Well Stacey was nice to Ruby! Let's see if she continues with Bradley! Hmm Jake was good as well. What will the next week bring to us?
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Well Stacey was nice to Ruby! Let's see if she continues with Bradley! Hmm Jake was good as well. What will the next week bring to us?
Last week was fab im hopeing this week will be good to...it sounds really good from what ive read and now that Ruby is back with Stacey i would like to see if she will be different with her this time...i really hope she can
Poor Jake but a great week for EE
OK, I thought I would return to posting here if only to show it's not just me! (or Richie or Alan). Did anyone see the article in this week's Sunday's Mirror?http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/showbiz/kevinosullivan
It sums exactly what I thought about last week's "special". There were no redeeming features at all as far as I could see. I'm sorry if some people are unhappy with that but that's how I feel.
I loved Friday nights episode. I knew what was going to happen cause i read the spoilers but I still had my eyes closed when grant had the gun to his head and jumped when I heard the shot. I was afraid to open my eyes in case it was grant...
I do totally agree that it was way beyond belief, how did jake get to the woods so quick and johnny handing himself in but as he said in the end, if you don't have kids, you won't understand. that is true, all us parents know you would do anything for your children, even give yourself up
Grant therapy happen when courtney was 2, so how come he had the hardman act when he first came back last year???? Again something EE writers over looked
Yeh i knew what was going to happen aswell but was still on the edge of my seat (not literally) waiting to see what would happen...i mean i knew Danny would die and not Grant but i didnt know how they ould do it so it was all exciting watching it unfold and it was so intense watching it
I'm in total agreement Parkerman - you stay with us :D I'm a fan, but I've hated a lot of what I have seen lately and I enjoy reading your opinions along with Alans and Richies - a discussion thread means it contains a discussion, whether that be good or bad and fans should be able to see the good and the bad....keep posting :DQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I totally agree it would be boring if we all agreed with eachother i like reading others oppinions even if i dont agree with them, the fact that i disagree that last weeks episodes were rubbish doesnt matter the fat that people disagree with eachother is wat makes it enjoyable to come in here and discuss the episodesQuote:
Originally Posted by jojomum
Exactly Vicky - and I have witnessed the praising posts from these guys when they have occurred too - they alway give credit when they think its due, but for some of us that have watched from the start, in our opinions it hasnt been up to scratch lately, but then I loved the christmas editions when Kat & Alfie left together....we are all individuals which is what makes our lives interesting :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Vixie-Lou
i watched the onibus yesterday and it was great. aww did you see jakes face, there was 2 things that bothered me thought.
1. when phil thought grant was getting shot he said "sorry grant" and turned his head. i think that phil would of ran at danny to try and save grant
2. why didn't jake shoot danny in the leg so he didn't die
answer to your questionsQuote:
Originally Posted by stacyefc
1) danny would have shot phil and then shot grant anyway so Phil had to say sorry as he was the one who got grant to go to johnnys house in the first place
2) jake closed his eyes and pull the trigger, he thought he would hit his leg or arm but he was a crap shot..
hope that helps
Exactly wouldnt life be boring if we all acted the same and thought in the same way, no one is exactly the same okay you get people that are alike in one way or another but everyone has bits that others dont and just because people like Richie Parkerman and Alan dont like some of the episodes that have been on recently doesnt mean those that do like them has to say their oppinon is not welcome here because people like me enjoy reading opinions and then saying wether or not we agree with them or not, that is afterall what a discussion is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jojomum
Thanks for the kind words people. :) Yes I do give praise when it's due too.
Yes I saw it and agreed with him too. I actually do think (scummy) Bushell's actually spot on in his article about it:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
MITCHELL-IN MADNESS
IT WAS a tough week for Johnny Allen on EastEnders.
Not only was he a secret alcoholic, but the pink elephant he could see wobbling up his hallway turned out to be Phil Mitchell.
Yes, the Knuckle Brothers are back. Hurrah! The soap had fun with them too. "Right Said Fred have reformed," muttered a diner in a roadside caff. Later Phil battered the bloke in the khazi for singing I'm Too Sexy. The Freds should sue. Especially as Phil's version would be: "I'm Too Heavy For My Scales." Talk about Phil Michelin. Steve McFadden looks more like Buster Bloodvessel these days.
