Jake Heaven

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

They may also want to get rid of Nana, to concentrate on the dark side of the Moon family. I think Jake and Danny's side of the family is vastly different from the slightly roguish, but ultimatly decent people, that Alfie's side is. To bring up this dark history all while sweet Nana Moon rattles around in the background wouldn't really work -- though it would offer a nice contrast. It's times like this I wonder if it would be better if Alfie stayed, because he would offer a better contrast. (But then I watch another episode involving Kat/Alfie/Little Mo and all those thoughts just disappear).

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LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.

There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.

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Originally Posted by Babe14

LOL! In my own opinion Alfie and Jakey work well together. Alfie on his own is a disaster. You could be right maybe the plan could be to give the Moons a new side from gentle/stupid(alfie) Loving sweet to Macho, dark, brutal,caring, loving. In short to give the Moons a more dramatic and grittier side to provide a wdier scope for some big storylines.

There are a lot of exits at the end of the year six all at the same time, but then there are new characters being brought in three more to be developed..um..Moonies?? and of course there will be "Our" Joel.

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I agree Alfie works well with Jakey -- but he'd have to have some scenes without Jake eventually...and that's just badness waiting to happen.

I kinda want some of this to come out while Alfie is there -- him and his family obviously knew what was happening, his mother gave Jake and Danny food when their dad left them alone -- did they do anything else, did they let them stay with them for a few days, or just give them a few tins of baked beans and send them back. I know it wasn't their responsibility to do anything, but still...

And if Johnny does turn out to be Jake's dad, how much would he know about Jakey's childhood. Would he be the one to get rid of the father if he ever did show up -- which Jake would of course see as too little, too late.

What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?

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Originally Posted by Babe14

What I can't understand is why didn't Alfie's mum and Dad take Jakey and Danny in, instead of letting them being fostered out by the social?

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That I can sort of understand -- it's not their responsibility to look after and raise them. Also there's Danny -- from what we've heard he clearly had issues since childhood, and they were probably cautious of that, as well as the cautiousness people have that kids from abusive backgrounds will have some sort of behaviour problems. Also, they were probably working on out of sight, out of mind. "Do what we can, and then send them away." Behind closed doors and all that.

I do have an issue with the fact that on at least one occasion, probably more, Jake and Danny were left alone for at least two weeks, and Alfie's parents gave them food. Give them a safe place to stay? Call the social? Try to find their dad? Contact their mother if that was possible? No, they gave them food. I mean, it's good they didn't let them starve, but surely they could have done more?

I get the impression that Alfie was always going round to see Jakey and Danny, as Jake said to Alfie "I used to love it when you came round" So clearly Jakey and Alfie have a very close relationship. Perhaps Alfie's parents called the Soical in? There again Jakey and Danny are family, not immediate family, so would they do that?

A little while ago when Jakey was trying to get Danny work he asked Alfie to give Danny some work on the stall and Alfie basically said he couldn't help. Remember how annoyed Jakey looked and pointed out to Alfie about family and how they are supposed to lookout for one another..so perhaps Alfie and his parents aren't so loyal about family as Jakey is. It's obvious that Jakey has very high principles and loyalty when it comes to looking out for your own. Like you said maybe it was a case of it's not our problem...more mystery to unfold.

Also when Danny was losing it at salsa night and talking about their dad Alfie seemed embarrassed, not just for Danny but for himself, and the only thing he did was call Jake. If any more did come out, maybe there'd be issues between Jake and Alfie, that Alfie and his family didn't do more.

Maybe it was a case of Jake's and Danny's parent not getting along with Alfie's and it was only Alfie who got along with Jakey and Danny. It ws obvious after the boys disappeared, with Alfie not knowing whether they were dead or alive that he cared very much about them. Infact didn't he say he loved them? Not forgetting the way he laid into Johnny of course:)

P.S Keep meaning to say BK LOVE the Banner:)

Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.

I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.

Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

Thank you. I seem to have a slight obsession with combining EE with Buffy quotes, lol.

I think Alfie does love Jake and Danny, and Jake did say that he used to go around to their house and bring things with him. So I guess he did try to make their lives a little better.

Random thought: How much does Nana know about Jakey and Danny's childhood? How much does Johnny know?

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That's a good thought:) Then on the other hand Jakey and Danny aren't nana's immediate family so would she know very much except what she has been told?
Johnny may know a little more as Jakey and Danny have worked for him for a while..maybe Johnny knows a lot more than we think. Perhaps he knew the mother very well (Re Jakey)..

(Tell you what we're setting a few rumours about! LOL Jakey's family)