Jake & Danny were just boring and emotionless :p
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Jake & Danny were just boring and emotionless :p
Do tell!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
The Slaters did have some fantastic plots. I wont dispute that but I think they got really over used afterwards and the dominated the screens far too much which annoyed many viewers. I really was turning into the slater show.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
As for the Jake and Danny, I don't think that they have had too much screen time. They arrived in late December and I suppose in all fairness we did see quite a bit of them but what we mostly had was Zoe lyeing about her 'phantom' baby, sleeping with Den, Chrissie finding out along with his dimeese and since then its mostly been Sam, Zoe and Chrissie. I don't think that they are out of the door for haveing too much screen time though -afterall its the tptb who decide when how much time they should or shouldn't be devoteing to the screen and if they think its too much, they would do the logical thing and cut back.
I heard that Kat learns the truth about what happened to Den meanwhile Zoe is cracking up so Kat makes arrangements for Zoe to go to Ibiza with Kelly but Sam has told the police about Den who are asking questions and have found the body, Chrissie is in the nick blaming it on Zoe and when the police see Zoe is cracking up they come to cart her away.
That's what I heard anyways.
They have been in nearly EVERY episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
Infact has there been an episode Jake hasn't been in? Danny I know, but Jake i'm not even sure! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
We only got to know these characters because they were on our screens for alot longer than three months and thier character evolved overtime. With Jake and Danny -we never got that. If billy left 6 months into his arrival most of us will remember him as the 'cold heartless bully who got of on beating young kids'. Now however we saw him fall for Little Mo and additionally comeing face to face with his attacker. Now alot of people's perception of him has changed. I don't however see him as a gangsterish at all. Dennis another example- if he had left three months after he came we wouldn't have learned why he put his defense and barriers up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Danny and Jake could have been moved away from working with Johnny by the scrptwritters if they really did think they were to gansterish (not that I did)
Yeah we have had one maybe 2 but that's stretching it a bit.
The thing I find funny is Danny is supposed to be this kind of hardman but in reality he acts so camp!! :D
The show is centred around too many males.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
but who hasn't? Chrissie, Zoe, Sam, have been in almost every episodes and they have had more focus than any of the other characters from the new year up until now. I ee want to limit the moon time -they know what they have to do. It's not rocket science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Also usually when new characters arrive, ee tend to focus on them so the viewers get a feel for them. Johnny too has been in almost every episode since he came. I just dont feel they have been overused unlike some characters on the show. Zoe for example has been on almost every episode for the past year!
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Originally Posted by Walford Queen
with the Ferrarah's going and also the loss of Paul, Andy and recent Den -thats 7 males. 9 if you want to include Danny and Jake.
Johnny hasn't been in every episode. Johnny came into the show ages ago if you remember then kept going back to wherever he came from.
Pat, Dot, Jim, Patrick, Yolande etc all haven't been in EVERY episode. Nor has Nana Moon, Charlie Slater or baby Freddie.
It's still going to have Phil, Dennis and Johnny at the helm that's too many dominant males.
Sorry, I didn't clarify that properly. I mean up until the point he came and opened Scarletts and made himself at home in the sqaure. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
The characters you have mentioned are increadibaly underused but I don't feel that Danny and Jake fit into the overused catagory when other characters have taken far more centre stage than them over the past 3 months.
Chrissie, Sam and Zoe have joined them but they can act!!!
I don't see the point of Phil really. As far as I'm concerned -he has had his day. Also even with the three characters above back they are still down on some males in the sqaure and I doubt ee's decision to axe them is because the show will become too male dominated because I dont think it will really. EE have to create a balance and a swift of balance between genders in soaps is likely and problematic all the same. However they should have strategies and approaches to deal with such issues so they can implement changes effectively -not putting the axe for silly reasons (whether that be 'too many gangsters' or too many males. EE have had gender imbalance befor but they still pulled through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Okay then they might not be gangsters as such but they are incredibly boring and have been mostly crime orientated.
I suppose the acting abilites of Joel and Jake are down to individual perception. I find Jake average but Joel good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Tracey -it top. She is the best out of all three. I find Kim and Michelle average. They are not rubbish and I beleive they can act but acting wise -they don't appeal much to me.
I'm sorry but I really can't see how anyone can stik up for the pair of them. Both characters are pointless! JY obviously saw this and thats why its bon voyage! They're going so people (not neccesarily you Alisha) need to accept it! Stop moping around and stop all this gangster talk. Its not the real reason they're going. Its a front or what some peopel would call an excuse to get out of giving a real valid reason...
