it was evil thing. I genuinely believe that her intentions weren't to pin the blame on her but to cover all their backs. Do you remember when Zoe hit him first and they all though that he was dead- Chrissie could have went on at Zoe and gone straight to the police with it but she didn't. She was prepared to help her dispose the body to save her skin as well as everyone else’s. Her reasons for lying was to benefit everyone. I'll agree that it was not right and Zoe did not deserve it but she was not punishing Zoe. Look how strong Chrissie is and look how weak Zoe is. If Zoe knew, she would go straight to the cops with it and Chrissie knew this. The mistake that Chrissie made was not going to the police straight away. It would have saved them all this but once they all buried the body (which was under a state of panic) there was no going back for any of them. So if she told Zoe later down the line, Zoe would have cracked and fessed up. She doesn't have the mental stability like some. I don’t think Chrissie got off on her suffering. There were signs of guilty conscience but that’s Chrissie all over. She puts up a front but underneath she is quite vulnerable in her ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Good point Alisha! And just to highlight the fact that she was in fact prepared to help Zoe before she hit Den. Before she was even responsible for his death.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
Thats Chrissie way of coping though. She makes out that she's a hard faced madam. She puts on a face to show who is boss and its her way of surviving but that doesn't mean that she isn't suffering, even though we don't see it as much. It's pretty much behind closed door and it depends who she is interacting with too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
It's difficult to say either way. If Chrissie hadn't of interfered in Sharon and Den's relationship, Den would never have got violent with her, and would still be alive now. It was a really bad move on Chrissie's part. But I don't believe there was any excuse for Den's violence.Quote:
Originally Posted by judejude
Chrissie was trying to protect herself the night she hit him with the doorstop, but I don't know what Den could have done to her, realistically in that state. Den had only just regained consciousness, he grabbed her leg, that's all. I think it would be difficult to prove in court that Den was trying to kill her. I don't think it will end up in court, well not soon anyway but it would be an interesting case if it did.
Yea true, If it did go to court it will be a really intresting case. What will let Chrisse down would be the fact that she/they burried the body. She would be portrayed in court as really hard faced and deviouse women with no feelings, which is not the case.
I still think Chrissie was evil to put Zoe through what she did. Whether there was logical reasons or not Alisha it still doesn't excuse the fact she made another human being feel they were a murderer. They all did something wrong that night but Chrissie did the deed and should have accepted that from the beginning rather than putting Zoe through months of hell.
Yea I agree with that WQ.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Chrissie will get her comuppance from Kat though
How was she to know he would react like that? She had no idea just how protective he was over Sharon. She'd only known Den for six years and only known about Sharon for 1 year.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
So you're saying in that position you would have a reasoned think about things. 'Oh, he can't kill me. He's just regained consciousness, it's not medically possible so I'll shake him off pour him a drink and we'll talk about this after he's just attempted to smash my face in'. I wouldn't!Quote:
Chrissie was trying to protect herself the night she hit him with the doorstop, but I don't know what Den could have done to her, realistically in that state. Den had only just regained consciousness, he grabbed her leg, that's all. I think it would be difficult to prove in court that Den was trying to kill her.
She's accepted she was the killer herself, she just didn't want anyway else to know. She hasn't been kidding herself for the past couple of months. She knows what she's done and she's paying for it. She has been from the start. Maybe part of her wanted Zoe to suffer for what she'd put her through. The mess wouldn't be nearly this big if it wasn't for Zoe's phantom baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Ultimately the other two can walk away from the situation but she can't. She can't ever walk away from this easily.
Look at Johnny Allen and look at Chrissie. Look at the way they reacted and you'll see the difference between a cold blooded murderer and a distraught woman. And I'm not refering to Johnny as a distraught woman!
No she's not paying for it anymore because Sam's no longer getting any money from the pub. I know what you meant though but Chrissie is just acting too hard faced to be a murderer which she is.
She should have let Zoe know.
The mess would never have started if Dennis didn't want to go off with his sister :DQuote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
What's that got to do with whether she's paying for it. Forget the money...I mean emotionally. What she's going through emotionally. Not how much money Sam is getting in. Zoe said she'd been given a sentence for her involvement and so is Chrissie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
I disagree. Den had been cheating on Chrissie for a long time before that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Well it would have been prosponed till Sharon met another bloke!!! it would be avoided it Sharon were to stay celibate for the rest of her life!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Only with Kate which she found out about and forgave him for. It was the whole Dennis and Zoe thing that set off this little corker.Quote:
Originally Posted by squarelady
And numerous times in Spain with different woman. This wasn't the first time Chrissie had kicked off about Den's extra marital activities. She attacked a woman in Spain before they even got to Walford.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen