I know - that is a bit weird but then that's typical Phil isn't it?
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I know - that is a bit weird but then that's typical Phil isn't it?
Sorry you meant it rhetorically. I feel the same it makes no sense. Phil moves in mysterious ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I guess Phil must still have connections to make him think he can just "own" someone. Let's face it if he had a one on one fight with Jase he wouldn't stand a chance so he must have back-up?
Obviously glad that everything turned out OK with baby William. I really like Honey and really felt for her when she was fretting about leaving Janet in the pub.
Glad to see Jane sticking up for herself and starting to let it all out.
I have to say that these episodes have brought me back to eastenders! Stax is sooo boring and its good they did something different. The acting has been brillient with Jase, Honey, Billy were all exceptional but the special award goes to Jay. He made me actually cry, he played his part well. I can't wait for Jase, Dawn, Jay and Summer to be a family it will be soo cute!
I cried so much last night. 1st thinking the baby had died and then the call Jase made to Jay and then when I heard the baby cry again I was crying with happiness. I loved it last night and Jase should tell phil to shove it. He has fought so hard against the other group not to fall back into been owned again. Who does Phil think he is anyway "I own you".. Jase is not his dog, he is not going to fall into line like billy does.
Honey really went to bat for Jase... actually the guy who plays Jase actually can ACT..:thumbsup:
Shiv I was just like you,,, it brought tears in my eyes when Jase was able to see the baby,, and know the baby did not die..:wub:
Phil is going to have a hard time making Jase toe in line,,Jas has struggled to get rid of his demons now to have Phil say what he did,,Jase is not going to lay down and take it,,, actually if u think about it ,, Phil would be easier to work with ,than Terry ( Terry wanted to see loads of blood and broken bones ):searchme: I can not Phil sending Jase out with a gang of thugs and ripping up east london...
Good for Jane and for her telling the truth about her " appendix" I find Steven to be a sniveling little toerag,, hes a smooth MANIPULATIVE little shxx. PAT is going to regret taking the kid in eventually...
:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
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Originally Posted by Siobhan:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
Yes I agree too about Steven. He knows exactly how to extract maximum sympathy from Pat and is doing it well. I think he honestly thought a simple apology would undo the damage he's done with Ian and Jane as well.
I hope that eventually the whole Square find out what he's done.
just caught up with this week's episodes, and wow how amazing was Tuesday nights one!? Full of tension and high drama! Shocked at the Vic Raid, then sad at Honey's baby not breathing!
Anyone who phoned up and complained about the violence needs to get a life, honestly. It was tame.
I thought it was right to show the violence
After all Soaps are meant to be based on real life problems and happenings. Eastenders being in the East End of London has problems with gang crime and i think it shows youths that watch the show that they shouldn't get involved
All credit to the BBC
I agree that Peter has a right to know the truth and am glad Jane told him.
I do not believe that Steven is putting an an act - not now. You can lie once, twice, thrice but not continuously - you would slip up at some point or another and he is close to Pat. Lying to someone that close - nobody could do it and Steven's no psychopath. Even when he was messed up, he still had love in him - at least for the twins and Pat and seemed to respect and have a small crush on Jane. Steven is clearly not fully well but the clinic has definitely made him a bit better. What he did - it was wrong. Nobody can deny it. It was sick to stalk Ian and lock him up and then live with his family knowing what he did to Ian but I could see on both Friday 12th and Monday 15th that he was not evil. It was eating him up knowing what he did to Ian while seeing the family go through worry.
He is close to his half sister Lucy and put the gun down so as not to scare her, assuring her he wasn't trying to get at her. Her showed concern for lucy's welfare when he said it wasn't safe outside. I can't blame Jane for believing it was another act - she doesn't know Steven that well, he is a stranger to her and i can't blame Ian for trying to protect Jane but I wish he hadn't thrown him around like a rag doll or treated him like a dog - "up up up". I think he ought to have given Ian and Jane space despite being desperate to apologise - it was too soon like Pat said and you have to build/earn trust. They can't welcome him back with open arms after what he did but if he eally proves he repents his actions I hope, I am sure he will be accepted back again eventuially though it'll take time.
He is still Lucy and peter's half brother whatever he has done and the shooting of Jane was so accidetal - he was trying to kill himself and the gun went off wile all four were struggling with it. I am glad pat gave him a home. That is what he needs. He also needs to feel belonged. It would be a good idea for him to stay away from Ian and family at least for a while but he has every right to live with his gran. If anyone's to blame for the way he turned out it is Simon. Ian's right. Simon is a selfish, self centred, lazy, irresponsible pathetic excuse for a man and it is his neglect of Steven that caused Steven to become ill and deluded. Steven would never have done all that if he had not been ill. He was shaking the very day he returned to the square and Ian saw he needed help in the car though i can hardly blame him for his anger and scepticism which was only natural.
I don't believe Steven lied to Pat - Pat agreed that Simon as a bit distant on the phone and its perfectly plausible that he's weak enough to be under his girlfriend's thumb. I can't believe Steven slept on that bench - it must have been freezing, it's November. He sgouldn't have thrown away his medication though - that was stupid. I know taking meds is a pain but going off them wasn't the answer. I really hope Lucy tells Peter everything and he forgives Steven and Steven has a right to know about Jane's womb being removed - then he will understand exactly why Ian and Jane hate him just so much.
Totally agree with you guys. JJ - a fantastic description!!! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by JoanneQuote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan:rotfl: That is how I think of Steven.. Love the guy who plays him, he is doing a great job but I can't help to think that Steven is all an act!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
Yes I agree too about Steven. He knows exactly how to extract maximum sympathy from Pat and is doing it well. I think he honestly thought a simple apology would undo the damage he's done with Ian and Jane as well.
I hope that eventually the whole Square find out what he's done.
I hope the whole square finds out what he has done, though looking at the spoilers, they are going to work out pretty quickly, I hope, that he is rather unhinged!
Apart from that it has been an interesting old week on EE. I agree with BB about if being full of tension and high drama :eek: . EE is definitely on the up, in my opinion! :thumbsup:
Just waiting for the whole nasty Stax affair to come out, and finally be behind us!!!
With the video camera my guess is that they'll get their own suitcase back in a few weeks time just before xmas and instead of watching the video straight away they decide to save it for xmas day and maybe ask Peggy if they can all watch it in the vic hahaha :D oh god i cant wait. lol this aint a spoiler btw, just a guess!
I wish Steven hadn't lied to Peggy about his age but I hate Ian's smug smirk - he really has to act like a pathetic little weasel all over again. He must have really enjoyed sticking the knife in. Two wrongs don't make a right. Ian should just have ignored him. It isn't fair to tell Steven that he would tell tles on him to every single employer so that he won't get a hjob. I know Steven shouldn't have done all that to Ian and can't condone his behaviour and i understand he was sick at the time but that doesn't mean Ian needs to make life difficult for Steven just because Steven did it to him. What's the point? I know Steven waved to Peter but he doesn't know Peter knows about the shooting and he couldn't just ignore his half brother. I'm glad Pat got him the marlket stall job. He's still not fully well but I don't believe he would ever harm anyone intentionally. It's a shame Bradley lost his job and that Stacey misunderstood and gave the signed contract to Mrs Patel. Can't wait for tomorrow. By the way what did Steven say to Pat about the internet? I didn't understand it.
I don't think Pat feels comfortable around Steven at all. She's putting on a front infront of Ian but she certainly doesn't seem at ease to me. In the betting office when Steven said that he's not mad, Pat's face said it all. She clearly still thinks he is or at least not the full ticket. There must be some fallout re him stopping his medication. Steven just seems to think he is completely OK now and snaps and acts petulantly whenever he doesn't get what he wants.
Re Ian telling Peggy Steven was too young to be working in the pub I don't see what the fuss is about there. Of course Ian doesn't want to be seeing Steven several times a day after what he's done to his family. I can completely understand him wanting to make things as uncomfortable for Steven as possible in the hope that he moves on somewhere else. I wouldn't want my kids having anything to do with someone like him.
It was good to see Stacey looking happy for almost a full episode! Obviously, it couldn't last. And where is Ben? Has Phil brought him back with him?
Pat is looking out for him and giving him a home because he is her grandson whatever he has done and she still loves him. I agree that she may not feel fully comfortable around him. I would feel a bit awkward after everything that has happened but I'd still be more trusting of him than Jane or Ian. Fair enough if Ian and Jane never want to see him again - not surprisiong after what he did though the gunshot was accidental but Ian has no right to keep Pater and Lucy away from him. Lucy still seems to trust him seeing she went to meet him in the cafe on her own and I don't believe he would everhurt anyone in a violent way least of all his nan or half brother and sister. Also Ian cannot stop him living in Walford. I am sure Steven would have the sense not to go near the cafe or the house after what happened last Monday and ian has every right to ban him from the house and cafe but Ian doesn't own Walford and Steven has nowhere else to go. I can't wait to see Steven's first day on the stall tonight.
I still don't understand this whole Phil "owns" Jase thing. So what if he did go to the police? Jase wasn't responsible for the violence in the Vic. He wasn't even there when they all broke in and smashed the place up. They actually came looking for him because he had told them he was giving up the violence. Why doesn't he tell Phil to s** off? What could the police arrest him for?
I don't think Jase is worried about the police it's Phil's reputation that has him scaredQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
If Jase hadn't got into all of this in the first place then they wouldn't have came looking for him and to be fair when he did sort it out he did it in his pub
I can't imagine for one minute that Jase would be scared of Phil.
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Originally Posted by parkerman
I completely agree. Would Jase even be aware of Phil's reputation? He's new to the Square and Phil has been AWOL for ages anyway. In real life I'm sure he would tell Phil to get lost and, equally if he wanted to leave Walford then he would do.
