Jake Heaven

:lol: I can just picture Jake trying not to laugh.

I agree Ruby has become another "victim" if they had handled Jake/Ruby how we had suggested" then it would of worked, I also feel that Jake has become a victim too, apart from his character personality which is spot on. They have Jake "playing" the field right, so far not going too ott with it by having every epsiode where he is in bed with someone.
Ruby/Jake has it's moments but overall I can no longer stand Ruby.

Thanks again:)

Maybe I'll record it and then just flick through it:lol:

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Thanks again:)

Maybe I'll record it and then just flick through it:lol:

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You're welcome. :D

If you do record, check out the WCCT storyline (mainly the scenes from Tuesday and Thursday after Jane has got there, Monday was a bit slow going) as well as the Jake scenes, to see if you like it as I found it surprisingly good. OTT and not to be taken seriously, but in a good way. :)


PO spoilers: (Everytime I type then then read it back I read it as "pi$$ed off spoilers. Then again, sometimes that fits, lol.)

Tuesday 12 September
Meanwhile, Charlie and Sean are still at loggerheads and Ruby is still trying to catch the newcomer's eye. She asks Jake for advice on men and blames him when Sean turns her down. Sean has already tired of family life and decides to leave Walford, but he reconsiders when Stacey lets slip that Ruby is rich.

Thursday 14 September
Elsewhere, Sean tells Ruby that he'll have to leave if he can't find a job. Ruby offers him a position as a barman at the club. Jake is not keen, but Sean soon charms him into agreeing to a trial run.

Friday 15 September
Elsewhere, Sean arrives at the club for his trial. Jake is still sceptical about hiring him, but he is impressed at the way he handles things when a fight breaks out.

This webcam snippet is from this week:
Episode 1073 Tx: 14/09/06
RUBY: I'm sick of you telling me what to do!
JAKE: I am not getting in the sandpit with you, Ruby. The answer's no.
RUBY: I hate you!

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I think this is a wait and see week. Could be bad (Ruby blaming Jake about Sean turning her down :rolleyes: , Sean's charm working on Jake.:nono: ) Could be alright (Jake's still sceptical even after Sean's charmed him into the trial run, and Ruby asking Jake's advice on men could be amusing if written right. Yeah, I know, wishful thinking.:rolleyes: )

They are spoiling us with Jake now! (Even though it's not that brilliant)
Maybe Sean will have something to do with Jake leaving, Jake could end up getting caught up in the middle of whatever is going on between Sean/Al or pushed out of the club?
Afterall Jake's exit will have to start building soon!

Thanks for all your help:)

P.S :rotfl: at PO spoilers and your comment at the beginning.

Enjoyed Easties this week epsec the WCCT stuff, very funny:)

I really like Rob and Al.

However very disappointed at the Jake scenes (no critism on Joel as he can only work with what he is given) Brat and Jake aren't working. Every time Jake is on with brat things fall flat for me, but when he is on with other characters things are good. However I did like the confrontation with Al when he asked him to leave the club, the look said it all, also the scene with brat before Jake went to the C&C it was his expression, he kept sucking his bottom lip in:love: (Cute and sexy)

PO Spoilers.

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Meanwhile, Jake becomes wary of Sean and warns him to stay away from Ruby.

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I definitely think this is Jake's exit. Hopefully he leaves of his own accord though, not because he's forced out.

Maybe he's the one who tips Johnny off about Sean? I can't see him wanting to do it, as he knows what Johnny's like and that Ruby would hate him for it...but maybe as a last resort? :searchme:

Yeah I reckon so. He'd see Ruby in trouble and realise it was the only way to get Sean away from her. He'll probably come into some run-ins with Sean himself first, and realise he can't handle him on his own.

I'm almost certain that Johnny and Jake's exit will be connected in some way.

Sean dates Ruby for her money and so he can get his hands on the club. Jake realises what Sean is up to and the only way
he can stop this from happening is to involve Johnny. Johnny tries to intervene unsuccessfully and ends up dead, Jake is then threatened or an attempt made on his life so he is forced to leave walford. All this will be down to Sean Slater who realises that both Jake and Johnny have to be removed from the picture inorder for his plan to work.