Sadly, the only Fred song that the plot brought to mind was Deeply Dippy.
The low point came on Tuesday. Johnny was safely holed up behind his steel-plated office door, with two hostile Mitchells outside.
Ludicrously, drippy daughter Ruby cut off the phone, their one link to the outside world, and started smashing vodka bottles. She then waltzed out, leaving the door open for Flabby Phil, while she settled down for scones with his pop-eyed bruv. The scripting was farcical. Like bad kids' TV. When that skip fell on Phil's car, you expected him to slip out completely flat, like a cartoon, and shake himself back to normal.
As for Grant's "ferapy"... leave it aht. A bloke like Grant would no more see a shrink than he'd eat quiche or sleep with Pat Butcher. Whoops! There I go giving them ideas again. The Grunt we love was a head case who beat up coppers and knocked up conquests on the Queen Vic carpet.
Can we trust exec producer Kate Harwood not to ruin him the way she neutered Johnny?
Probably not. Billy Murray must have squirmed every time his character got rewritten.
This week, we had to believe that strict disciplinarian Johnny would be pushed around by his sulky, spoilt-brat daughter' that he'd give up liberty and lifestyle to keep Ruby (un)happy' that he'd employ a loopy loser like Danny as his minder...
And don't get me started on that pink pullover.
Yep, expect to see Grant get beaten to a pulp before the summer. Probably by his missus.
It was a frustrating week. More fun than Sonia and Naomi or Bert and Mo, but still less than convincing.
BBC1 know that the fate of the show depends on how well this pair of ageing potbellied, slapheads perform. That's why the wages bill for Grant, Phil and Peggy is more than £1 million a year.
But what's the point of spending bucketloads on the talent if the writing is still two-bob?
:clap::clap::clap: very well said... why spend that much on the people if the script is ****
Richie, Parkerman, Alan - I salute you all :D :clap:
The scriptwriting is awful at the moment.
Since when did "gangsters" wear pink pullovers, admit to guilt that easily etc
I'm still waiting for EE to get better again - is it going to happen any time soon?? :searchme:
I think it's lost the plot completely ems. It's never gonna get back to being as good as it used to be, as we all know. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jojomum
Thanks Jojo. :)
I'm going to stop watching again at some point this week, as it still hasn't improved IMO, so I'll be quiet again on here. That will please some people. :) :p
I might dig out some old tapes/DVDs of past EE episodes and remind myself of how great the show used to be, and how rubbish it is now by comparison.
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Originally Posted by Birks_2k4
Its a crying shame to see how far it has gone down hill over the past few years - 10 years ago, I would never miss an episode, especially week specials, but these days - all sky +d and half the time I don't bother watching, just delete them....Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie_lecturer
P.S Richie - you're welcome to call me Ems, just like everyone else :D
Ok I shall call you Ems then, thanks for letting me know. :)
Anything is possible! They manage to make good BBC drama's, they could just as well put some of that energy into making great episodes of EE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birks_2k4
Firstly they need to make the way Eastenders is made more like Corrie. Have a group of script writers working on each episode, not just one person. You can't change the story every episode, it's unrealistic, and completely stupid! They have to realise that Eastenders isn't invinsible, they cut Brookside (which was one of the best soaps ever, in it's day). They've got to do something!
They do have a team of people on each episode. The script writer gets told what has to happen in the episode, they go away and write it, and then someone edits it, they do redrafts etc. The storylines don't change from episode to episode, it just that some script writers are better than others -- not necessarily in terms of plotting and storylines, but in writing dialogue and getting the characters right etc.
O.k, so it's really just about the scriptwriters and how good they are?! It does seem though that writers forget what has been said in previous episodes, and get it wrong a lot of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackKat
Anyway I thought a lot of Friday's episode was brilliant! But I didn't like the rest of the episodes for last week.
I do think it's unfair to put blame solely on the script writers. For example, I think James Payne wrote Thursday's episode. I thought it was ridiculous with the car chases and skips crashing onto the car etc. But that isn't James Payne's fault. If he gets told to write a script in which a skip falls on a car, then he has to do it. And the quality of the script will depend on whether or not he can make it a good scene. Nothing will change the fact that there's a skip falling on a car though.
Thanks for the support people!
There are some things I still like about Eastenders - not many, but some! I like the interaction of the old timers like Dot, Pauline, Jim, Pat etc. I am also warming to Kevin and Jack. But mainly the storylines are a load of old tosh and, for me, last week took the biscuit. How much better would that have been done say ten years ago before everyone had to have an obligatory character change every six months or so?
OK, I'm staying, but be warned...I shall still be fighting for Winston to be recognsied as the great star he is...
am i the only one who really enjoyed last weeks episodes???
I think Kevin O'Sullivan summed it up very well in yesterdays Mirror
GRANT'S TURN FOR THE WUSS
2 April 2006
RIP Grant Mitchell. It was nice to have known you. At least it was when you were Albert Square's resident hard man.
But now that you've suddenly turned into a touchy-feely-softy desperately trying to confront the demons of your tortured psyche, frankly baldy - you can take a hike!
This new unimproved family-friendly "come on give me a hug" Grant gives me the creeps.
In just one crazed week the demented EastEnders scriptwriters undermined TV's top tough guy to such a profound extent that I can't see how he'll ever recover.
With Phil and Grant reunited for the first time in six months, we were all looking forward to some classic Mitchell mayhem. In fact we had a right to expect carnage from the terrible twins.
But what did we get?
Grant's nauseating revelation that he underwent therapy to stop being so violent and antisocial.
Therapy? Grant? Do me a favour. "I was drinking too much," whined the simpering slaphead, "Ended up in a couple of fights. I was going to lose Courtney or end up in prison or a body bag. I found an American doctor. I had therapy.
"Apparently the first stop is to confront your demons - and then learn to let them go."
What a prat!
And with that character assassination the Grant Mitchell we knew and loved to hate was effectively laid to rest.
After this atrocity the entire absurd proceedings descended into pure farce.
While fat Phil enjoyed a spot of schoolboy scuffling with ridiculous daughter-obsessed gangster Johhny Allen, his born-again, peace-loving brother was spouting a stupefying series of advice pamphlet clunkers.
Johnny's awful kid Ruby had to sit and suffer as new-man Grant spewed such agony-aunt garbage as: "Addicts make good liars. I should know - Phil was in the same boat once."
Sympathising with Johnny, who was in the vault busy trying to kill Phil, Grant added: "It's not easy being a dad. Especially to girls. He lost his wife and his kid.
"Everybody reacts differently - but when I lost my wife all I could do was cling to my little girl." No matter how hard she tried to escape!
On and on it went. By Friday's explosively silly episode Grant was sounding like a self-help tape.
Worse still, Phil was beginning to lose his entirely justifiable healthy contempt for the God-like conversion Grant had undergone in Brazil.
Still, full marks to the EastEnders researchers for their thorough investigation of the prodigal son's new South American home. How else could this tip-top TV team have come up with this stunningly well-informed dialogue?
Phil: "What's your local beach called where you go jogging?"
Grant: "The Copa Cabana."
Phil: "Is that where you met your wife - the Copa Cabana?"
Grant: "Actually we met on the Ipanema."
Give me a break! Weren't there any more popular songs you could raid for such marvellously educational information?
I half expected Grant to turn to his bruvver and say: "I don't know if you're aware of this Phil w ...but there's an awful lot I of coffee in Brazil."
Instead Phil was starting to glow under the warm light of Grant's halo.
And he cried. Ahh! "I thought I'd lost you," he wept, "After everything I've done why are you forgiving me?"
"Because I'm your brother and I love you," replied Grant, his arms open ready for a hug, "Now come 'ere!"
Pass the sick bag.
That was the dreadful EastEnders week that was.
While Grant and Phil were discovering their feminine side, the unfrightening weed Johnny was persuaded by Ruby to confess to 40 years worth of murders.
And Danny was shot dead by Jake. Not a moment too soon.
Now can we please get back to Walford - and forget about the mincing Mitchell boys for another six months.
At the very least.