I can't see that either considering he went to face the thugs in the pub and then again after he thought Honey's baby was dead. Plus he was going to attack his ex mentor.. why be afraid of Phil? why does Phil own him cause he called the police??? Anyone could have done that even Jase. Maybe, just maybe Phil says he own Jase cause he stopped him from going to jail. Jase would have killed Bird and the boss man (can't remember his name terry I think) if Phil hadn't stopped him. Or it could be that Phil is going to save him for the abuse he would have gotten from everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
So why else let Phil push him about?
Surely he's heard off the locals about Phil and what he's like. If that was me and i didn't know the bloke at all i wouldn't let him speak to me like that
I don't know and that's why I said I can't understand it. There is no way a character like Jase would let Phil push him about. Of course, we don't know yet that he is going to let him. We may have to wait and see how the story unfolds...:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wizardardo
The Powers that be seem to always write it so that Phil ends up as top dog, hardest man etc, keeping the Mitchell myth going.
Tonight's was good. As usual I enjoyed the Steven scenes. That scene with him and Monique was so funny. Her asking him directly "would you like to kiss me?" and him saying "er no, you're like thirteen, fourteen" - that really made me laugh. He's definitely not gay though - he himself denied it and when he first got back hee said "the usual, girls, drink" and Pat always said he was "a right little heartbreaker". I can see why Monique likes him though since he's older but as i thought he turned her down. Peter seems to be sticking up for him a bit. I think he realises the shooting was accidental. Part of the reason why Ian's so angry is that he thought Steven had the gun all along and that it was Steven's gun but we know Lucy gave him Craig's gun 48 hours before he went to free Ian from captivity. I liked the way Steven handled Stacey too.
I think that Jase is doing anything he can to get into/stay in Phil's good book is because he wants to stay in Walford and look after Jay, he is depending on Phil giving him a job though as Billy seemed to have poisened all others against him after he found out that Jase had been in prison.
That is the hold Phil has on him.. he keeps telling Jase he will lose Jay and it is the one thing that Jase will do anything for
Steven really gets annoyed that Ian doesn't want anything to do with him. But I don't blame Ian.. would you readily forgive someone who drove you insane thinking that your dead wife was still alive and then kept you prisoner for weeks... Steven need to grow up. He is doing too little too late. If he just stepped back and let Ian cool down then he would have a better chance to get back into Ian's good books.
I agree that Steven should keep a low profile for a while. He undoubtedly did wrong. You can't condone it at all because like Ian said his behaviour was sick and twisted and he is obviously not fully well but is much better given that he has stopped shaking. It wasn't really Steven's fault that Monique insisted on going to Pat's to see him and Peter accompanied her though. Accepting he wasunwell at the time, I do have some sympathy but I don't think it's a question of "growing up" as he is not fully well though yes he should lie low for a time and wait and see how things turn out.
what happened between steven and stacey i must have missed that.
also another thing thats annoying me why did ian go in to jane while she was in the hospital (before the complications) and tell her they could have kids have the eastenders writers forgotten about his vasectomy
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Originally Posted by *-Rooney-*
cheers, I had forgotten about that. Unless I missed episodes with him having a reversal or he might have gone for one?
He is selling clothes on his stall.Quote:
Originally Posted by *-Rooney-*
Stacey didn't like steven selling clothes on his stall because he'll be in direct competition with her.
I was under the impression, after reading other posts on this forum that Ian starts unfairly sniping and making snide comments to poor, misunderstood Steven. Tonight's episode was anything but.
What a creep. Accusing Stacey, then going to Ian's house and accusing him. Threatening them both with the police - how on earth can he have the audacity to do that after what he's recently got away with. And, on top of all that he even lied to dear old Nana Pat whom he loves so dearly. His actions tonight were selfish and manipulative and indicative of the type of person he really is.
On a lighter note, poor Bradley at the end. How embarrassing to be seen like that by your MIL!
Yes, I agree. I've gone off Steven big time now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
I wish he hadn't done that - shouted at Ian and Stacey. Ian did nothing provocative today for once. If he set this up that was really unfair and shows that he is still a bit crazy even though the clinic has helped a little because at least he has stopped shaking. I can't believe he's completely evil though - that would be sowooden, stereotypical and boring and these things are complex. I can't help thinking the smashed stall if itis done by who I think it is, is a cry for help though it doesn't make his behaviour any less appalling.
Any thoughts on who that woman was getting that Billy was talking to?
just something that will be stuck in my memory forever...Bradley is so very ginger...
I deffo think Steven's done that to the stall himself. also why did Honey's child benefit thing stop, i missed that bit. and how weird seeing Shirl' and Hazel having a go at each other lol
They never explained why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k7
Also, Bradley applies for a job with the Council (assistant market inspector) and gets the job the next day....hmmm...What about the application form, the CV, short listing, waiting for an interview date, the interview itself, other candidiates, taking up references, etc. etc.? Must be a very efficient council....
I seem to remember an episode some time back when Ian was in the car park umm trying to get umm some specimin in a bottle to find out if the operation he had had had been reversed,, apparently he lost his "bottle" cos Namoi saw him in the car.. does any one remember this ?? So he never went back to find out if the vastectomy operation had been reversed ???