Whatever happens it will all be Brat's fault who I'm sure will get hers come November


So Jake's exit I'm sure will involve Brat/Sean/Johnny

I hope if it is Jake who gets Johnny involved, we get to see a scene with them (Jake visiting Johnny in prison etc). I'd love to see Jake telling Johnny where to go one last time, especially as it was Johnny who manipulated Danny into killing Dennis, leading to Jake shooting Danny. And then Johnny just assumed he would have no problem in running the club and taking responsibility for Ruby, like he owed Johnny anything. :mad:


"You really are full of it."
"What you gonna do Johnny, you gonna kill me twice?"
"The truth is, you're just a thug who's caused more pain then he's ever felt."


Yeah, I just watched that episode again. Ah, good times. :wub:

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"You really are full of it."
"What you gonna do Johnny, you gonna kill me twice?"
"The truth is, you're just a thug who's caused more pain then he's ever felt."


Yeah, I just watched that episode again. Ah, good times. :wub:

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They certainly were:wub: And I'll always remember Jake/Carly :wub:

I have a feeling that all this Johnny return stuff and Jake's exit will be the final lose end that Enders have planned to end that era:crying: Espec as Johnny gets killed off in October.

The producers have made it now so that Jake is no longer a part of things and they have been doing this ever since his return last year by deliberately pushing him further and further into the background and leaving him out of all the main action. He has just been used as a quick fill in. He was an excellent character who could of been part of the "new" enders, but I think that they who stuff things up never intended him to be .:angry:

I really feel for Joel and hope that he is very successful once he has escaped:) Still hopefully he got a nice wodge out of them:)

Yes I hope we have one final scene between Jake/Johnny where Jake gives Johnny one final "insult" or "home" truth

Nothing much in the mags this week. It's just what we already know from the PO spoilers.


Phil and Billy get into a fight at Scarlets, and it says Jake breaks it up. There's a pic of Jake holding Billy back. Jake's wearing a very nice black suit. :wub:

Bit confused about the fight to be honest though, because they all say it's Jake that breaks it up -- but I thought it was Sean as that's when he impresses Jake by the way he handles it. Unless there's two fights that night....:searchme:


Not much else apart from a quote in the interview with Louisa about the Sean storyline:

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So at least Louisa knows what the Ruby&Jake storyline should be about even if the writers don't. :p


To Babe14: I'll be on holiday next week, so we'll both be watching the omnibus for these episodes. Just telling you so you don't think that they're either so wonderful or appalling that I'm speechless, lol. :rotfl:

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Bit confused about the fight to be honest though, because they all say it's Jake that breaks it up -- but I thought it was Sean as that's when he impresses Jake by the way he handles it. Unless there's two fights that night....:searchme:

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To Babe14: I'll be on holiday next week, so we'll both be watching the omnibus for these episodes. Just telling you so you don't think that they're either so wonderful or appalling that I'm speechless, lol. :rotfl:

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:rotfl: and thank you for keeping me/us updated about everything.

As you may or may not of noticed I'm not posting much at the moment, (anywhere)reason being that I can't really be bothered, plus I have other things which I want to get on with:)

Have a wonderful holiday and don't worry I'll pop on and discuss the Jake scenes with you. (and maybe we'll even discuss a bit of Emmerdale):)

Thanks again

P.S. Easties was O.k last week, a bit slow but I enjoyed Max/Bradley scenes and the way Max was trying to help Stacey/Bradley.

P.S.S Do you want me to write any synopsis etc in the E/dale thread for you?

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As you may or may not of noticed I'm not posting much at the moment, (anywhere)reason being that I can't really be bothered, plus I have other things which I want to get on with:)

Have a wonderful holiday and don't worry I'll pop on and discuss the Jake scenes with you. (and maybe we'll even discuss a bit of Emmerdale):)

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It's okay, I know how it is when things get busy -- I'm off to uni in a few weeks so I'm not sure how often I'll be able to come on the board myself. I hope I'll be able to pop in as well to discuss Jake's exit, and of course I'll still be watching Emmerdale (unlike a certain other soap once a certain character leaves ;) :p ) so I'm gonna carry on posting there when I can.

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No, it's okay. I'll be recording Emmerdale so I'll be able to watch it when I get back. Thanks for the offer though. :D

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It's okay, I know how it is when things get busy -- I'm off to uni in a few weeks so I'm not sure how often I'll be able to come on the board myself. I hope I'll be able to pop in as well to discuss Jake's exit, and of course I'll still be watching Emmerdale (unlike a certain other soap once a certain character leaves ;) :p ) so I'm gonna carry on posting there when I can.

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Good luck with uni:)

To be honest I just roughly watch Easties, I'm nearly always doing things whilst it's on so I hardly ever sit through the full two hours these days, I record at the same time in case I miss anything. I think Sean Slater will be turned into Grant II which will ruin the first impression you had of the character, but still it is to be expected:lol: :rolleyes:

I'm sure will catch up with each other in the Jake thread at some point regarding his exit storyline, which I have a feeling could be a disappointment (Go on Easties prove me wrong...:lol: ) In the future though I think I may well end up ditching Easties altogether, Emmerdale however is a different matter.:)

Joining in I did try and stay loyal to eastenders but it is so boring these days even I dont want to watch it anymore,apart from the odd moment with jake it is very boring,

the only thing on tv which I have is hollyoaks which keeps me sane.

If ee where to end tommrow I now wouldnt care because right now brooksides dying day was more exciting

when Jake goes there wont be one character that I actually like how sad is that!?

(oh wait I tolerate mickey miller and *ahem* gus)

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Thank you. :) I'm looking forward to it, but I don't think the "living away from home for the first time," has really hit me yet. :lol:

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It's looking like his exit is just a plot point in the Ruby/Sean storyline, :rolleyes: Like Danny, we'll probably get one episode of "Let's rush through all the character development," and then a crappy exit. (Except Danny's exit wasn't so crappy.)

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(oh wait I tolerate mickey miller and *ahem* gus)

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My problem isn't even that I don't like them. It's that I don't care about most of them. I'd rather hate all the characters than have just complete indifference to them.

I did like Stacey/Bradley but now that's beginning to annoy me. And I like Max -- but not enough to keep me watching just for him.

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Thank you. :) I'm looking forward to it, but I don't think the "living away from home for the first time," has really hit me yet. :lol:

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I did like Stacey/Bradley but now that's beginning to annoy me. And I like Max -- but not enough to keep me watching just for him.

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Stacey/Bradley are very good but they are fast becoming boring, reason I see Overuse,as was Denise/Kevin etc, characters who are in your face all the time, even the ones we adore will become boring if they hog all the action.
Max is good but how long will it be before he too becomes overused. Sean Slater I'm going off already after only two weeks, reason being I can see him being a victim of cloned personality.

IMO Jake was his own character one with a different personality from what we had before, o.k there were some slight resemblences to past/pres characters but not a lot, however he was hardly ever used and apart from the Johnny/Danny stuff , was never given any juicy storylines. The Ruby/Jake realtionship has been handled wrongly and has become a big disappointment. A lot of the Jake scenes now seem pointless, all they have Jake doing is clearing glasses and walking back and forth behind the bar at Scarlets or arguing with Brat. They have handled the characters personality correctly but with the other hand have destroyed the character.

So once Jake has left Easties will lose three more viewers who will be more dedicated than ever to their preferred soap: D1 - Hollyoaks, BK and Babe14 Emmerdale.
glug..
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Max is good but how long will it be before he too becomes overused. Sean Slater I'm going off already after only two weeks, reason being I can see him being a victim of cloned personality.

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I think this is another problem as well because of how badly they've used Jake's character this year and messed up other characters as well -- I don't "trust" the show anymore. So now even when I like characters like Max, I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for them to mess him up aswell. :mad:

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I think this is another problem as well because of how badly they've used Jake's character this year and messed up other characters as well -- I don't "trust" the show anymore. So now even when I like characters like Max, I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop and for them to mess him up aswell. :mad:

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And I think they will. At the moment with Max we are finding out a lot about Jim's past which I like and there seems to be a lot of twist and turns in both Max's character and the "family" history. I liked the more caring side of max which we saw last week, I really thought he'd be all for getting rid of the baby.
I agree you can't trust the "show" anymore. I think this is the worst producer they have ever had. I've started watching a couple of old episodes on Gold (Andy Hunter:wub: when he started to come into the show) and you can see how it has gone down hill since 2003. (Producers at the time were Julia Smith/Tony Holland, shame they aren't around anymore, ah the good old days that were..and I'm sure they wouldn't of under used Jake or ruined the characters potential.

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Tuesday 26th September
Elsewhere, Jake is annoyed when Sean skips work to spend time with Ruby.

Friday 29th September
Meanwhile, Jake is uncomfortable with Sean working at the club. He tells Ruby that things aren't working out but, when he can't give her a reason to get rid of Sean, she insists he stays. Later, Jake thinks that he can play Sean at his own game but it doesn't all go to plan.

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I bet Jake's exit is running scared from Sean. :wall: :rolleyes: Because he can look Johnny Allen and his gun in the face and tell him to go to hell, but Sean Slater and his inane grin is "OMG, too much to handle!?!?11!" Whatever, EastEnders. WTFever. :rolleyes:


Just leave the brat to it, Jakey. Alternatively, seeing as you have access to the club accounts -- clean them out and go on a very long holiday. :p


Edit: The other exit storyline I would accept is if it turned out Jake was masterminding the entire thing -- pretending to be scared of Sean, so that he "has" to get Johnny involved, knowing that things between Johnny and Sean would most likely escalate into a fight that Johnny wouldn't win -- all in order to get revenge on Johnny for what he did to Danny. Not to mention leaving him in charge of Ruby for the past few months.

...And then Jake cleans out the club accounts and goes on a very long holiday. :p

Now, admittedly, this would also be a character change for Jake, as he hasn't previously shown any inclination towards this sort of behaviour...but in this case, I really wouldn't care.

lol How funny is that...

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Because he can look Johnny Allen and his gun in the face and tell him to go to hell, but Sean Slater and his inane grin is "OMG, too much to handle!?!?11!" Whatever, EastEnders. WTFever

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that really made me laugh,

I know sean is meant to be a big bad psycho and whatever but EE in all fairness Jake isnt a little boy he can handle himself they cant expect us to belive after he watched andy die,stood by chrissie and killed danny that jake would actually be scared of a SLATER........

as there is no confirmation maybe jake gets killed? or maybe jhonny asks him to help him escape and he gets arrested by the police?

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that is a very sad way to put it....and sadly jake heaven will then cease to exist.....although I'm sure will be united again when there is "constructive" criticizm of the state of eastenders like the majority of the boards already are doing (e.g boycotting it even further)

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that is a very sad way to put it....and sadly jake heaven will then cease to exist.....

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They may take our character. They may even take our thread. But they will never take our FREEDOM!...er, I mean...our HEAVEN!



Before anyone asks...I don't know what I'm going on about either.

EE can never take Jake Heaven from us....it may be shut down once jake leaves and EE may forget jakes very excitence to shut us the majority up.....but we shall have Jake heaven.

soon we will be classed like the old shannis and kalfie fans

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I bet Jake's exit is running scared from Sean. :wall: :rolleyes: Because he can look Johnny Allen and his gun in the face and tell him to go to hell, but Sean Slater and his inane grin is "OMG, too much to handle!?!?11!" Whatever, EastEnders. WTFever. :rolleyes:

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:angry: Exactly and their perfect revenge on us.

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Edit: The other exit storyline I would accept is if it turned out Jake was masterminding the entire thing -- pretending to be scared of Sean, so that he "has" to get Johnny involved, knowing that things between Johnny and Sean would most likely escalate into a fight that Johnny wouldn't win -- all in order to get revenge on Johnny for what he did to Danny. Not to mention leaving him in charge of Ruby for the past few months.

...And then Jake cleans out the club accounts and goes on a very long holiday. :p

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That would be the perfect exit, complete with a very satisfied smile on his face. (Yep I can just picture it all now..)

