I think it's only fair to recognise that some people will be upset by the news - we've all got our faves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
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I think it's only fair to recognise that some people will be upset by the news - we've all got our faves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
I realise that but some of us are fans of EastEnders on the whole and do not want to see it destroyed by two complete noneties.
i'm quite shocked theres actually been more to this thread than the shannis thread. Just like shannis this news has provoked both a positive and negative view. As nothing will be done by the BBC even if the majority want Jake and Danny to stay perhaps we should start talking about possible outcomes to the story.
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u can't get rid of danny and jake !!
I know but John Yorke can :)
I absolutely agree with all of you. Why won't it do any good to tell the BBC what we think. I don't understand that. They are losing viewers literally by the million and they don't want to know what we think!. They must be too arragant or too stupid.
JUST FOR THE RECORD WE DON'T WANT THE MITCHELLS WE WANT THE MOONS. YEH!!!
just a thought, but doesn't dennis fit in to the pretend gangster mould like jake and danny? this would suggest he is next. he has no family left unlike those two to tie him to the square, personally i think they shouldn't get rid of any of them
yeah they want ot move away from the whole gangster thing so that means phil and johnny allen have to go too. i thought that ythe gangster stuff was part of eastenders appeal
Although I'll happily see them go I think this decision portrays EE in a bad light. They brought these new characters in and after just 3 months they've got rid of them. EE can't expect a quick fix solution to its problems and axing left right and centre won't help. Soon EE will have a tiny cast compared to Corries and this is just bad. The actors may have not been the best but I think this shows a wrong move from the BBC even though the conclusion is a good one :)
I see a new family soon......
I would think johnny allen would have to go cos he's a murderer as well as a gangster,but phill isn't really a gangster,like den he has gangster connections and he leads a bit of a criminal lifestyle,but he's not a proper gangster.Quote:
Originally Posted by debs26
I hope not! Dennis is one of my favourate characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by rach.green
IF they are useing the gangster excuse -then I feel it's really pathetic As far as I'm concerned Danny and Jake are not that. Andy and Johnny yes! Also as for Dennis, I dont even think that he fits into the pretend gangster either. I think it could apply to him dureing the first four months of his arrival because he had just got out of jail for GBH, loggerheads with Phil, we learned that he was favourate errand boy to 'top dog' Jack Dalton, also finished Dalton and worked for Andy too. However since he became more involved in Sharon, Den and Dot - I feel he kind of lost that gangster lable. I see him more of a bad boy like Danny and Jake and if EE had decided to keep them longer instead of axeing them in the first opportunity they got we could have seen them form strong ties with other characters.
Every character need time to develope through relationships with others and storylines but unfortunately Danny and Jake never got that.
Yeah, i mean you r all saying stuff like they ar gangsters but, what have done to be that? I mean, i know that they have killed people for thier job and stuff but i REALLY don't think the can be classed as gangsters.....well. Not in my mind anyway. ;) rant over
this can not be happening not only are we losing the male totty (Jake Moon) but if this is really the excuse for axing the characters i fear for DENNIS i mean he worked for Jack Dalton, then killed him, worked for Andy Hunter, is Dirty Den's son, punched Phil Mitchell then set him up to go to prison, can you get more gangster connections than this?Quote:
Originally Posted by rach.green
PLEASE DON'T GET RID OF DENNIS, if this is happens i fear death is the only option!!
For some reason i think dennis is safe as long as he wants to stay that is,i hope he does but he did say in one interveiw that he is close friends with leslie granthem,leticia dean and june brown and at the moment junes the only one that's there,i don't think he's a proper gangster but again neithers jake and danny,if EE had wanted to i think they could have moved them away from the gangster storylines,i have a feeling that EE are just using that as an excuse because they are breaking their contract early with the 2 actors who play jake and danny.
i think the one thing that reeeeally riles me is that they kept the damn bore-eirras for so long, despite EVERYONE saying how crap they are and how much they hated them, and then these 2 characters have been in not long, and people pretty much like them, people actually like their storylines - jake/chrissie etc. AND THEY GET RID OF!!!! Like, WHAT THE HELL?!
And as much as i looooved the jack/chrissie-ness today it was still like, yeah well, they're not gunna last.
Dennis is slightly better than them two though :)
Them too put together!Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
Lol! Dennis who can do "Me angry - must punch stuff" or "Sob, want Sharon" - don't think there's an Oscar winner among any of them!
No they won't get rid of Alfie and Nana, they are good, strong characters. People have their own opinions on Jake and Danny, but I have never liked them particularly, they don't light up the screen. I won't miss them when they leave, which is no offence to the actors themselves, I just don't think they fit in with Eastenders.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinamin
I want to see more of Nana she is so funny, and Alfie who is being wasted at the moment. I am looking forward to seeing the Alfie and Little Mo storyline developing, and everything with Kat. It's going to be great!
There isn't an Oscar winner in the new Moons either. Neither can act :p
There isn't an Oscar winner in the entire cast, but I don't think you can say someone can't act when they've have been doing so quite successfully for a number of years.
I'd probably say there are but in a different situation :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Torrie
Both can't act (at least in EE) and I don't see them getting much after the axe falling on them...
Well who knows, but I've seen some people who really really can't act and I wouldn't put anyone in EE in the same category - including the Ferreiras, lol!!
No I don't think Danny and Jake are great actors.
I think all the good characters on EE have something that make them unique, and Danny and Jake don't have that, but Alfie and Nana do. Alfie has a great sense of humour, he's cute, sensitive and cuddly. He's also very loyal, hardworking but a bit of a Del Boy on the side. Nana is funny, she's kind, innocent and there's a brilliant actress who plays her, which makes her even more loveable.
There are some really great characters in EE, Sonia, Little Mo, Kat and Phil are just some of my favourites. They all have great personalities and strong characters. They present something incredible.
The actors can only do so much with what they are given though and I think that's a problem character-wise for Jake and Danny - it's starting to look like they were only brought in as a stop-gap until Phil's return and we already know that Danny was only meant to be a short term character before being killed off after about 6 weeks - probably explains why he's so all-over-the-place - the thought hasn't gone into the writing in the long term.
I love Alfie and Nana and I don't mean to put Shane down, 'cos I think he's fab but it's not exactly a stretch for him to play that role - he comes across brilliantly and I can't imagine anyone else playing Alfie, but where someone else might have to act, he's just being himself.
I don't think too highly on Jake (Danny) in the acting department but Joel (Jake) is good. 11 weeks is a very short time though. I would had have liked to see alot more from them. :)
Are you watching the same character? :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
Joel beckett has no acting ability at all. There's not one inch of emotion. Nothing....just very flat and lifeless.
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Originally Posted by *JSW*
Well, each to thier own..............
Their characters were always going to be doomed from the start. Gangster types have a shelf life they're not meant to be long term.
Gangster characters always end in tears. They go off before most other character types. I forsee a few new additions in the coming months that may take EE in a new direction.
Whatever might be said about the characters/actors, the one thing I do not buy is their axing being due to too many "gangsters" - they're not gangsters or anything like it. The new EP should just be honest and admit she wants to make her own mark on the show, just like the last one who did so by axing Den and Andy.
The new executive producer is Kate Harwood, these two were axed by John Yorke who I'm sure is the best medicine for the soap at this moment.
John Yorke was the one who tortured us with "The Slater Show" though - hope he doesn't pick new favourites to focus on so thoroughly.
I don't really see Danny and Jake as gangsters though. I think of them as bad boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walford Queen
I mean working for Johnny does not define them as gangsters and if ee are useing that excuse for them then the future looks bleak for Dennis, Phil and Jonny. Out of those three, Johnny is the only one I see as a gangster.
If it is the case, then ee could have easily moved them away from his relationship with Johnny and gave them family centered storylines but they took the easy route instead.
Well he's no longer the EP now KH2 has arrived however he has said he's going to be working closely with the show and making it his main drama project :D That can only be good news :)
His plans already sound good enough for me. The show is turning a corner.
Kathleen Hutchison liked Jake and Danny so much she gave us too much of them no wonder they're out of the door :)
They were actually Louise Berridge's idea though and we all know she's long gone!!! :p
Whilst EE did feature the Slaters heavily they had some FANTASTIC plots.
But maybe that's why they're going.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alisha
If they stayed we would have...
Johnny
Jake
Danny
Phil
Dennis
and even Billy
That would be an overload.
Too many of the same type of character and Johnny is working a hell of a lot better than those two. Johnny is going to be changing direction and fortunately for him it's possible :)
Viewers adapted to the Mitchell bros, Dennis and Billy etc because we got to know them. It's these "ferrying packages" left right and centre storylines that I'm bored with and they keep the characters on a 2D level.
And where are they now? Burned out because what else is there for them to do? Big Mo - there's only so much wheeling and dealing you can do before it starts to get old. Charlie - how much more can he let his clan get away with and he doesn't really interact with anyone else these days. Zoe - that girl's been through so much, her next storyline will involve a straitjacket - no wonder she's leaving. Lynn - gone. Kat - coming back, but unless she's more like the old Kat, she might as well turn aound and go back where she came from.
I do agree The new Moons featured a little too much, but my guess is that's how it was written as Danny was initially supposed to be killed off after 6 weeks and they had to work within that time frame.
The Slaters have another TOP plot coming along in the next couple of months.