Presumably the point of highlighting the car so much was because Roxy spent £5000 on it and the estate agent told Ronnie that if she came up with another £5000 the club would be hers.
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Presumably the point of highlighting the car so much was because Roxy spent £5000 on it and the estate agent told Ronnie that if she came up with another £5000 the club would be hers.
No, I don't think it is for comic purpose.. it is that I don't give a damn about anything and it is all me me me attitude... we have seen it in her before when peggy said she can't give them the money for the club cause she was in debt and Roxy was totally selfish... Roxy doesn't think about the future and the whole thing with the car was just showing her very selfish side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k7
What does the police want with Sean????
Poor Ronnie lost the club i wonder who the knew owner is? Liked the Sean/Jean scenes they needed more of this. Ian was being horrible to Jane it was nice to see Steven at the end
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The new owner is. can't wait to see Ronnie's faceSpoiler:
Oh dear oh dear oh dear, that should be goodQuote:
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Originally Posted by tammyy2j
The new owner is. can't wait to see Ronnie's faceSpoiler:
Brilliant episode. Nice chemistry between Jack and Ronnie and his offer was reasonable enough though it was still bad of him to betray her like that. It was nice of Jean to protect Sean from the police. Sean must have been crazy to ask Tanya to run away with him. I loved the scenes betweenPat and Steven at the clinic - playing cards and everything. I think she understands he wasn''t well. I can't blame Ian for pretending Jane had a burst appendix because it is a disgraceful thing to tell people - that your crazy stepson accidentally shot your wife. My mum thinks he still has some loyalty to Steven sdespite his anger and I agree. Also it sn't nice for everyone to gossip about things like that - it is private. But I think Ian should forget about imprisoning Steven in that clinic and spend less time working and more time with Jane. That man was right - it is totally unethical though I understand ian is not thinking straight. Ian will exhaust himself from overwork, it is unethical to keep Steven in that clinic permanently and it is unfair on Jane that he is always working so Ian needs to sort out his priorities. Billy has a point. He has lost the plot a bit. I think Pat should tell Steven what happened to Jane - he has a right to know and I'm glad she asked him to stay. He acted just like a scared, lost little boy. I think partly the reason he holds much back from the ounselling sessions is because he doesn't want to betray Lucy. They would ask where he got the gun and he doesn't want to say Lucy gave it him but I think Lucy should tell Ian and Jane as they think Steven ha the gun all along and planned to use it against Ian but he didn't even have a gun or think of having it until Lucy gave it him. Im sorry for Jane - her anger was understandable of course as Ian never consulted her but I think Ian did the best thing except for asking for Steven to be held forever in that clinic - that is too much.
Where an earth does Sean get his money from to keep going off like that? He is always off somewhere
Does the Ronnie/Jack thing remind anyone of Steve Owen and Mel?
You know what, now that you've said that, they do a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k7
I like last night episode... showed a lot of interaction between character that actually work well together
You have Jack and ronnie, like to think they are oil and water but they are more alike than they think
Then Jean and Sean... mother/son thing gone wrong but still Jean will protect him and she hit a nerve with Sean when she told the police he would never come to her for anything.
Sean does have a soft side, asking Tanya to go with him was just to protect her from what is coming. He wants to kill Max but doesn't want Tanya to be hurt.. he is a bit of a heathcliff!!
And last Pat and Steven.. lovely and warm and get together... I like them too
That's a good point actually. At first I thought he was crazy but yes he does hate Max and he knows it'll come out sooner or later so he wants to protect Tanya. Yes he does seem like a bit of a Heathcliff. Good comparison that. Yes I loved the Pat/Steven scenes. Hopefully more Stevento look foirward to tonight.
Yes so agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Chris_2k7
I liked the scenes between Pat and Steven. It must have been hard to Jane to see pregnant Tanya knowing she will never have kids of her own. I blame Ian and little brat Lucy. I really can't see how Jane and Ian's marriage can recover from this.
Yes it must be hard for Jane to see Tanya knowing she is now infertile and Tanya is pregnant. You can't blame Ian though - I know he's pathetic and takes Jane for granted but it wasn't his fault that Steven held him hostage for 3 weeks. Lucy was a bit of a rebellious teenager at first but when she found her dad she really started to mature.
everyone is talking about Lucy maturing been different, well you would be too if you knew that the gun you gave your brother cause that much damage to your stepmother to the point where she could have children of her own. Lucy feels guilty.. if she had not given the gun to steven, there would have been no accident
True. Maybe she should confess the truth - they wouln't be angry with her surely because she did not know Steven was unhinged and it might make Ian and Jane less angry at Steven. Remember they thought he had it allalong but he never intended to have or use a gun till Lucy gae it to him and he was slightly annoyed himself that Lucy gave him that gun - he wantedto get rid 0f it at first so it would not "mess with (his) head".
In her defence.. Lucy didn't know he was unhinged and she felt she could trust her big brother.. He should have gotten rid quick as but instead he chose to bring it along with him to talk to Ian... did he want to use it or was it just for scare tatics????
He was going to get rid of it but when he was questioned by the police he decided to keep it. I don't believe he would have used it against ay of them. He maybe intended to kill himself and only took it out to stop Ian ringing the police - actually that's quite natural. Anyone unhinged or not wouldsurely get the wind up if you threaten to call the police on them. Yes Lucy naturally trusted her older brother which you normally can, only in this casse it was unfortunate. Even when he was in that room with Ian talking, I couldn't help trusting that he would never use that gun against Ian which he didn't. If I were Lucy I'd probably have waited. If Lucy had waited then maybe they would have come to an understanding and certainly Jane would not have been shot. I'm not sure why but I seem to understand Steven quite well.
No way was Steven going to use, he did say he came here to let Ian out now, but Ian wanted to call the police and thats when Steven got the gun out
Well said Lennie. I agree 100%.Quote:
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Thanks by the way for letting the Steven Beale fan club over on DS Steven Beale Appreciation Thread know about the new clip on You Tube.
Thanks and no problem :)
Steven was on edge, he was at the end - all he wanted was this feeling to end.
No way would Steven taken Lucy if he was planning to use the gun
It was very powerful when he said that he wanted to finish it, wanted it to end etc. Ian's wrong - he would never have locked Lucy in tht flat and if he intended to kill Ian he would not take Lucy there. Lucy should perhaps have been a bit more trusting and not fetched Jane. Jane would be angry and upset and that's the last thing Ian or Steven need.
Jane's been all over the place when he had been missing - i dont blame her in how she reacted etc
Nor do I. It was natural for her to be upset and very angry with Steven but it might have been best if Lucy hadn't done that, that's all.
Lucy probably thought who else can she turn to and thought of Jane
Mmm maybe but if I were her I'd have waited. Who knows - maybe Ian or Steven would have driven them all home in the car if Jane hadn't arrived. I can't believe Steven tried to run Ian over though - that must have been a red herring surely.
did steven have a car??? didn't he and lucy come on the tubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Yes they did come on the tube but that's not what I was referring to. Ian's car is still there remember. The police found it there. And remember during that stalker buisiness Ian nearly got run over by a car so I guessed Steven must be old enough to drive.
^ well he did drive Jane's car to pick Lucy and Peter up
Steven is 17, going to be 18 soon in December
I mean I guessed before 9th October.
Poor old Jase. I think he really thinks that Tel is going to just let him go and lead a normal life with Jay.
That was a good episode. I'm glad Jane confided in Tanya. She needs a friend to talk to and I'm sure Tanya will keep quiet. She's right to say Ian should spend time lookingh after Jane but I think under the circumstances he was right not to call the police. Prison would only worsen Steven and we know he would never hurt anyone and the shooting was accidental. I don't think that purple shirt suits him at all but that is just my opinion. I was sorry for Steven especially when he overheard wat Ian said. Ian was out of order asking Pat not to go near him. Ok fair enough if Ian and Jane never want to see him again I can't blame them but Ian has no right to tell Pat to desert her own grandson. At the end i really thought Terry was going to hit Jase but I didn't believe in that hug - it had a sinister undertone.
Lizzie Ian might have been"out of order" telling Pat what he did about Steven, but remember he had just had a confrontation with Tanya,, so he was still very angry.
I saw one thing,, Steven is delusional,, he thinks he can fix things with Ian with a few good memories that happened 8 yrs ago or so,, and he thinks he can WEASEL his way into Ians life again after what he did,, sorry but the guy belongs in a place where he can be treated, he was not in that clinic long enough, hes still messed up and very very disturbed ! What I do not understand is why they released Steven to Pat when it was Ian who was paying for the clinic..:hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
I felt really bad for Jase, cos Tel is not about to let him walk away from his old life . The next few episodes are going to be interesting.
I felt so bad for Billy seems like nothing goes his way. But at least Peggy has given them a place to stay,, hmm lemme think..Ronnie Roxie, Peg, Phil and Ben and now Honey Billy Janet and the baby,, how many darn bedrooms are over the Vic LOL
Of course Ian's angry with Steven - anyone would be if they were stalked and locked in a flat and their wife was shot even if accidentally and of course itwill take time. Steven is definitely better than he was and remember he did not discharge himself. The clinic chose to let him go and h can't stay there after being discharged. Besides that doctor is right - it would be unethical to keep him there forever. I don'rt believe though that he is still delusional. Pat is right to say it will take time and a fewhappy memories will not erase what he has done but even when unhinged he would definitely not have hurt anyone diliberately. I am sure of that. He has to continue taking his medication and shouldn't have gone off it - he just wants to apologise I think because he feels guilty though he should give them space. It was last time - the first time that he came that he weasled his way into the family after locking Ian up which was outrageous. This time he wants to make the first move to make amends/reconnect. I can't help pitying him though I certainly can't condone his actions. I suppose they releasedhim to Pat because they cannot grant Ian's request as it is unethical. Steven is still Lucy and Peter's half brother and a member of the family whatever he has done.
Yeah, its a real shame that Steven didnt remember that when he was imprisoning their dad, or pretending to Lucy that her mum was still alive! The fact he os family makes what he has done more unacceptable...whereas I read the above that you think it makes it more acceptable!!! He maybe a member of the family, but is doesnt mean they have to forgive him or welcome him back with open arms! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Well - no but remember he was delusional when he did that. Lucy made him seehow screwed his actions were but you can't just stop loving somone just like that, especially your own brother (and in Pat's case grandson). Obviously I'm not expecting them to welcome him back with open arms straight away but it would be nice if he could eventually be forgiven. It's good that he feels so bad now that he desperately wants to make amends.
Does he feel bad for what he did to Jane and Ian though or bad for himself? I didn't detect a great deal of remorse from him yesterday but alot of me, me, me. Throwing away the pills was a dumb thing to do and if he is supposed to be "better" now or "cured" then he's obviously not very bright if he doesn't think he needs them anymore.
I agree it was stupid to throw away the medication but then I suppose some people do do that - I mean it's not very nice to be on medication is it? I don't think he's in self pity though. Even after the gunshot wasfired (though he was ill then) he said it was accidental and that he would never hurt anyone and now he definitely knows Ian is not to blame for Cindy's death because he did start to see things from Ian's viewpoint and called Ian "dad" - a sign that he is slowly returning to normal. I agree that he is not thinking about Jane and Ian needing space to come to terms with things etc but I'm sure he does realise he did wrong and wants to try and put things right though as Pat says it is too soon.
I don't think he's realised the true extent of what he's done. I think he's still, if not even more dillusional now. He seems alot more untogether (don't know if that is a word lol) now than he did when he did all that stuff. He thinks he can sort it as quick as a click of the fingers, but he can't, and he needs to realise that. He should definately not have been discharged from the clinic. It's obvious he's still not well!!
I agree he hasn't realised the extent of what he has done and that he is still not fully well but i can''t believe the medication and counselling haven't helped at all. I mean if you have high mental resistance you can just about make counselling ineffective but high mental resistance doesn't work against medication. Besides why should he mentally resist counselling when he himself admitted to being unwell and chose to get counselling? I don't think he is worse now than he was when he did all those dangerous things but I agree he is still not fully well. I am sorry for him though. Actually - it's weird but the very fact that he is unhinged makes me want to sit down and talk through my own problems with him. I think the clinic thought he was better - he certainly seems calmer now than he was before - he needs a friend to talk to, not just "nana" Pat.
How long was he at the clinic? The state he was in he would have needed much longer before he would be well again. Also, he may need to take the medication for life, depending on what it is that's wrong with him. If, for example, he has schizophrenia, he won't ever be better but the medication will help keep it under control. As soon as he stops taking it he will just revert back to how he was.