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Now, admittedly, this would also be a character change for Jake, as he hasn't previously shown any inclination towards this sort of behaviour...but in this case, I really wouldn't care.

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Not so sure it would be as he can be pretty mean when he wants to be (re aftermath of Danny), scenes with Johnny and to me Jakey has always had a gangsterish look about him. No our Jakey can be a really bad boy when he wants to be..
I hate Easties:angry:
Maybe Joel will show up in Emmerdale:lol: (um just imagine him covered in mud...top off...)

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what an exit eastenders........he gets a dodgy phone call and does a runner?

PICTURE THIS SCENE
jakes in scarletts the phone rings
jake:hello
phone:hello is ben there?
Jke:ben who?
phone:Ben dover
jake shouts to the bar:is there a ben dover here...ben dover anyone?

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She's gonna mention Danny. I know it. Ruby lets slip, Sean calls the police, Jake gets arrested, Jake manages to tip off Johnny about Sean, and then Johnny gets out of prison, and...oh, wait by this time I've stopped watching.


I'm glad Ruby defends him...but if her method of defending him somehow includes "Oh, but he's not a bad guy, despite what him shooting his brother and burying the body in a shallow grave on my father's estate in Essex might look like...oh, oops I shouldn't have said that," I'd rather she hadn't bothered. :mad:

:angry: I just knew they'd give Jake a duff exit, it had BETTER NOT be a B*****prison exit

I tried to write a good review of last weeks episode (todays omnibus). But it seemed to consist of a lot of "That was b*llocks," or variants of the word, and not a lot else.

And that's before I got to the Jake/Ruby/Sean storyline. ;)


Okay, positives first. The scene where Ruby talked to Sean about Jake "losing" his family, so he didn't trust people, and that he saw Ruby as a little sister was nice, as it showed Ruby does actually see Jake as a person, not just a punchbag for when she feels a brat attack coming on. (She really needs to get that ailment seen to.) I also liked Jake’s “Trojan Horse,” line, and the coke can trick. (Kinda immature, but I hate Sean so even if Jake had stuck “Kick Me Hard,” on Sean’s back I wouldn’t have cared.) I also liked Jake covering for Pat in the bookies, although I'd have liked more to see an actual scene between them.

But other than that, crap.

This storyline isn't going to be about Jake. It won't even be about Ruby. I mean what happened to Ruby asking Jake for advice on men? A scene that actually might show some friendship between them?...Oh no, can't have that. I think we're supposed to think that Jake and Ruby are actually friends, that they get along most of the time...but how are we supposed to know that when all we get shown are the bratty scenes?

And it's not even Ruby anymore, because like I said before, she's even more of a victim of the scriptwriters than Jake is. I mean, last year she falls hook, line and sinker for Juley's crap. This year she does the same with Sean. It doesn't make her a stupid person, it makes the people writing her stupid because she has not grown at all. Surely finding out your first real boyfriend, the person you lost your virginity to, was actually paid to be with you, would knock you back, make you less likely to trust someone. But no, she's still the lame bratty plot device she's been since last October, waiting for big hard gangster man Johnny to ride to the rescue.


And Jake? - Yeah, he's still mostly in character...but he's underused, when he is used the majority of the time it's in crap scenes, and honestly I hope next Friday's PO spoilers have his exit in so we can just get it over and done with.

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I tried to write a good review of last weeks episode (todays omnibus). But it seemed to consist of a lot of "That was b*llocks," or variants of the word, and not a lot else.

And that's before I got to the Jake/Ruby/Sean storyline. ;)


Okay, positives first. The scene where Ruby talked to Sean about Jake "losing" his family, so he didn't trust people, and that he saw Ruby as a little sister was nice, as it showed Ruby does actually see Jake as a person, not just a punchbag for when she feels a brat attack coming on. (She really needs to get that ailment seen to.) I also liked Jake’s “Trojan Horse,” line, and the coke can trick. (Kinda immature, but I hate Sean so even if Jake had stuck “Kick Me Hard,” on Sean’s back I wouldn’t have cared.) I also liked Jake covering for Pat in the bookies, although I'd have liked more to see an actual scene between them.

But other than that, crap.

This storyline isn't going to be about Jake. It won't even be about Ruby. I mean what happened to Ruby asking Jake for advice on men? A scene that actually might show some friendship between them?...Oh no, can't have that. I think we're supposed to think that Jake and Ruby are actually friends, that they get along most of the time...but how are we supposed to know that when all we get shown are the bratty scenes?

And it's not even Ruby anymore, because like I said before, she's even more of a victim of the scriptwriters than Jake is. I mean, last year she falls hook, line and sinker for Juley's crap. This year she does the same with Sean. It doesn't make her a stupid person, it makes the people writing her stupid because she has not grown at all. Surely finding out your first real boyfriend, the person you lost your virginity to, was actually paid to be with you, would knock you back, make you less likely to trust someone. But no, she's still the lame bratty plot device she's been since last October, waiting for big hard gangster man Johnny to ride to the rescue.


And Jake? - Yeah, he's still mostly in character...but he's underused, when he is used the majority of the time it's in crap scenes, and honestly I hope next Friday's PO spoilers have his exit in so we can just get it over and done with.

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Excellently written and I agree 110%:clap:

I found the can trick funny and I liked the way Jake went "oops" he had that lovely mischievious child look on his face. I thought he looked lovely dressed from head to toe in black.
Also I liked the way he handled the fight between Billy and Phil. Jake showed his calmness and maturity, whereas Sean showed his "loose Cannoness", Jake was strong and in control in this scene, he kept Sean inline. I liked the way Phil apologised to Jake, you hardly ever here Phil apologise to anyone for anything. (This to me showed that Phil has respect for Jake)Afterwards Jake kind of disciplined Sean over the way he handled things, Sean was all for getting stuck in but Jake wasn't having any of it and he let Sean know. Overall this scene portrayed Jake as strong.
The scene with Sean/Jake where Jake was showing him the ropes and told him he has to keep the women in the club, that way the men will stay all night, I liked the way Jake kept calm and pleasant after that woman told him that she has heard all his lines before but no offence. Jake just calmy went "none taken" but then his face changed once he turned away, he looked miffed and had his angry look on his face.

I have the impression that Jake doesn't like Sean at all (he's not alone:lol: )and probably doesn't trust him either and is just giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Bookie Scene - Nice to see Jake have a change of scenery and when Sean walked in bored and started messing about with things, I sort of had the impression that Jake thought he had traits of Danny's behaviour about him, I know I did!

Although I liked some of the Jake scenes I wasn't impressed and am extremely angry about what they have done with the character,o.k they haven't given Jake a personality transplant they have been consistent and kept him in character (well most of the time) but the character has been a victim in another way, no storylines not even for an exit. Jake has never really had his own storyline since returning he has always been a part of a storyline. What a B***** waste of potential and excellent acting ability.
Role on exit day so we don't have to suffer anymore of the crap. Hopefully Joel has escaped by now and moved on to much better things or heading towards them (Go to ITV1 mate!)
Overall Enders was a load of crap and that is one thing they never fail to disappoint us in

A couple of comments from Kate Harwood's interview with Inside Soap, previewing the rest of the year, and how her team has "put the 'wow' factor back into Walford." (For my sanity, I will assume by this they mean the "Wow, I can't believe how bad this is," factor.)

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*is totally absolutely calm. Really.*


Anyway, next week. Same old same old. Sean sleeps with some rep from the brewery (or something), Jake finds out. Jake tries to set them up so Ruby will see them together, but when they walk in Sean and the rep are just working.

I'm just so gosh darn excited! Can't you tell!

*is still totally calm*



I hate this show.

One thing I love about you blackKat is your sense of humor hands down your the funniest person I have met on this site I am just a mere apprentice of your humor, that last post really had me laughing because its so darn true...


