Zoe Slater

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Originally Posted by kat 4 alfie

i didnt mean it like that i just ment that she is / was young and hasnt got the resposibilities and hasnt has as much love experionce as say a 30/35 year old it waz uterly wrong the way she treated dennis but den was threatining that he would tell dennis about the whole preggers thing and that would end the relationship blackmailing a girl in her situation and what shes gone through is just wrong and i dont think zoe is as bad as you all put her out to be dens the evil one !

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Den was not threatening to tell Dennis about the whole pregnancy lie, not once did he say that. He manipulated her into bed but she wasn't ‘blackmailed’ by any means. He gave her a choice all the way through. He suggested the idea and kept on it but in the end it was her choice to go through with it. Not once did he say 'sleep with me or I'll tell Dennis?' Therefore I don't construe it as blackmail. In fact Den gave her many opportunities to back out and said that 'you're here because you want to be' but she did it anyway. While Den did all the talking, she did all the walking.

I see your point about her being young and there for not having the same mental stability as Sharon but she is still an adult, whereas Michele Fowler was a minor (16) so I could generally sympathise with her :) I don't think Zoe is evil though and I don’t think anyone is implying that she is but she does share blame in what happened in the whole saga. Therefore she bears some responsibility, as do Sharon, Dennis and Chrissie but her behaviour has been the worst, but not as bad as Dens. You're right he was the real evil one.

thanks kat 4 alfie, i think exactly the same as you about zoe, she no longer had her mother around and so she became even more attached to dennis, or the infatuation with dennis, she is still only young and her past must still make her quite vulnerable, den minupulated her to such an extent that she aborted his baby, and had a nervous breakdown, she is constantly ordered about like people such as chrissie and den, she is not a a bad person and has been through so much and she's still only 21, and remember dennis still lead her on, by choosing her and then rejecting her again this made zoe even more confused than ever when he's been getting possesive over her flirting with over men, and then putting her in the freezer! lol

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Originally Posted by Alisha

Den was not threatening to tell Dennis about the whole pregnancy lie, not once did he say that. He manipulated her into bed but she wasn't ‘blackmailed’ by any means. He gave her a choice all the way through. He suggested the idea and kept on it but in the end it was her choice to go through with it. Not once did he say 'sleep with me or I'll tell Dennis?' Therefore I don't construe it as blackmail. In fact Den gave her many opportunities to back out and said that 'you're here because you want to be' but she did it anyway. While Den did all the talking, she did all the walking.

I see your point about her being young and there for not having the same mental stability as Sharon but she is still an adult, whereas Michele Fowler was a minor (16) so I could generally sympathise with her :) I don't think Zoe is evil though and I don’t think anyone is implying that she is but she does share blame in what happened in the whole saga. Therefore she bears some responsibility, as do Sharon, Dennis and Chrissie but her behaviour has been the worst, but not as bad as Dens. You're right he was the real evil one.

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no actually he did blackmail her near the end of the storline about the pregnancy thing and keepin it from dennis. he did say that if she did not tell den then he would so that then zoe would have to sleep with him for dennis to stay with her and also den wanted that too .blackmailed/threatened.

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Originally Posted by leanne27

thanks kat 4 alfie, i think exactly the same as you about zoe, she no longer had her mother around and so she became even more attached to dennis, or the infatuation with dennis, she is still only young and her past must still make her quite vulnerable, den minupulated her to such an extent that she aborted his baby, and had a nervous breakdown, she is constantly ordered about like people such as chrissie and den, she is not a a bad person and has been through so much and she's still only 21, and remember dennis still lead her on, by choosing her and then rejecting her again this made zoe even more confused than ever when he's been getting possesive over her flirting with over men, and then putting her in the freezer! lol

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yeah thats exactly it. and people say that they dont like her wineing and moaning , but who wouldnt cry and be scared after all shes been through ? she found out kat was her mum , she left home cuz she thought that it was her foult that kat took those drugs (she thought kat was dead), her mum took her man (anthony) and they were always fightin over him , her mums left home when she was the only one zoe could actually talk to and kat understud ,she was beening pushed around and blackmailed/threatened by den : he threatened that he would tell dennis, she alegidly killed den , and now chrissy is pushing her around , and sam is lieing to her (one of few who she could trust , and who is a good friend in her eyes) !

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Originally Posted by kat 4 alfie

no actually he did blackmail her near the end of the storline about the pregnancy thing and keepin it from dennis. he did say that if she did not tell den then he would so that then zoe would have to sleep with him for dennis to stay with her and also den wanted that too .blackmailed/threatened.

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No I'm sorry but you got it wrong. Den did not once threaten to tell Dennis the truth. I remember correctly. All he did was manipuate her. There was no ultimatum there but psyhcoligical manipulation. He gave her a choice all the way and didn't say 'sleep with me or I'll tell Dennis' She did what she did because she didn't want to lose him and therefore only thought about herself. He said 'if Dennis isn't up for the job, then I'll have to do it' and thats when he continued to manipulate her but in the end it was her choice. She is not a school girl but an adult and an immature one at that.

Considering what she's been through you would mature from it. Zoe hasnt had it that hard. I can think of current characters a whole lot worse and killed to have had a life like Zoe's.

hardly any have had a harder life than zoe, she found out her sister was her mum and her uncle was her dad! she found out kat had never really wanted her, she was used by jamie, then fell in love with anthony and he was stole by kat, she was used by ronny and then disregarded, she then was involved in a bus crash and thought she was going to die, then when she got her crush on dennis i dont think she would of expected to be messed around by him, lied to by him, minipulated constantly by den, chrissie practically ordered her to have an abortion, zoe now thinks she has killed den! and on top of all that her mum kat is continuously dissapearing and leaving zoe alone, many of the squares residents have had hard lives, but not as complexed as zoe's at her young age.