Ermm ok. I actually liked some of last weeks, I liked Fridays episode, the rest were kinda boring. I thought that it was good when Jake shot Danny. I feel sorry for him though. Didn't like Phill, but I liked Grant.. it was better than a lot of the crap over the last couple of months (in my opinion)
i thought tonights episode was quite good as it was the aftermath of all of last weeks events, aww poor Jake! lol Stacey was great tonight in my opinion (as always! lol) She really stuck by Ruby after the way Ruby treated her the last time they met! I liked the Grant and Courtney bit too, they've got a typical father/daughter relationship!
I hate Ruby. She is a terrible character played by a terrible actress. She knew Johnny had killed people before Dennis and she forgave him for it. She knew exactly what he was like. And I don’t give a toss about her whiny reaction to finding out what her dad’s really like, because I’ve seen it before. When she found out before and she forgave him.
Stacey and Bradley annoyed me as well. For god sake, just say that one of your mates is upset and you’ve got to sort it out. You don’t have to say who it is. And just punch Deano in the mouth.
I was disappointed with Dot’s reaction to the news about Johnny. I mean – Johnny Allen was a friend of hers. Dennis was like a son to her. And her reaction to finding out one killed the other is to gossip about it. Badly written.
The Ian and Phil scenes were good. I liked Grant’s interaction with Courtney, and I thought the Jake scenes were great as well, although more of Jake's reaction to shooting Danny would have been nice seeing as it hasn't happened before unlike someone who's name starts with R and ends with 'uby' and just shut the hell up you whiny twit.
Ah Bradley was nice and so was Stacey. Don't you just love em?
Yeah I do! I suppose you couldn't blame Bradley for getting the wrong end of the stick. When you see your girlfriend going into her house with two pizzas, calling somebody on the phone babes (when she's said she's going to pick up some stock), your bound to think the worst. Poor thing! He really made a fool of himself, I felt embarrassed for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
I liked the way he just walked upstairs, and was going to confront the bloke, very courageous. He seems geeky, but he definetely isn't afraid of confrontation!
Good episode! The stuff with Kevin was a bit of a yawn vest, and the Jake thing was a bit boring, as he just sat on his own in the dark, but other than that great! Especially the stuff with Bradley/Stacey and Ruby. And it's nice to have Grant in it, even if it's just in the background.
I really liked tonight's episode. I loved Ruby and Jake's reactions from last week's events. It obviously had a big effect on them. The Bert/Joe trying to get Dot off the scent was good. Dot obviously shown that she can't easily be fooled and be easily led on. Bradley and Stacey are great together as well, it's nice that we are seeing the ups and downs of their relationship. I really felt sorry for Ian with him looking at the photos of Kathy, his acting was brilliant tonight and the boy who plays Ben is a very good actor as well. Overall 9/10 :)
An improvement on last week's shambles but still below average.
Best stuff came from Ian/Jane/Phil. Adam Woodyatt showed his acting spurs tonight in yet another compelling performance. :clap:
The stuff at the Fowlers was OK, until Bert and Big Mo wrecked it. :thumbdow
Car lot stuff was so-so.
Bradley and Stacey - yawn.
Ruby and Jake must die.
That covers everything I think.
4.5/10
i enjoyed tonights episode:
stacy and ruby: it shows their friendship has always still been their, ruby admitted that she was a bitch last time she saw her
bradley: easily wound up, i know the signs are there but i doubt bradley would have spotted them unless deano kept winding him up
phil: felt sorry for him because of his cancelled night out with ben
ruby: when she saw the newspaper it was a shame she didnt realise exactly what her dad was like, no wonder shes hiding in walford until shes ready. but then big mo with her big mouth just blurted out ruby was at hers
yolande still getting on my nerves now the car lot is up for sale beacuse she says it has caused nothing but trouble, yeah yolande im sure it was the car lots fault patrick and pat had a thing
I enjoyed tonights episode, it's always good to see both the Mitchell men behind the bar. And Adam Woodyatt was superb tonight.
poor ian:( first time ever felt sorry for him lol i enjoyed tonights episode!
A reasonable episode tonight compared to last weeks rubbish but compared to tonights Corrie its absolute rubbish
Yes despite the improvements tonight, Corrie was still miles better imo.
The problem with EE is that we get about one good episode every ten days now. What a gratuitous wast of the TV TaxQuote:
Originally Posted by Richie_lecturer
I wouldn't even say it was good, just about average, and we only seem to get an average ep every 10 weeks, not 10 days. :mad: