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what a gripping episode! was expecting the bbc to suprise us by bringing backj grant and phil an episod early!
i offically hate jonny allen now, and i will do till he leaves, but it will be a love to hate siayiation, as billy murray is a fantastic actor and his character is brillaint, but how dare he hurt my two darlings: ruby and peggy, the best characters in walford
Maybe that means your parents have fallen out of favour with the soap, just like many long-serving fans like myself and Alan.Quote:
Originally Posted by .:SpIcYsPy:.
Only Ruby and Peggy you like?
Dad scares me.. he knows whats going on without watching it!! He tells me spoilers I sometimes know or he gets there before me!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie_lecturer
Mum's to busy now with my sister and my lil brother to watch pretty much anything!!
Brilliant episode! It had everything, lots of different storylines going on at the same time. Like a soap should be. I don't think there was any bit of it that I hated.
The Rebecca storyline- It seems to be a bit different this time. Margaret is in favour of the Fowlers seeing her now, and that's really nice. I think Martin and Sonia could be a significant part of their daughter's life. And the girl who plays Rebecca is really sweet.
I was very surprised at the way Johnny grabbed Ruby, and how he spoke to her. He's really losing it. The way they are remind me of the relationship Den and Sharon had. But Johnny is a lot worse than Den because Den never treated Sharon in the way that he behaved tonight.
Poor Peggy. I think she shouldn't have got involved with Johnny and Ruby's relationship, and kicked up a fuss like she has, but there is no excuse for what Johnny did tonight. He can be really evil sometimes.
A little interaction between Sharon and Dennis tonight about Phil. Dennis knows how much Sharon cared for Phil. There seems to be a lot of tension.
Lots of stuff to keep us glued to the screen!
Yes the little interaction with dennis and sharon made me think even though they are married dennis is still jealous that her and phil were together i dont know why she would go back to him :hmm:
Yes Dennis has always been jealous of Phil and Sharon's relationship. Most people probably remember when they had that conversation just before Den came back and before they got together. Dennis was asking Sharon how she could let Phil touch her etc., and you could see Dennis's blood boiling inside of him. Just the thought of them together was torture for him. I don't think all of that has gone away.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelblue
Dennis doesn't trust easily, he loves Sharon but I still think there's a part of him which feels that she could betray him. I don't think Sharon would go back to Phil now she's with Dennis. But she had affairs before, so it's not completely ridiculous.
Wow, Johnny was so scary, first grabbing Ruby, then letting the barnaid taking her clothes of and then friendly turning nasty with Peggy. Tina knows his dark ways, she said that he was reacting peculiar when Pat came round. Good acting by Billy Murray:bow:
Hey anyone noticed that the new barmaid of Scarlett's was in Spooks yesterday? As a nurse?
Yeah and the spoiler we heard a about sharon it not going to do her any favours i dont think with dennis trusting herQuote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
But seen has he did marry her i think he does trust her i just think he is scared at the prospect of losing her but it nice he worries it show in an sense :o
johnny is just pure evil! :angry: i hate him, i can't believe he did that! how exactly is that proving to ruby that he isn't a gangster no more, even from the kitchen she would have heard the whimpering and would have wondered what happened to peggy's hand.
liked the martin/rebecca stuff - it was so sweet! liked how magarat is letting them be part of her life now :wub:
Now what is who it was ???? I wondered where I saw her,, thanks DD:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
So anyone know what her name is could not find it on IMDB, credits were not detailed enough.
Johnny let his true colors show tonight,, no wonder Ruby doesn't want any thing to do with him. Tonight he was one SCARY DUDE..
I wonder exactly how much Ruby heard about that oriental prostitute ( Johnny "confirmed" his involvement).
I did not like one bit of the Martin Pauline Margaret and Rebecca story line,, cos it bites,, keeping secrets from Sonia is not the way to go :nono: Pauline should STOP interfering in their marriage,, and she already knows things are rocky...and lying about the card was another :nono: And involving Martin,, now wait until the pictures come out, theres gonna be hell to PAY.
the rest of the episode was OK...:rolleyes:
didn't really check the credits .. darnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
He's pure evil, Pauline is being an real Monster in law, she's very very interfering an old busybody. I wonder if it will backfire on her or on Martin?:angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by justjodi
'come to tina,im your bad girl' LMFAO :rotfl:
Johnnys response was even funnier
Yuck to much, she never spoke to him like that. I thought she was classier than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by chance
I don't get why Peggy put her hand through to get the cards though!! She must have realised he would do something :searchme:
Her name on the EE credits is Nina Fry, dunno if this helps.. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
Even though Johnny treated Tina badly tonight, I don't really care much as I think her presence has ruined Johnny. I honestly think that Billy Murray would not be leaving EE if it was not for the fact that they made Johnny all domesticated. Johnny is a better character without her. Johnny was very scary when he grabbed Ruby like that. I can't believe he said he would break his own daughter. Scary. :eek:
I don't condone what Johnny did but where does Peggy get off using Ruby in her war with Johnny.
Ok thanks, her name only credits her as casualty and grange- Hill not Spooks, but I'm sure its her. I cannot sleep before I'm sure, it will keep bugging me now.
i have hated johnny allan since he practically tortured jake and danny that night, but tonight was too far, poor peggy, i really like her and i love the elaosnship that enders have fromed between her and ruby, however i wish ruby had seen johnny when he was doing that to peggy, That way she would never forgive him. Has anybody noticed that he seems to have a split perosnality? he was genuinely nice to peggy, then turned evil, he has ceratainly got a few screws loose. Cant believe how that barmaid just stripped for him though, i thought she was someone flirty but as someone said before about tina classy at the same time, i dont reckon much to her now though.
her credits may have not been updated yet with Spooks ???:searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
IMDB is nearly always up to speed with things but thank you for caring.:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by justjodi
or at least told him to PUT THEM THRU THE LETTER SLOT..:searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by jojomum
one thing bothers me if i know my gangster/mobster stories ,, most of these men are dedicated to their childeren even tho they are awful to their wives and mistresses,, seems like Johnny has a bit of a problem mentally.. most gang leaders do not dirty their hands,, even old time gangsters let their flunkies do the dirty work,, okkkkk never mind:rolleyes:
Maybe something snapped?:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by justjodi
I think Johnny is slowly starting to go mad. He has lost control and can no longer keep the gangster parts and family parts of his life separate!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgirl
I can see what you mean here. I guess it shows that 'gangsters' cannot protect their families from who they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
I've not seen the last two episodes so I can't comment on Friday's which most people seem to think was a lot better than recent ones. However, as another who has watched since the first episode (though I did miss quite a few in the first couple of years), I agree with Richie and Alan. I'm sure the characterisation was much better back in the 80s and 90s. Characters like Nick Cotton, the old Den, Angie, Cindy, Arthur, Michelle, Ricky, Frank, Bianca, Ethel, Terry, Irene, Lofty, Mel, Steve....I could go on... all seemed so much better and somehow more real than many of today's crop, though I have to admit there were a few duff ones as well. I always thought Pete Beale couldn't act his way out of a paper bag and then there were Huw and his friend, whose name I can't remember. But also the story lines were more dynamic and gripping without resorting to over-dramatic and unreal situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richie_lecturer
re: "the good old days of enders" - hindsight and distance is fabulous - yeah, enders had its truly brilliant moments before, but we remember some with rose tinted spectacles - i can remember some of the crap as well - arthur going on a game show, tony hills or whateva his name was being a rubbish bisexual. enders will find its way again - and hopefully not just relying on old stars coming back (see grant, phil, den etc). Kate Harwood said in the radio times that they're concentrating more on character rather than silly storylines, i'll take her at her word, but they need some strong new characters soon before everyone leaves - in 2 years we will be anticipating the return of kat and alfie if they don't!!
I've just remembered - it was Lenny.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Scenes with Peggy were like a pantomime, Sorry but all this "round up as many heavies as you can" come on, then cut to Garry and Minty passed out. These storylines are rubbish - all to accomodate characters leaving. The birthday party was a bit rubbishy too, then deleting texts, another pile of rubbish. I am now at a stage where I dont care if I catch EE or not anymore.
I thought Pauline was AGAIN out of line with MARTIN,, she is an interfering old busy body... Martin and Sonia's marriage is on the line as it is ,. they do not need a MONSTER IN LAWQuote:
Originally Posted by no1abbafan
i know pauline should have kept her nose out of it if she hadnt had persuaded martin he wouldnt have gone
i'm so pleased we are now seeing the really evil side of jonny (about ruddy time!) they should have made him that dark from the start
i though the scenes with him and ruby and peggy were really well done....everything before this was awful in comparison- he is actually menacing now...such a shame he is going
I really really enjoyed last night's episode!!
I know a lot of people are glad that Johnny did that to Peggy last night,but i actually felt really sorry for Peggy,and i thought that Johnyn was really out of order to Ruby!!
i think it serves peggy right for stirring things up
peggy hasnt really sirred things up shes just been there for ruby when she wanted answers and a place to feel safe
i totally agree with you shannisrules, peggy did not deserve to ahve her hand jammed in a door! people on this thread have earlier said that they think eastenders have done a bad job with johnny, i think they have done a really good job with his character, he came in the show really likeable and now he is hated! i think that is a really cleverly thought out storyline.