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I actually really enjoyed it because it was satisfying to finally see some acknowledgement to the amount of hurt they've caused and it seemed genuine...on Lauren's part at least. Brad seemed confused...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I don't even live in Aus, I'm in the UK but I just watch Aus pace, I'm such a loser :p
I was going to respond by listing all the ways you've called other posters liars (without actually using the word "liar") in this thread alone. However, everyone's read them so there's really no need for me to repeat them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
Defending yourself by trying to undermine your opponent instead of addressing their argument is a logical fallacy, by the way.
I'm not going to say any more about this now as I think I've made my point...
Yeah that would be pointless - because I never called anyone a liar, trying to undermine my opponent?? LOL wow are you my opponent??? I think I did address the argument many times thanks.... You like to think that my words were insulting - thats fine I don't care what you think as I said... If I wanted to insult someone there are alot harsher things that could've been said..... And great, because I think I made my point also.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
im sorry that i don't think lauren and brad are as good hearted as others do
No need to be sorry. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I wouldn't say I think them good-hearted though. I think they've been incredibly self-centred and selfish. I've defended Brad's actions in the fire because I genuinely got the sense he tried his best to rescue Terese in that instance, but he's treated her very badly overall.
No I don't think Brad is..... I think Lauren has been messed up due to the Paige story, then Matt dying then finding out he cheated (only 6 months ago), Bailey leaving etc.... and its reflected in her bad choices, I don't think she's a horrible person though...Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
lauren chased after brad when with beth and same when he with tereseQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
lauren chased after brad when with beth and same when he with tereseQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
Well Im not going on years ago, Im going on right now from what I have seen over the last couple of years.... I still don't think she chased after Brad while with Terese or think she's a horrible person.....bad choices Yes,, selfish at times yes.... but not a bad person....Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Summer inhale exhale
LOL I am actually quite fine but thanks for your concern :).....Quote:
Originally Posted by millieq8
LOL I am actually quite fine but thanks for your concern :).....Quote:
Originally Posted by millieq8
I agree that she didnt actually chase after him trying to win Brad back. Lauren still had feelings for Brad when she came back to Ramsay Street happily married to Matt, but didn't act upon them until Adelaide and even then their kiss was a mutual giving in to old feelings from years ago. Why does the woman seem to become most responsible in certain people's eyes and the man almost given a pass because she somehow 'made' him want to cheat on his wife? Brad made that choice and he has to take the consequences of his actions same as Lauren does. I watch at AU pace and Im glad to finally see there was some acknowledgement from Paige that trying to get her parents together at the expense of Terese and her children was wrong. Sorry, I just had to get that off my chest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
Yes I agree 100%, I think people put themselves in the characters situation and sometimes through their pain only see one side and sometimes dramatize it passionately, and I guess that's what we do as human beings if we identify with something - however sometimes we need to stand outside the box and see the picture as a whole so we don't completely dramatize the situation and lose what really is going on... but at the end of the day it is only a soap - and when we get all worked up we have to stop and have a laugh at ourselves because really it is all just a fictional story... and yes yes yes,,, Paige last night was great to watch - lets hope she stays true to her acknowledgement :) :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter
Thanks Summer8. I hope I didnt offend anyone, my comments weren't directed at anyone in particular, we all have ouri different perceptions and opinions but sometimes I just disagree strongly with certain things and need to speak my mind or speak my own truth if you will. But you're absolutely right, its a fictional story made up for our entertainment. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
I doubt you offended anyone,,, that's my claim apparently!!!!! I think we all get a little worked up at times :)Quote:
Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter
Both Brad and Lauren are in the wrong but Brad was the one who cheated on Terese as Matt was dead so Lauren didn't cheat but moved on very fast
As I said previously both Lauren and Brad were very aware of Terese's paranoia over their closeness but still chose to carry on to be close despite all the tension and conflict it was creating in the Willis house
In saying that Matt didn't have a problem moving on before he even died......Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
And Lauren kissed Brad tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
Matt would have done a lot more if Terese hadn't stopped him!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
A kiss due to being caught up in very heavy emotions and planning to go all the way with pretty much a random are two very different things!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I like to think he would have stopped if Terese had not stopped him but would Kyle's mother let him stop :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
Matt always to me was a good family man driven if he did bad things, liked him way more than Brad and enjoyed his marriage to Lauren they worked well
Oh he was ready to go all the way, no doubt there!!!!! A little bit different to Lauren and Brads kiss (and before I get jumped on by anyone,,,, yes it was wrong)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
I never really ever want to be in that situation but do you think knowing what Matt did would help her move on that little bit quicker???
The emotion being loveQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
probably alot more complicated then that maybe, given the circumstances!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Was it Brad or Terese who told Lauren?Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
I think it was Brad, because Lauren was going on about what a great husband he was!!!! Terese was trying to keep it from Lauren if I recall...Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
That was earlier on in the marriage though. After he turned to crime to pay off the mortgage it was a different story!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I agree that the woman often gets the most blame on these situations; it's something I notice because it annoys me intensely. However, I haven't felt that Lauren has received more than her fair share of dislike on this forum. There's only been one instance when I felt obliged to point out that Brad was the more guilty of the two because it was him who cheated.Quote:
Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter
Lauren and Brad both seem to be disliked here fairly evenly. In fact, if anything, I think Brad has come in for the worst of the flak because he failed to rescue Terese from the fire.
I've also made the point that neither is Terese responsible for Brad cheating, no matter how much she "pushed him away". The only person to blame for cheating is the person who made the decision to do so: Brad.
typical selfish brad, jealous of matt, did brad kill matt :p gillyitis is rubbing off on me, bring back mattQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
typical selfish brad, jealous of matt, did brad kill matt :p gillyitis is rubbing off on me, bring back mattQuote:
Originally Posted by Summer8
HAHA, yeah I liked Matt to - even though he did go off the rails at the end....Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
It annoys me too and as i said I wasn't singling out any one person or forum, it seems to be quite a common opnion round and about which I disagree with very much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
While I agree that Terese didnt cause Brad to cheat, if there were problems in the marriage both she and Brad should have addressed them. They both bear some responsbility for the marriage breakdown in my opinion, Terese being too caught up in work, not taking the time acknowledge that Brad was probably feeling neglected and Brad for being lazy about his marriage and not putting as much effort in as he probably should have done.
I don't think Terese is in the wrong or did anything wrong, she was justified in her paranoia over Brad and Lauren which they knew and along with Paige made it worse so much that Terese even turned to alcoholQuote:
Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter
I am Team Terese
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Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I sympathised with Paige at first because she never knew what it was like to grow up with her real parents but what she did was wrong and it's good she can see that now.
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Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I sympathised with Paige at first because she never knew what it was like to grow up with her real parents but what she did was wrong and it's good she can see that now.
I wasn't trying to start yet another debate about who is responsible for the breakdown of the Willis' marriage lol. The point I was making is that blaming Terese for Brad's infidelity is to me another example of vilifying the woman while letting the man off the hook.Quote:
Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter
I don't blame Brad for falling out of love with his wife, only for choosing to start another relationship before ending his marriage. He couldn't control falling out of love, but he was in total control of whether he cheated or not. In my opinion there's absolutely no logic in putting any blame on Terese for the latter.
Amen to that.... and a marriage breakdown is the responsibility of two people......Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle