did lachlan throw away the gun that he had found from ross, what gun has aaron the one from robert shooting paddy, how many guns around?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheetah
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did lachlan throw away the gun that he had found from ross, what gun has aaron the one from robert shooting paddy, how many guns around?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheetah
Paddy shot Robert, Aaron saw it, which is why he got rid of the weapon. IMHO.
This has really bothered me too this past week = is Aaron's gun the same one as Lachlan found in the stream after being dumped there by Ross?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
During the 23/09/15 episode, Lachlan was shown in a scene on his own, in the lounge at Home Farm, with a gun (so just like Cluedo!), when Lachlan's script was as follows:
(Lachlan is standing in front of the mirror and talking to his reflection)
"What? What did you say to me. Say it again. Go on."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQZDiatWwAAas23.jpg
Lachlan aims gun at mirror in lounge at Home Farm
"Say it again. Say it to my face. Huh. You're full of it, Robert. Got your attention now, haven't I? Haven't I? "
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQZDidfWoAAXb-u.jpg
Close up photo of Lachlan's gun at Home Farm on 23/09/15
He then seems to put the gun into his back pocket?
Source:
(268) Aaron & Robert 23rd September 2015 Part 2 of 6 (see from 3m 8s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h2XD7QToMg
Later the same day, Robert and Andy are arguing at Andy's house when Robert keeps telling Andy that Katie's death was an accident. Andy keeps saying that Robert pushed her and he's lying. Andy then beats up Robert as Sarah comes to the front door, she sees the fight and runs out and kneels outside. Andy then drives off in his Land Rover, Robert tries to call him back and Sarah goes to kneel by the side of the phone box and looks at Andy outside Robert's house. Lachlan is inside the bus shelter as he takes the gun out of his rucksack and puts it into his left pocket (I think it's the back trouser pocket for now). Lachlan then walks out of the bus shelter and is run into by Rakesh out jogging. The gun falls out and onto the floor. The gun looks as if it is matt black but this may have been just because it is reflecting a grey cloud or background, because when Lachlan reaches down to pick it up, there is a clear reflection on it showing that it can appear to be shiny black under the right lighting conditions.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQZDiXwXAAAT0Wo.jpg
Lachlan reaches down to pick up the gun and shows how the gun can appear to be shiny
(269) Aaron & Robert 23rd September 2015 Part 3 of 6 see from 4m 14s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LmQfX1RnYQ
Rakesh sees the gun on the floor and does nothing. Presumably Sarah sees it too as she is kneeling by the phone box. This means that Sarah is another witness that Lachlan had a gun in the village that afternoon. (Could Sarah be an important witness one day?)
Here are side-by-side photos of Aaron's gun and Lachlan's gun.
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Aaron's gun in the pub on 01/10/15 / Lachlan's gun at Home Farm on 23/09/15
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Lachlan's gun on the road at the bus stop on 23/09/15 / Lachlan's gun as he picks it up on 23/09/15
The photos suggest that Aaron's black gun under the pub's lighting is shinier but similar in shape and detail to the one that Lachlan had at Home Farm on September 23rd. But is the shine on Aaron's gun too shiny and is it a different gun after all?
The big question is "how did Aaron get Aaron's gun?". Did Aaron steal Lachlan's gun from the Home Farm safe? Did Aaron find it, if so where? Did he get given it, if so who from and where and when? Just why has Aaron kept the gun for so long and has he kept the gun for so long for his own future reasons for using it himself, or is he covering for someone else? I am sure that this issue will be answered in the forthcoming "rewind" Emmerdale episode, due to aired during the week starting October 19th, if not in an earlier episode.
We now know, from the Emmerdale episode aired on Thursday October 1st, that Chrissie's bracelet was found near to where Robert was shot. Chrissie was around the village during the afternoon on Friday September 25th but she seemed surprised about the bracelet and gun being missing from the open safe at Home Farm during the Monday 28th episode episode when Lawrence checked it. If she had been wearing the bracelet that afternoon, presumably she would have been wearing it on her wrist at the time and it looks expensive and so it is very unlikely to have dropped off without considerable force. Much more likely, I reckon, is that the same person who had the gun from the Home Farm safe also had Chrissie's bracelet in a loose pocket and just somehow, for whatever reason, carelessly/accidentally dropped it near the scene of the shooting at the back of the Woolpack pub before leaving there. Maybe the bracelet and the gun were in the same pocket and the bracelet dropped out unnoticed in the dark when the gun was taken from the pocket?
As the bracelet was found near the pub, what object did Lachlan throw away soon after into the field outside Emmerdale after Robert's shooting on September 25th? Was this object the gun from the Home Farm safe? If Lachlan robbed the Home Farm safe, took the gun and the bracelet and was Robert's shooter, did he initially plan to give the bracelet earlier to Belle as some sort of odd teenager show of affection but he found Kirin was with Belle in the house, so Lachlan kept the bracelet but later dropped this accidentally (being the careless teenager that he seems to be) by the bush behind the Woolpack during the time he was there waiting to shoot Robert?
As the bracelet has now been found as part of police evidence, the bracelet will presumably now be tested for DNA residues? Most of these are likely to be Chrissie's but will DNA testing show someone else has handled the bracelet and left his/her bodily fluids on the bracelet too (blood/saliva/other). If the DNA tests show that residues other than Chrissie's, but similar to hers, are found, will the police suspect a close family member such as Lachlan? (But these are Emmerdale PC Plod soap police, though!)
The 8pm Emmerdale episode for September 25th shows Lachlan walking home in the lane outside Emmerdale when he reaches (with difficulty) into his left trouser pocket, take an object out, then throw this with his left hand into the field to his left. Clearly, this was not a small very light item (such as a bracelet) or smooth item (such as a beer bottle) but something awkwardly-shaped. We know from previous Emmerdale footage (September 23rd) that Lachlan is left-handed and that he has previous history from then of storing his gun in his left pockets. Did Lachlan learn from experience that his left back trouser pocket wasn't too good an idea for storing a gun whereas his left trouser pocket was? The TV episode shown for the evening of September 25th does suggest that Lachlan threw Ross' ex-gun into the field during the evening on September 25th, however.
Let's assume that what Lachlan threw into the field was Ross' ex-gun.
1) Did Lachlan go back to the field the next day, find it, then bury the gun somewhere or dispose of it in a general household waste bin bag for the binmen to collect? Or did Lachlan just forget about the gun in the field and it was either never found for a long while/or never. If any of these things happened, it means that Aaron's gun was a different gun. (Seems possible but is not impossible.)
2) Through sheer luck, Aaron incredibly gets the gun from the field/back of his scrapyard and wondered where it came from, thinking that maybe Chas or Andy or Paddy could have had anything to do with it? (This idea seems to need an unlikely amount of good luck but this isn't an impossible storyline really. Maybe someone like Sarah was playing in the field or someone was walking a dog there one day soon after Robert's shooting, found the gun and gave it to Aaron for scrap value, not even thinking that it was a real and working gun? You know how young kids (like Sarah) get everywhere and know more than anyone else about the local people and what's going on in their local environment, so could Sarah help solve the mystery of the Robert shooter in due course during the 'rewind' episode or even earlier?)
3) Lachlan found his gun in the field and gave it to Aaron to dispose of as a favour through the scrapyard waste? (But why would Aaron want to help Lachlan over this, Lachlan isn't really Aaron's friend so why would Aaron get involved with being an accomplice in an attempted murder plot with Lachlan? This seems unlikely to happen.)
4) Maybe the gun Aaron had in the pub during the October 1st episode is an entirely different gun to Lachlan's gun and that Aaron's gun is either a distraction red herring and unused here for Robert or it was really the gun used to shoot Robert with? (But did Aaron pull the trigger, or did Ross do it and then leave the gun for Aaron to dispose of as part of a joint "All of us in the village really hate Robert" venture?)
5) If Lachlan wasn't the shooter and it wasn't his gun used to shoot Robert, why did Lachlan throw his gun away into the field later? Did he just see Robert being shot, panic and didn't want trouble over having his gun found on him later by Lawrence or Chrissie? Did Lawrence see Lachlan throw the gun away when he was approaching Lachlan in his car in the lane to Home Farm, and does Chrissie know more than she's telling as she's suggested to Lawrence that she's sure that the shooter wasn't Lawrence? Lawrence might have 'confessed' to shooting Robert by believing/knowing/reasoning that Chrissie or Lachlan could have/did shoot Robert?
Mention has been made of the storyline twist for the reveal of who shot Robert. I do wonder if this is just that the storywriters only set up scenes for Aaron to make viewers come to believe that Aaron is the shooter, whereas a big surprise reveal will show that the shooter was really someone else as a single-shooter, such as Lachlan? If not, then Robert's shooting could be a far more dark and complex storyline, such as a joint venture assassination plan involving several well-known Emmerdale characters? Emmerdale is a long-running soap, so I really don't think that long-term characters will have any major part to play in the Who Shot Robert storyline. I suppose we should expect that this is a fairly simple "Scooby-Doo" whodunnit rather than a "Mastermind of the Universe" plot, and so, as usual, the simplest explanation for competing theories for anything is more likely to be the right one ("Occam's Razor" Principle). So, a single-shooter storyline would be more likely than a joint venture storyline, but a joint venture could still happen, of course, if this is what the Emmerdale storyliners decided quite some time ago.
For now, we TV viewers do not know if Robert's shooting crime will be solved by Emmerdale PC Plod soap police. All we know for now is that we will be shown who the shooter is and how the shooting happened by watching the Emmerdale 'rewind' episode, due around week beginning 19th October. It could be that there may not be big consequences for the shooter, however, as the villagers may either never know who Robert's shooter was, or some do find out but then cling together as a close community and don't tell any outsiders (including the police) what these villagers know? Time will tell.
Source:
Occam's Razor Principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
Could "Aarons"" gun be the same one that Robert shot Paddy with
Here are photos of the guns used at the woodland lodge (where Robert was going to kill Aaron) and the gun Aaron had at home on 29/09/15.Quote:
Originally Posted by alan45
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQHWqS0WoAAKO3K.jpghttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQHWqjAWgAAnbJS.jpg
Woodland lodge gun / Aaron's gun at home on 29/09/15
The woodland lodge gun is totally different from the Lachlan and Aaron guns, so Aaron's gun is definitely not the woodland lodge gun.
Source:
http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/s...777#post831777
Kate Oates said in a recent interview for Digital Spy:
"You can pick a timeframe I guess, and I like stories that go along with quite a pace. I felt with a storyline like this, where you've got five or six potential suspects, it's nice to pick them all off at a bit of a lick and keep the audience engaged over that period of time. It's just a judgement call and that's the way we chose to do it."
Read more at: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s1...d-stories.html
So who shot Robert?
I suppose we have to assume that the police eventually find the shooter and charge him for attempting to kill Robert. As the the 'reveal' is around the time of the 43rd anniversary of Emmerdale being first aired on ITV then I suppose that this is a reasonable assumption.
The spoilers for Christmas/New Year mean that somehow Aaron soon gets out of jail.
Based on the Christmas/New Year spoilers of characters who have known Emmerdale storylines then, it means that
Robert's shooter wasn't Aaron/Andy/Cain/Chas/Lawrence/Pete/Ross, unless the police don't conclude the case during October 2015.
So for now, we should maybe be looking at the Emmerdale characters who have recently joined the soap, in particular, Lachlan and Chrissie. There could be an outsider involved in Robert's shooting, of course (for example, Chas' stalker) but this idea seems too complex and a simpler Scooby-doo whodunnit seems more likely. Whatever happens, it would seem that none of the long-term characters are Robert's shooter, as they all appear on Emmerdale with significant storylines after the Emmerdale reveal episode on October 22nd.
Chrissie might yet have an upcoming storyline about a relationship with Rakesh? She has already been arrested by Emmerdale PC Plod soap police, so maybe we can safely assume that they got it wrong yet again and that
maybe Chrissie isn't Robert's shooter?
Lawrence has 'confessed' to Robert's shooting but does he and/or Chrissie really think that Lachlan shot at Robert and Lawrence is just trying to protect young Lachlan or Chrissie from any prison horrors in the future? Maybe Chrissie and Lachlan really planned to shoot Robert dead as a joint venture? Time will tell.
It seems as if Lachlan's (Thomas Atkinson's) actor contract with Emmerdale may soon end/have already ended by now. There also seems to be no spoilers yet for any future storylines involving Lachlan. So does Lachlan eventually get arrested by the Emmerdale PC Plod soap police and charged with wanting to kill Robert, with enough evidence to make Lachlan go to prison for a long stretch and to leave Emmerdale for a really long time? Time will tell.
I asked myself a big question today:
Just how does Aaron get out of jail? We know from Christmas/New Year spoilers that he does.
The simplest explanation for this would be that Aaron's shiny gun is a different one to the one Lachlan got from the stream (Ross' ex-gun).
What if Aaron's gun is not the shooter's gun?
The Soaplife spoilers for 10th-23rd October say that when Aaron is in jail, he tells Cain he wants to kill himself. Maybe Aaron got his gun from someone somewhere (earlier than when we first see him with it in the pub on 1st October) with the intention of using it to kill himself? His behaviour since Robert's shooting has been odd anyway, maybe this has been because of an underlying depression or similar illness he developed after or even had before Robert was shot? The spoilers for 15th October suggest the police might find and seize Aaron's gun when they visit the scrapyard then but they also have video evidence of Aaron putting his gun inside the engine compartment of the scrapped car previously. Whichever way Aaron got his gun, the video evidence still means he should be in big trouble with the police for gun possession, but it's soapland so maybe it's Aaron's gun and he somehow has a licence for it (unlikely?) or it's just a gun enthusiast's replica and doesn't even fire bullets, or the police don't find the gun and have no physical evidence against Aaron?
I think the object that Lachlan threw into the field after Robert had been shot on the night of September 25th was Lachlan's gun. If so, maybe this gun doesn't get found for quite a while? I do wonder if someone like Sarah finds it eventually whilst out playing in the field one day (we all know what young kids are like, go everywhere, know everything!). Sarah would recognise it as being like the one she saw Lachlan drop outside the bus shelter on 23rd September when Rakesh ran into him. (BTW, why doesn't Rakesh mention Lachlan had Lachlan's own gun when he reports Aaron to the police on 14th/15th October? Is Rakesh shielding Chrissie and Lachlan for his own agenda?). Sarah gives the gun to Andy/Debbie/other adult, tells what she knows about Lachlan, and the gun ends up with the police with Lachlan being the suspected gun user. As Lachlan threw the object into the field without wearing any gloves, it will be covered in his fingerprints/DNA. If it is his gun which was used to shoot Robert then Lachlan will be found out to be the shooter by forensics. So, Sarah saves the day for Aaron and he gets off the hook for shooting Robert (but maybe not off for the gun possession?) and Lachlan gets convicted of attempting to murder Robert, with Lachlan maybe later saying something like "And I would have got away with it if it hadn't been for that pesky kid! (as in Scooby-doo)
What if Aaron's gun is the shooter's gun?
If the police find Aaron's gun at the scrapyard and forensics prove that it is the one which shot Robert then Aaron is in even more trouble and he'll need a really good explanation of when and where he got his gun from. To get out of jail for trying to kill Robert, he must tell that he either found it somewhere (and so makes someone else a suspect) or was given it by someone who found it (like Sarah?). If Aaron cleaned the gun of any DNA and fingerprints before putting it inside the car engine compartment then it will make it more difficult to prove who else held the gun. I am really expecting that how, where and when Aaron gets Aaron's gun gets revealed during the 'reveal' episode or even earlier when he talks to Chas when he is in jail/on remand.
Of course, Rakesh might be Aaron's lawyer later and so Rakesh just tells the police he witnessed that Lachlan previously had a gun in the village on a day before Robert was shot. Chrissie and Lawrence also know that Lachlan found the gun in the stream. Maybe under family and police pressure, Lachlan then simply confesses and tells the police that he threw the gun into the field. The police will by then have character statements, the gun and any DNA and fingerprint evidence(?) and it's case closed for Lachlan, who gets a lighter sentence than otherwise maybe because he co-operated with the police? I think I'd prefer the more challenging Sarah Scooby-doo ending though!
Final outcomes
Whichever way the storyline eventually goes, we already know that Aaron soon gets out of jail and that Aaron is not proved to be Robert's shooter, for now anyway.
Based on the Christmas/New Year spoilers of characters who have known Emmerdale storylines then, it means that
Robert's shooter wasn't Aaron/Andy/Cain/Chas/Lawrence/Pete/Ross, unless the police don't conclude the case during October 2015.
I'm still going with the theory that Lachlan did it. The gun came from Chrissie's safe and only Chrissie and Lawrence knew the code. However, there was a scene where Lachlan seemed to see one of them entering the code. I'm going with him therefore, as the safe didn't show any signs of being forced so it must have been one of the three. Chrissie and Lawrence have become too obvious, I think.
I also have a feeling that Lachlan has told Lawrence that he did it, hence sticking to his (I think) false confession. I don't think they want to hurt Chrissie any more by telling her, as she feels guilty over the helicopter crash as it is.
I think Aaron will be one of the two other revelations in the flashback. I don't think he'd have done it as because Chas was there, he'd have been risking it going wrong and the bullet getting his mother instead.
But if it is Lachlan why would Aaron protect him? Aaron does not even known lachlan they have never spoken to each other. Aaron is covering for someone but the question is who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
But if it is Lachlan why would Aaron protect him? Aaron does not even known lachlan they have never spoken to each other. Aaron is covering for someone but the question is who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I think it was Cheryl edged on by Eric to revenge her mum´s death! :p :D
:)The fastest paw in Yorkshire !!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
My most serious answer would be Lachlan
But there are probably some "red herrings"
I dont think Soap Writers use "Chekovs Gun"
principle !!
And why would they - much too boring!!
Im very impressed with the detailed analysis
of some posters!! Well see if we had all the
necessaey info - when rewind episode is shown?
All About Soap published:
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Star Chat
"The evidence is stacked against Aaron!"
Danny Miller reveals why Aaron is the number-one suspect in Robert's shooting
>What happens at the police station? Does Aaron crack under pressure?
"He's actually relatively cocky. He's got to know the law and the way that police ask questions in interviews. He knows himself that he's not going down for attempted murder because the police will find that the ball-bearing dust from the gun won't have come from him. But he seems to forget that he's only out on licence..."
>If it's not him, then does Aaron think he knows who the shooter is?
"He has his own theories about how it happened but he can't work out who actually shot Robert. The big problem is that Robert upset so many people in the village - any one of those suspects could have pulled the trigger, so it's difficult to guess!"
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Source:
All About Soap, page 33, 12th-23rd October 2015 edition
What this suggests definitely has a twist about it.
"the police will find that the ball-bearing dust from the gun won't have come from him"
What I think this means is that forensics won't match Aaron's shiny gun with gun residues found at the scene, or the ammo if they got this from Robert's body.
What I think could have happened was that Robert was maybe carrying his own gun which fell out of Robert's pocket when he fell. So, when Aaron ran up to Chas and Robert after Robert had been shot in the dark, Aaron found this gun on the floor near Chas and put it into his pocket, thinking that Chas had shot Robert. Maybe it was just a ball-bearing gun?
If Robert dropped his own gun like this, it suggests that he was shot with a different gun by one of the other villagers or an outsider. As Chrissie's bracelet was found around the bushes, it suggests that the other gun was used there and was Lachlan's gun, taken at the same time as the bracelet from the Home Farm safe.
More spoilers are now needed to confirm or bin this idea! I suspect that when Robert wakes up, he might just say that it is his shiny gun which Aaron found?
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Originally Posted by Serena Williams
I don't think he is covering for him. I think he's covering for someone else who was also wandering around with the gun on the night but who didn't get to shoot Robert. That, or Aaron was up to something dodgy himself on the night.
All About Soap published in the 12th-23rd October 2015 edition:
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Star Chat
"The evidence is stacked against Aaron!"
Danny Miller reveals why Aaron is the number-one suspect in Robert's shooting
>Hi, Danny! How is Aaron coping in the wake of Robert's shooting?
"Well, Aaron keeps saying he didn't do i, but that's what all the suspects are saying! He feels lost; the only person he can confide in is Paddy, but Paddy is a suspect too because he doesn't have an alibi. He needs to take on advice from people who matter, but Chas is a total mess too."
>Is he worried that mum Chas was the one who pulled the trigger?
"He knows she either shot Robert or had a part in it because the blood was quite literally on her hands. Aaron is panicked, questioning whether his mum could go that far..."
>Aaron is hiding something, though...
"The viewers aren't going to realise what it is until further down the line. He is witholding something, but he's keeping quiet about it for a reason!"
>What are Aaron's feelings towards Robert now, do you reckon?
"I think at this stage Aaron despises him. When Robert hit him with those home truths at the scrapyard, it broke his heart. I think Aaron was feeling slightly murderous; his anger has moved to a level that he's never experienced before. In the last year, Aaron's temper has calmed down, but he had to lie and cheat for Robert for so long - and he hates him for that."
>Is Aaron rattled when Adam confronts him about the gun?
"It's one of those things where he's faced with the truth, and there's no getting away from it. Adam knows he's seen a video of Aaron hiding the gun, and like a true best mate he wants to talk to Aaron first without calling the police. So Aaron knows that Adam has this video - but he's not aware that it's also been uploaded to social media."
>Is Adam on Aaron's side, though?
"They've been through so much, it's almost like a brother's code with these two; they've always had each other's back. Adam just wants to help Aaron out regardless of the fact that Robert is his wife's brother. His main priority is to save Aaron's skin."
>So how does Aaron feel when the police turn up and arrest him?
"Complete panic, because he knows there's nothing he can do - the gun has been found and his fingerprints are on it. Whether Aaron did shoot Robert or not, the evidence is now stacked against him. He's on a suspended licence, and now he's been found with a firearm. He's at serious risk of getting sent to prison."
>How do the the other villagers react?
Well, when someone is arrested, regardless of whether they're innocent or not, people immediately assume they're guilty. Everybody knows Aaron is violent, but he's not the sort of person who would pick up a gun and shoot someone."
>What happens at the police station? Does Aaron crack under pressure?
"He's actually relatively cocky. He's got to know the law and the way that police ask questions in interviews. He knows himself that he's not going down for attempted murder because the police will find that the ball-bearing dust from the gun won't have come from him. But he seems to forget that he's only out on licence..."
>How would Aaron cope if he got sent back to prison?
"Aaron's tried very hard to learn from his stupid mistakes. He really had turned a corner. Going back inside would make him lose his faith in everything, and return him to a dark place he doesn't want to be in."
>If it's not him, then does Aaron think he knows who the shooter is?
"He has his own theories about how it happened but he can't work out who actually shot Robert. The big problem is that Robert upset so many people in the village - any one of those suspects could have pulled the trigger, so it's difficult to guess!"
>Have you enjoyed this big storyline?
"Yeah, I've loved all the stuff that has happened since Katie's death, and this story is almost the climax of it all. It's interesting for me to watch it from a viewer's perspective, seeing how it al fits together. It's times like these that I'm so glad I decided to come back to Emmerdale."
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Source:
All About Soap, 12th-23rd October 2015 edition
Danny Miller interview for Soaplife, 10-23 Oct 2015 edition
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It's looking bleak for Aaron!
Aaron's back behind bars and he fears the worst when he's accused of shooting ex-lover Robert, says Danny Miller...
By Sally Brockway
One by one, the chief suspects in the Robert Sugden shooting mystery have come into the frame. Lawrence White has admitted to the crime, now it's Aaron Livesy's turn to take the blame when Adam Barton finds video footage of him hiding a gun. 'There's nothing he can say about it when Adam confronts him with the truth', says actor Danny Miller, who plays the cornered mechanic. 'But they've been mates for so long and Adam wants to help him out.' That may be, but when Victoria Sugden posts the video on online, the police come knocking. Will Aaron be charged with attempted murder?
How has Aaron been feeling in the wake of the shooting
He's had mixed emotions. He feels lost and the onlyperson he can confide in is Paddy. The trouble is, Paddy's a suspect too, so Aaron doesn't know where to turn.
We can't keep up with the plot! Why has Aaron got a gun?
Like everyone else, Aaron's hiding something. All the suspects are either witholding information or admitting to things they didn't do to protect other people. Aaron saw the gun close to Chas' feet after the shooting and he hid it to protect her. He doesn't want her to go down. He'd be lost without her.
Could Aaron be the shooter?
Aaron loves Robert, but anybody with a lot of anger and nothing to lose could kill someone.
Why has Adam got footage of Aaron hiding the weapon?
He made a video for baby Johnny at the scrapyard and caught Aaron hiding the gun in the background. Adam's upset that Aaron didn't confide in him as they're best mates and they've been through so much together. But Adam isn't the problem. Unbeknown to Aaron, Victoria uploads the video on a social networking site.
Tell us what happens when the police show up...
Aaron's in utter panic. He knows the gun's been found and there's nothing he can do about it. His fingerprints are all over it and the evidence is stacked against him. Regardless of what happens, he'll be sent to prison because he's already serving a suspended sentence and any trouble with the police means he'll be locked up.
If Aaron didn't shoot Robert, then who did?
well, he hopes it isn't Chas. He thinks the gun was planted at her feet by a stranger.
How does Aaron hold up under police questioning?
He's relatively cocky because he's got to know the law and how police question people. He doesn't think he'll go down for attempted murder because the forensic evidence won't point to him.
How do you think he'd cope if he's sent back to prison?
It isn't where Aaron wants to be. Yes, he has a violent side and he isn't afraid of a fight, but he's tried really, really hard to turn his life around. He doesn't want to be that person who's in and out of prison. He's done nothing wrong, yet he might end up back inside. It would make him want to give up on the justice system altogether and think, 'What's the point?'
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Source:
Soaplife, 10-23 Oct 2015 edition
Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Watcher
These Danny Miller interviews confirm a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Telly Watcher
First off, Aaron finds Aaron's gun near Chas' feet after Robert has been shot on Friday night, September 25th.
Second off, When Aaron has been arrested for attempting to murder Robert, the forensics show later that Aaron's gun wasn't the one that was used to shoot Robert. It follows that the gun Aaron found near Chas' feet is a new gun which is a complete twist to what everyone expected. Chas seems completely unaware of the gun, she was most likely in shock when Robert got shot and it was dark too so she probably didn't even realise it was near her feet anyway. Aaron ran onto the scene, some 20 seconds after the shooting, clearly saw the gun on the ground and put it into his pocket, assuming that Chas had used it to shoot Robert with. Although Aaron tried to get Chas to quickly move away from the crime scene, Chas was too shocked to do so before other villagers (like Dan) were there too.
Third off, Chrissie's bracelet (taken from the Home Farm safe earlier with Lachlan's gun) was found to have been dropped near the crime scene, apparently around the bushes at the back of the Woolpack.
Here's what I think could be the storyline which fits all of the information we know right now
Lachlan was able to get his gun and Chrissie's bracelet earlier from the Home Farm safe. He later hid in the dark in the bushes behind the Woolpack. When Lachlan took his gun from his left trouser pocket, it was dark and he didn't notice that Chrissie's bracelet fell out onto the ground. He waited for a clear shot when Chas was moving away from Robert after their heated conversation then he shot Robert. He carefully made his way unnoticed away from the Woolpack car park, waited for the commotion to die down, then walked on the road towards Home Farm. When he heard a car approaching from behind, he threw his gun into an empty field to his left before Lawrence drove up, stopped and took Lachlan to the hospital where Robert had been taken.
Looking from the viewpoint for Robert and Chas, they had just finished their heated conversation and Chas had turned and was moving away from Robert. This was when Robert was hit in the chest, near his heart, by a piece of ammunition (either a pellet or a bullet?). Robert fell forwards onto Chas, bleeding from his chest. At this moment in the dark, Robert somehow dropped a gun he was carrying onto the ground. Chas was in too much shock to notice. Within about 20 seconds of the gunshot, Aaron ran up, saw the gun on the ground and put it into his pocket. Shortly later, Dan and other villagers appeared and gave first aid to Robert, already unconscious and unable to tell what had happened from his point of view.
Aaron is left with a gun in his pocket. He assumes Chas used it to shoot Robert with and says nothing to her. Chas knows nothing about the gun (because she never saw it when it was on the ground in the darkness) and so she thinks that Aaron might have shot Robert. If only mother and son would talk to each other more!
How could Robert's shooting crime be concluded?
1) The object that Lachlan threw into the field needs to be found. If it is Lachlan's gun, it will be covered in Lachlan's fingerprints and DNA as he wasn't wearing gloves when he threw it there.
2) Robert may wake up (around October 23rd, the one year anniversary of Ryan Hawley appearing on ITV Emmerdale as Robert Sugden on 23/10/2014) and tell that the gun Aaron found near Robert and Chas was really his ball-bearing gun which he only uses for fun around the Home Farm Estate and has permission to own?
Reading sources:
http://emmerdale.wikia.com/wiki/Ryan_Hawley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sugden
Emmerdale spoilers: Robert and Andy Sugden to be involved in horror stunt
Duncan Lindsay for Metro.co.uk
Tuesday 13 Oct 2015 10:09 am
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He’s currently recovering from a bullet to the chest – but unlucky Robert Sugden is about to face death again, alongside his brother Andy.
The warring brothers are to be involved in a dramatic stunt – but will they both emerge from it unscathed?
Speaking to Inside Soap, actor Ryan Hawley teased: ‘I’ve been on location filming a big stunt involving Robert and Andy. It should be fantastic!’
We don’t doubt it – whenever Emmerdale pull out the special effects, the results are usually both gripping and impressive. But what will fate have in store for the two Sugden boys?
Emmerdale will air a flashback episode on Thursday 22nd October which will unmask the person who shot Robert.
There are currently a number of suspects which are dividing viewers, all of whom have their own different theories.
But it is clear from this hint from Ryan that things aren’t about to calm down for his alter-ego quite yet…
Source:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/13/emmerd...stunt-5436733/
TV Times, 17-23 October 2015
Killer Instincts
TV Times talks to the three prime suspects in the shooting of Robert Sugden.
It's been hard lately to find anyone in Emmerdale who isn't in the frame for the attempted murder of Robert Sugden but, as the investigations continue, the list of prime suspects has been whittled down to three men with a grudge - Paddy Kirk, Aaron Livesy and Robert's brother Andy Sugden.