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Originally Posted by leanne27

hardly any have had a harder life than zoe, she found out her sister was her mum and her uncle was her dad! she found out kat had never really wanted her, she was used by jamie, then fell in love with anthony and he was stole by kat, she was used by ronny and then disregarded, she then was involved in a bus crash and thought she was going to die, then when she got her crush on dennis i dont think she would of expected to be messed around by him, lied to by him, minipulated constantly by den, chrissie practically ordered her to have an abortion, zoe now thinks she has killed den! and on top of all that her mum kat is continuously dissapearing and leaving zoe alone, many of the squares residents have had hard lives, but not as complexed as zoe's at her young age.

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Zoe didn't have it easy but 'hard' is not one of them. I think the main problematic issue in her childhood was discovering that her sister was her mother and her uncle her dad and all the surrounding issues but that’s about it. When it comes down to it she was bought up and raised in a large loving strong family unit and spoilt as a child. Not everyone gets that privilege and as for her previous failures in her partners, well that’s what you get when you chase men who are in love with other women. She shares a lot in the blame but ironically enough you never learns from it. The abortion was a decision she made but if I'm to have any sympathy for her it would be her thinking that she killed Den but that’s all.

At Zoe's age, Sharon had just buried her dad and been rejected from her natural parents. But instead of behaving childishly like Zoe, she decided to make a life for herself and move on. Also during Sharon's childhood Den was having his affairs while she had to play mother to Angie when she came back sloshed after her nights out on the binge. Then she had to later bury her later but first her dad. She was left with no one. Then you have Sonia Jackson and look how mature she is for her age. Her big extended family left her one by one at 14 including her mother, got pregnant at 15, had an adoption, her fiancé got killed but instead of acting immaturely she used her goals as a tool. She remained level headed and strong. She has shown more maturity for someone who has suffered a whole lot more. Then you have Kat who was molested by her uncle at 13 and had to keep that a secret. Worst of all though is Dennis whose his mum was an alcoholic (also like Sharons) and used to get her boyfriends to tie him up to a radiator with no food or water and throw him down the stairs. (this was what he told Vicki in rage once) Not only that, he got sexually abused by one of his carers in his children’s home. Characters like Stacey and Billy have also had it a whole lot worse than princess Zoe.

In comparison to some, it doesn’t look half bad. Zoe has always had a family who loved and doted on her and half the things that happened were things that she was not blameless for.(especially as far as men were concerned) so no I’m not at all convinced she had it overly hard.

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Originally Posted by leanne27

hardly any have had a harder life than zoe, she found out her sister was her mum and her uncle was her dad! she found out kat had never really wanted her, she was used by jamie, then fell in love with anthony and he was stole by kat, she was used by ronny and then disregarded, she then was involved in a bus crash and thought she was going to die, then when she got her crush on dennis i dont think she would of expected to be messed around by him, lied to by him, minipulated constantly by den, chrissie practically ordered her to have an abortion, zoe now thinks she has killed den! and on top of all that her mum kat is continuously dissapearing and leaving zoe alone, many of the squares residents have had hard lives, but not as complexed as zoe's at her young age.

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exactly and she became a child prostitute , and got confused about her sexuality and had that short fling with kelly and snogged her, and then kelly left to go to spain ! if any of the stuff that zoe had/has done i would of gone over the rails and left home .
she has/had coped with it all very well , and i credit her .

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Originally Posted by leanne27

hardly any have had a harder life than zoe, she found out her sister was her mum and her uncle was her dad! she found out kat had never really wanted her, she was used by jamie, then fell in love with anthony and he was stole by kat, she was used by ronny and then disregarded, she then was involved in a bus crash and thought she was going to die, then when she got her crush on dennis i dont think she would of expected to be messed around by him, lied to by him, minipulated constantly by den, chrissie practically ordered her to have an abortion, zoe now thinks she has killed den! and on top of all that her mum kat is continuously dissapearing and leaving zoe alone, many of the squares residents have had hard lives, but not as complexed as zoe's at her young age.

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I think, for her age Sonia's had a pretty complex life too?

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Originally Posted by Alisha

No I'm sorry but you got it wrong. Den did not once threaten to tell Dennis the truth. I remember correctly. All he did was manipuate her. There was no ultimatum there but psyhcoligical manipulation. He gave her a choice all the way and didn't say 'sleep with me or I'll tell Dennis' She did what she did because she didn't want to lose him and therefore only thought about herself. He said 'if Dennis isn't up for the job, then I'll have to do it' and thats when he continued to manipulate her but in the end it was her choice. She is not a school girl but an adult and an immature one at that.

Considering what she's been through you would mature from it. Zoe hasnt had it that hard. I can think of current characters a whole lot worse and killed to have had a life like Zoe's.

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i did not get it wrong , have you thought for a monent that you might have ? i remender it correctly , he threatened her in a nice not very odviouse way . he told her that he didnt want dennis to get together with sharron otherwise he will tell dennis about the baby !!!!!!! cuz odvo zoe will not let him do that so slept with him . you were wrong . he said that if you dont tell dennis about the baby then i will ! she did what any young immature adult would have done with all she has gone through , and didnt want to lose dennis like she has with loads of the people in her life death and departure ......... kat.........moe......lyn ......... her 'mum'............kelly........jamie.........'uncle ' harry and anthony truman ! that was before chrissy made her give up the baby !