The valid reason is they're rubbish and are not working out :)
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Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Yeah, I agree they have but it's still very early days and if ee really wanted to move them away from that and alternatively give them other storylines, they could have but they didn't and I think thats what's disapointing (if it was the gangster excuse that it).
I don't find them boring but I think given time we could have learned more of them.
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Originally Posted by Walford Queen
I disagree but we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one :)
We will not. I'm loving this debate!!! :D
Joel can act better than Jake but they're so camp and their characters aren't supposed to be!!! I get the impression if they caught me in a dark alley and were going to do me some damage I could probably talk them round in a minute!!!
What shocks me is the amount of time they've had on-screen and in the process how little we know about them. Shoddy character development if I ever saw it!
WQ, are we the only 2 on here who didn't like them? :eek:
No me too, just dont have anything constructive to say at this time in the morning!
Hi, I'm not sticking up for them. I'm just getting my views across. :) Iv accepted that they are going. I just like to natter sometimes and here is a better place than any. I remember Den fans going on for ages after he left because to them Den's character was really important to them and talked to fellow fans about it. The Danny and Jake ones are doing the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by *JSW*
Just like to point out though -I'm not a Moon fan. Even though I do like thier characters (mostly Jake) they are not my favourates. It's the fact that they have been axed so shortly in the programme. As for the gangtster talk, none of us are certain whether that's a valid statement or not but I'm just talking hyperthetically given the information we have concerning them. :)
It looks that way but I can't be talked round either *JSW* is it the same with you? I cannot see any redeeming qualities. Characters like them ALWAYS have a shelf life. They could have turned Andy into a pillar of community as well but it would have been SO unrealistic.
*JSW* Please remember everyone is entitled to their own views. There are people out their who do like Jake/Danny! :)
I'm sure *JSW* does know that judejude but it is incredible the amount of support they do have. I can't believe so many people would want to see EastEnders axed :(
No, I doubt you are the only two :)Quote:
Originally Posted by *JSW*
They have been on our screens for 11 weeks and in that time they haven't completly dominated our screens. Also I think it's very difficult to learn about them so early on in the programme. Characters mostly unfold after a longer period of time. I feel that real character development takes longer than 11 weeks and sometimes 6 months to a year -just like we did with Dennis and Kat.
Well you know I hated them and I mentioned it even before they were axed.
I hate their characters. They bore the pants of me. Dominate the soap and squeeze any good qualities currently in it.
No way can I be talked round. I haven't heard anything on here that would even slightly change my mind. Why do I suspect they both have such a hug fan base (particularly Jake) is due to their "good looks" :D
But if the interest in this development isn't there there's no point. Yes we might become interested in them once they're developed but in the meantime it's not helping the show when they're boring.
That's exactly why Joel/Jake has a big following :DQuote:
Originally Posted by *JSW*
I am glad we can finally agree properly on something.
I think that's the whole point of character development though. It's very common for viewers to dislike new characters only for them to grow on us longer down the line. The Slaters for example- they were under quite a bit of critisism for thier first year but now people love them (or 'many'). It would be a bit odd for everyone to like them straight away (even though many have)Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
JJ, I think you mis-judged the context of my comments :) I'm just shocked at the high levels of their support. There are currently 3 people on here of well over what must be about 150 people who have contributed who dislike them. It suprises me thats all! You only have to read 9/10 of the total posts to realise that they are liked (and massively OTT).Quote:
Originally Posted by judejude
A major reason I dislike them is because of the time they have taken over with what can only be described as nothing. What has happened of any significance in the 40+ episodes they've featured in? KH1 made too many mistakes and infact I think she took EE backwards and deserved to be sacked if this was the garbage we've currently got that she was churning
Yeah well you don't know whether you like someone or not until you get to know their characters but it's got to have something there originally where you actually think of the dynamic and what their characters are about or could be about. Personally I couldn't care less about finding out more about Jake or Danny if it involves them being in the scenes.
One of Kathleen Hutchison's downfalls was using these Moon Brothers too much. No wonder she was booted when she wanted to axe the Slaters next!!! :eek:
Maybe I have, if so i'm sorry!. I agree with you on this one! but we all need to remember there is a wide age range on this board and you were a bit harsh!! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by *JSW*
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Originally Posted by *JSW*
Hi I dont think that people are trying to convince you. They are just putting thier views across in light of the new axeing :)
I dont fancy Jake or Danny though and I really don't think the 'looks' excuse can be applied for thier huge fan base. Maybe thats the reason for some (and if it is -so lame)but I get the impression that the characters are geuninely liked.