Who pulled the trigger? You'll find out this week in a special extended episode to mark the show's 43rd birthday, as the clock is turned back and we see exactly what happened in the moments leading up to his gunning down.
Here's what stars Kelvin Fletcher (Andy), Danny Miller (Aaron) and Dominic Brunt (Paddy) had to say about this gripping hour of television, the second of two episodes on Thursday...
by Sally Brockway
Kelvin Fletcher
>Why would Andy want to kill Robert?
He might fell he owes it to Katie. When he was about to marry her, it was the happiest time in his life. Everything had clicked into place and Robert took it all away. It wasn't just the fact that Robert killed her - after confessing, he lied about it and made everyone think that Andy was losing his mind. Throughout their lives Robert has continually crushed Andy and this time he has gone too far.
>Is Andy really capable of murder?
On the face of it, no he isn't. His heart is good. He is a genuine and sensitive person, but Robert has taken him to a dark place. He has pushed him to the limits and anyone can snap under that kind of pressure.
>Would you like Andy to be the one who pulled the trigger?
There's a tendency for would-be killers to get their comeuppance in soap, but my worry about things that aren't under my control. It might mean my days in the show are numbered, but it's an opportunity to showcase what little talent I may have as an actor, and that is what you strive for.
>Have you enjoyed this storyline?
It has been amazing to play Andy's grief and anger and these storylines are good fun to film. The actual shooting was filmed at night and it's quite exciting to be up working when everyone else is in bed. The best bit is driving home afterwards with no traffic on the roads!
>What can you tell us about this week's big reveal?
I think it's unique. I haven't seen anything like it in soap before and I'm certain that the viewers will enjoy it.
Dominic Brunt
>Why would Paddy want to kill Robert?
Robert has got his claws into Aaron and, being a father figure to Aaron, Paddy doesn't like that. There's also the fact that Robert has tried to kill Paddy twice and threatened his family.
>Is Paddy really capable of murder?
He's not your typical killer, but Paddy wants Robert out of the way at all costs and I think he would go a long way to achieve that. When Robert visited him in hospital and threatened his family, Paddy said, 'I will kill you before I let you do that', and he meant it.
>Have you enjoyed this storyline?
Yes, I have, because working with Ryan Hawley, who plays Robert, has been fantastic. He's one of my favourite actors on the show. I think he's a revelation. And in real life he's lovely - nothing like Robert at all. The hardest bit for me was the night shoots. I left work when the sun came up and I had to pull over at the services to have a sleep as my head was nodding.
>What can you tell us about this week's big reveal?
I don't want to give anything away, but it is really different.
>Would you like Paddy to be the one who pulled the trigger?
Yes. Absolutely. It's great for Paddy to be at the heart of some brilliant Emmerdale storylining.
Danny Miller
>Why would Aaron want to kill Robert?
I'd say he is the biggest suspect of all. Robert really has put him through the mill and ruined his life. He's the sort of person Aaron shouldn't be anywhere near, but he keeps going back because he loves him - even though he has ripped his heart out several times. After everything Robert has done - hiring a hitman to kill Chas, attempting to murder Chas and finishing Katie off, Aaron has every reason to want to shoot him.
>Is Aaron really capable of murder?
The fans might think that Aaron wouldn't do it because he loves Robert, but anyone with a bit of anger and nothing to lose could kill someone, so I wouldn't put it past any of these three. Also Aaron has already shown that he can be a bit violent and if he didn't shoot Robert, he'll wish the person who pulled the trigger had done a better job of it.
>Would you like Aaron to be the one who pulled the trigger?
Big storylines like this are what make the soap so good and Aaron would be a great choice. However, if it was him, I would rather stay in the soap than have to go to prison!
>Have you enjoyed this storyline?
I've loved it. I knew this was going to happen when I first came back. I like the way everyone's pointing the finger at each other and they all have strong motives. The night shoot was fun.
>What can you tell us about this week's big reveal?
It's almost like a Breaking Bad thing. There's a massive twist, although it's been confusing for us actors as we have had to film so many different strands. I'm certain the audience will be shocked. It's something they won't have seen before in a soap.
Emmerdale fans think they’ve cracked Who Shot Robert Sugden as odds are slashed on a bizarre suspect
Duncan Lindsay for Metro.co.uk
Wednesday 14 Oct 2015 1:34 pm
Emmerdale fans think they might have cracked the case as bookies have dramatically slashed the odds on a very unusual suspect.
Just over a week before the big reveal in a special flashback episode, vicar Ashley Thomas has become a hot favourite to be unmasked as the gunman.
Yep, you know Ashley? Mild mannered, religious chap who forgave a girl for running him over?
The inexplicable crash of Ashley through the ranks is highly unusual, but one theory doing the rounds is that he simply forgot shooting Robert due to his recent memory problems.
No-one has yet answered the question on quite why Ashley would want to murder Robert though, but have reasoned that he has been known for losing his temper in the past when he attacked his dad Sandy.
