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Good for your wife! Don't let them get away with it, that is what I say.
However - with regards to context....
It was the sneering that was offensive - not the words.
If you call somebody what for in a bright and cheerful manner then it is still offensive!
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Originally Posted by alan45
I've heard of that with other people, the sales person thinks they are beneath them.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan45
A maori (new zealander) guy walked into a car show room, money in his back pocket work clothes on. Got talked down to, and told he couldn't afford what they had on show, asked for the manager.
Got told he was busy, repeated his request louder, manager came over asked what was wrong, pulled out the money and told him he lost a cash sale because of the sales guy.
No sale, no bonus and red faced.
Guy got a car from down the road and really happy with ssales team. I was on the same course as him and we got on great.
It looks like we have all entered a totally new ball game here, but it is my belief that political correctness in SOME respects has gone way OTT. There are many words which are now deemed as racist whether or not said in a derogatory manner, yet a racist term is made to a white person and it is supposedly ok to do this. I can't recall many cases where a white person has been racially abused, yet it does happen. The perpetrators just don't seem to be prosecuted, or it isn't reported as a racist offence.
As I think I have said before, there are many Polish people working down here, and the local people that work with them are finding it very frustrating. They are hard working, and great people, but tell them to eff off in jest and you are hauled up on a disciplinary, yet tell a local person to eff off also, and it doesn't matter.
I wouldn't call anyone by a term that is considered racist in any respects, but I do find that we are fast becoming a society that are scared to say any words for fear of retribution or come backs. People speaking to friends aren't allowed to use any terms that MAY be considered derogatory in case someone walks past them and takes offence!
What happened to "freedom of speech" in our so called democratic society..
I'm not saying that people should be allowed to be racist - far from it! But....there are ways and means and if someone is having a private conversation with someone, yet they can be prosecuted if overheard making an offensive remark......:angry:
JoJo, thank you for saying what I was trying to say earlier. I agree racism does happen to white people on a daily basis, and I can see another war happening because this govt has been pandering to everybody else instead of going out and asking what the people want.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoJo
Racism should be stamped out, no matter who is abusing who. If friends want to do it to each other in jest then let them, if people want to talk about it and use derogatory terms as examples that's their conversation. It's not for anyone else to decide for them what they should or shouldn't say, its heading for a fall out and we'll have a hard job of stopping it.
Racism to me is wrong in any form and yes, political correctness has gone too far. I would love to see Alf Garnett and Rising Damp back on tv.
This is what I call the chickens coming home to roost syndrome. For decades racism went one way i.e. the oppressors to the oppressed. Now we are seeing the reverse happening or what is being labeled as 'reverse racism'. Either way its wrong and there's no justification for it and lets face facts: no matter how PC we get its still going to be there.
I disagree about the freedom of speech. There has to be a line between what is acceptable and what is inflammatory. What I find ironic is that people tend to use inflammatory language when faced with a perceived threat. I've seen polish, chinese, and asians verbally insulted for nothing more than the fact they are over here working. If that is what freedom of speech is about then I'm sorry, something has gone badly wrong.
People need to look at Nu Labour and actually realise that they are the problem. I think we're going to have a whole lot more to worry about in the next few years.
I was meaning freedom of speech as in being able to hold a private conversation with someone and it being between the two of you, instead of someone walking past overhearing part of a conversation and taking offence to a word, even though they haven't actually heard the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Montana
Racism is wrong in any shape or form, but I have also walked down my street and had to walk through a group of Polish lads who feel its ok to not allow me to get past them and to then watch me walking by them, quite frankly worried for my own safety.
I have no problem with anyone, colour, race, sex or creed, never have and never will. When you see a Polish group of 7 people living in a 2 bedroomed rented house, with no furniture, living off of beans and toast, and sending all remaining funds to their families, then you feel for them, but a line should be drawn somewhere, before we live in a silent world worried about what to say in case its deemed as offensive.
As an afterthought....if people are prosecuted for saying racially abusive things to people etc, does this mean calling someone a slag etc could also mean prosecution in the future? Is this any different?
I think what gets me is rumour racism.. (ok I made that up) but when we first start getting refugees we were told that they were given houses by local authorities, cars, clothing and everything they needed so it instill a hatred for these people before anyone gets to know them
I find that the majority of refugees do want to work and do want to get on with life and yet they are been treated bad cause of a few bad one.
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Originally Posted by JoJoI was meaning freedom of speech as in being able to hold a private conversation with someone and it being between the two of you, instead of someone walking past overhearing part of a conversation and taking offence to a word, even though they haven't actually heard the conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Montana
Racism is wrong in any shape or form, but I have also walked down my street and had to walk through a group of Polish lads who feel its ok to not allow me to get past them and to then watch me walking by them, quite frankly worried for my own safety.
I have no problem with anyone, colour, race, sex or creed, never have and never will. When you see a Polish group of 7 people living in a 2 bedroomed rented house, with no furniture, living off of beans and toast, and sending all remaining funds to their families, then you feel for them, but a line should be drawn somewhere.
The way Labour are going nothing will be private anymore. Private means exactly that. Tony Blair needs a reality check. I pray this cash for peerage affair finally gets rid of him.
it doesn't matter if they are polish - surely any group of lads behaving in the same fashion would be a threat?
Some immigrants that lived down are street were thinking of going back home because cost of living here is so high but now are debating whether its worth going back as the Brits have priced them out of their own housing market.
We have a huge amount of Polish workers in Bristol, we've got several in the small company I work in one lives in a house with 11 other poles. The guys I work with are such hard workers they are qualified teachers, accountants etc but they are doing manual jobs.
I was working with a woman who was doing her social workers degree, prior to going for this degree she worked with immigrants. Yes they do go to Citizens Advice Buerau and other places, find out what they can get and what they get is alot more than a native Brit gets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
We held many conversations about this, and she said it's because they are told what they are entitled to we aren't. This is where the whole problem lies, not with the immigrants themselves, but again with govt sectors.
The sooner people vote the sooner we can get another bunch of numbskulls in power, and we'll have to see what they do with the rubbish that has been brought in under labour.