However I didnt read the interview in fact I skipped those pages today in inside soap about the feature on eastenders I didnt with the other soaps on previous weeks because you actually know are going to have something explosive on emmerdale and corrie to look forward to but our money I mean eastenders is going to deal with more crap storylines and recycled characters to "entertain" us,

sadly it wont

pauline fowler kicking the bucket means nothing to me and the crap with ruby can rot just like the scripts because like BK said its just like last year just without phil growling about jhonny allen to juley (and kate harwood says we're not going in circles) .No doubt the powers that be will make Jake to be the coward he seemed when the mitchells returned last year because it will fit in with their current storyline not because it makes sense..like ok the guy killed his brother lets have him scared of a 22 year old unempolyed ex-squadie so much so he legs it after telling jhonny!!!FANTASTIC STORYLINES GUYS KEEP IT UP!!!

Next week in Inside Soap Comments From Babe14 and co

Your comment about Sean Slater being the possible reason for Jake/Louisa leaving is a load of doodah as he was brought into the show once Joel decided to leave up to which point I believe a decison hadn't been made regarding bringing the character into the show.

The real reason for the character Jake to be exiting the show is due to lack of storylines and viewing time for which there is no excuse as you have had endless suggestions for possible future storylines for the character. It is down to you and your writing department that Jake has now become non existent in the show and when he does appear on screen we are very disappointed as he is just given crap to do, I mean he hasn't even got an exit storyline!!

O.K there are some good new characters in the show, Max/Tanya/Bradley/Rob but how long is it going to be before these characters fall victim to poor storylines and either, lack of viewing time or over exposure?
IMO Sean Slater has already fallen victim, he was a character who on first appearance I thought he was going to be a very good character, however last week the character rapidly lost his appeal.
No sorry Kate from a viewer of 22 years the soap is way below standard and once I have witnessed the apaulling exit that it appears you have planned for "Our" Jake I too will be exiting.

Note: Do you have any writing vacancies available please, as I am hoping to pursue a career in writing :lol:

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And I think it's fair to say that without Sean both Ruby and Jake might have been staying.

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Hang on a sec I thought it was Joel's decision to leave the soap? Does this mean my suspicions were correct he was given a helping hand and it has been made to look like his decision so they don't get all the flack they had first time around?

The only letters they would get this time would be to congratulate Joel on making the right decision and telling him to run like hell!

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I hate this show.

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me too and I hope we don't have to suffer much more of it for to long, please let our Jake leave within the next couple of weeks.

P.S :rotfl: at your comments

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Hang on a sec I thought it was Joel's decision to leave the soap? Does this mean my suspicions were correct he was given a helping hand and it has been made to look like his decision so they don't get all the flack they had first time around?

The only letters they would get this time would be to congratulate Joel on making the right decision and telling him to run like hell!

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What I meant was that I think if in Joel's case they had given him decent storylines and a decent amount of screentime he may have stayed. Obviously I can't say for sure, as...well, I'm not Joel so I don't know what the decision was, and it may have been that he wanted to move on anyway, and, yes, it may also have been that he was pushed. But when you have a character constantly shoved to one side and then the actor quits it's not a huge leap of logic to connect the two.

And in Louisa's case, if they'd given half a second to actually think about the character of Ruby and decide which direction to take in her next, based on her personality and who she is, not on what 'explosive' "Johnny returns" plots they can wrangle out of her, then they wouldn't be in a position of "Oh, what can you do with someone who owns half the Square."

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One thing I love about you blackKat is your sense of humor hands down your the funniest person I have met on this site I am just a mere apprentice of your humor, that last post really had me laughing because its so darn true...

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:lol: Lol, thank you. :D :)

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What I meant was that I think if in Joel's case they had given him decent storylines and a decent amount of screentime he may have stayed. Obviously I can't say for sure, as...well, I'm not Joel so I don't know what the decision was, and it may have been that he wanted to move on anyway, and, yes, it may also have been that he was pushed. But when you have a character constantly shoved to one side and then the actor quits it's not a huge leap of logic to connect the two.

And in Louisa's case, if they'd given half a second to actually think about the character of Ruby and decide which direction to take in her next, based on her personality and who she is, not on what 'explosive' "Johnny returns" plots they can wrangle out of her, then they wouldn't be in a position of "Oh, what can you do with someone who owns half the Square."

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I know I was actually being sarcy to Eastenders:lol:

They managed to create enough storylines for the Mitchells when they owned half the square and I'm sure they will do the same once Sean Slater owns the club, Jake's house and anything else he can get his grubby mits on. And I am absolutely positive that Sean won't just be shoved behind the bar!

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They managed to create enough storylines for the Mitchells when they owned half the square and I'm sure they will do the same once Sean Slater owns the club, Jake's house and anything else he can get his grubby mits on. And I am absolutely positive that Sean won't just be shoved behind the bar!

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Sean Slater's a dead end character IMO. He'll either end up just glowering pathetically at anyone who comes near him, or he'll be made all vulnerable and "sweet," by the EE bosses in the hopes that all the teenies will rip down their Nigel Harman posters and shove Robert Whatshisface up on the ceiling instead. :rolleyes:

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I know I was actually being sarcy to Eastenders:lol:

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Ah okay. Sorry, misunderstood the post. Ah, well...never a missed oppourtunity to rant at the EE bosses, :lol:

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Sean Slater's a dead end character IMO. He'll either end up just glowering pathetically at anyone who comes near him, or he'll be made all vulnerable and "sweet," by the EE bosses in the hopes that all the teenies will rip down their Nigel Harman posters and shove Robert Whatshisface up on the ceiling instead. :rolleyes:



Ah okay. Sorry, misunderstood the post. Ah, well...never a missed oppourtunity to rant at the EE bosses, :lol:

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Like I said I liked Sean on first apearance but that wore off the following week. So I think that says it all really.

P.S Where are your E/dale posts?:)

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Like I said I liked Sean on first apearance but that wore off the following week. So I think that says it all really.

P.S Where are your E/dale posts?:)

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I think Sean suffers from a) being generally crap, and b) being over-hyped to ridiculous levels.


I'm gonna post about Emmerdale and the kidnap when I've seen the whole storyline (after Thursday's). I'm really enjoying it so far, but I think it's one of those things where you can't really decide (or at least I can't) until you've seen it all and can take a step back if that makes sense. :searchme:

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I think Sean suffers from a) being generally crap, and b) being over-hyped to ridiculous levels.


I'm gonna post about Emmerdale and the kidnap when I've seen the whole storyline (after Thursday's). I'm really enjoying it so far, but I think it's one of those things where you can't really decide (or at least I can't) until you've seen it all and can take a step back if that makes sense. :searchme:

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Perfect sense. I had a bit of a rant about Matt today, still:wub: him to bits, but I am a bit:angry:

What Seanis doing we've seen before in the form of Grant Mitchell and Nick Cotton maybe he has a bit of Dennis but not so sure about that.

This is where Our Jake was different he had his own character, O.K there were perhaps slight resemblences to Alfie and Dennis but not a lot. I think this is because we were actually listened too and we created him:lol:

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This is where Our Jake was different he had his own character, O.K there were perhaps slight resemblences to Alfie and Dennis but not a lot. I think this is because we were actually listened too and we created him:lol:

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One thing I like about Jake is how his "weaknesses" are also his strengths -- mainly his obsession with "saving" people, which could have made him all pathetic and like a puppy dog (and almost did last October/November) but actually it...doesn't, because he sort of takes charge whilst doing everything for someone else, so it's a mixture of strength and weakness. I'm rambling now, but it makes sense in my head.


Okay to clarify -- what I mean is, I think his "saving" people is a weakness, as it's something he's compelled to do and he almost can't help it, but the way he goes about it makes him a strong character.

OH god anyone read this weeks spoilers..jesus christ (head banging on wall repeatidly unil blood goes everywhere)
so sean blackmails jake into leaving SHOCK HORROR :eek: so for a man who has been invoved in some great storys leaves in such a low profile paul trueman style way no wonder I think.....wait (change that)HOPE eastenders is not around in a years time because they are destroying a show that has been a part of all our lives,

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spelling mistake Babe14 I think you put a S instead of a P there and added an A by accident!or at least thats what I think of sean so far!!

so many questions are floating around why would ruby let slip this "secret",why is this storyline being used again,and unless sean marries ruby before november how can (the rumor that) scarletts will become his possibly happen?