Here are the current odds in full if you fancy a flutter:
Who Shot Robert: The odds
Ross Barton 1/2
Paddy Kirk 5/1
Ashley Thomas 5/1
Rakesh Kotecha 7/1
Aaron Livesy 8/1
Rhona Goskirk 10/1
Lachlan White 10/1
Adam Barton 14/1
Andy Sugden 22/1
Cain Dingle 25/1
Eric Pollard 28/1
Chrissie Sugden 40/1
Lawrence White 40/1
Chas Dingle 50/1
Finn Barton 50/1
Emma Barton 66/1
Pete Barton 80/1
Debbie Dingle 100/1
Belle Dingle 100/1
Harriet Finch 125/1
Jai Sharma 125/1
Victoria Sugden 125/1
Moira Dingle 150/1
Sam Dingle 150/1
Diane Sugden 200/1
Charity Dingle 200/1
Doug Potts 200/1
Edna Birch 400/1
David Metcalfe 400/1
Pearl Ladderbanks 400/1
Rishi Sharma 400/1
Sandy Thomas 400/1
Poll: 'So, did Ashley shoot Robert?'
YES - He's the culprit 21%
NO - Behave, people 79%
Metro article at:
http://metro.co.uk/2015/10/14/emmerd...spect-5439565/
Latest betting odds for Emmerdale - Who shot Robert Sugden at oddschecker.com:
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I really don't think that the betting odds for 'Who shot Robert' are for now (if ever?) any sort of real indicator about 'Who really shot Robert'.
For a start, some of the characters with betting odds had alibis and/or no obvious motive for killing Robert, and let's be clear on this, that gunshot to Robert's heart area really seems to have been meant to be a fatal shot by whoever shot him.
The current betting odds seem to me to be almost random and to make no real sense on any kind of Emmerdale fan basis when any knowledge about known future spoilers, actor contract details, and detailed Emmerdale history about the characters and storylines are taken account of.
I really do not understand why Ashley right now has such a high rating at the bookies. Yes, he might have the onset of dementia/Altzheimer's right now(?) but this in no way means that he would be capable of, or have any kind of motive for, shooting Robert and then (script-conveniently?) forgetting it. We know that Ashley got a mobile phone call from someone in the afternoon of September 25th just after Andy had driven off at speed after being upset over Katie-related issues. My impression is that Ashley was being told on his mobile phone about some kind of appointment later that day? Maybe this was a Village Hall social function for later that night. We know from Chrissie's later police interview that she said she was at the Village Hall that night and then walked home and got a mobile phone call/voicemail from Lawrence (after Robert had been shot, Chrissie didn't reply to the call at the time, however). I think that there was a social function at the Village Hall late on September 25th and that people there included Ashley, Laurel, Eric, Chrissie, amongst others? Maybe the function overran so Ashley couldn't show up on-time at the cafe for the 'Detective' Night?
Just why Ross has such a high rating at the bookies for shooting Robert is puzzling for me? Ross had no obvious real motive for shooting Robert, other than for Ross receiving money from a third party. Maybe this could have been Lawrence (Lawrence and Bernice got back from holiday on September 24th, the day before Robert got shot). I suspect that the majority of betting people do not have any real claim as for being any sort of 'Emmerdale fans' with any knowledge of future storylines or past history and that these betting people have just assumed that Ross has an 'obvious Emmerdale hitman character profile' and just made speculative bets on this limited-knowledge basis?
Although it would be a terrific twist that Robert's shooter was aiming at Chas but missed, the shooter in this scenario of course could not have been Emma, as Emma and James left Emmerdale on Thursday September 17th to look after Nana Barton who had just suffered a stroke. Emma and James didn't return to Emmerdale until Monday October 12th, so James and Emma were on 'actor holiday' when Robert was shot during the September 25th TV episode. Of course, we could maybe still be looking at a hitman contract set up by someone to shoot Chas dead but this really seems too complicated for me, even as an Emmerdale Kate Oates 'fast' storyline?
As far as I can tell, Paddy clicked with Tess in the singles bar and then maybe did some sort of 'canoodling' with her before she either dropped him off from her car near Emmerdale or he really did walk from Robblesfield, 3 miles away from Emmerdale. In any case, Paddy's location when Marlon stopped next to him from Marlon's taxi on the road from Robblesfield was totally wrong for Paddy to be anywhere near where we now know/think where Robert was shot from (from outside the rear door of Bernice's beauty shop in Pear Tree Cottage). We can time when Paddy got talked to by Marlon by when a police car drove past to go to Emmerdale in response to an emergency call after a report had been made that someone had been shot in the village. So for me Paddy is not a credible suspect for shooting Robert.
We have now entered a new Chas stalker storyline. I suspect that some of Chas's most personal incidents are sleep-walking-related? Just how could someone secretly sneak upstairs in the pub to Chas's bedroom and empty some things from her wardrobe onto the floor without her waking? Chas does not have a heavy drink habit as far as I am aware, so unless her natural sleep is very deep or she has been taking sleeping pills without telling us, then I do think she would normally have noticed anyone making some kind of noise in her bedroom or when someone trashed the bar downstairs leaving broken glass and bottles. I believe that Chas is of sound mind but anyone could have sleep-walking issues, maybe for her now that she is under intense stress (with adopted son Aaron in jail right now for gun possession and suspected attempted murder)?
As for Robert's shooter, I still think that the most likely suspect is Lachlan for now, although Ross is a dark character and he may be the shooter too (but unlikely, I think, for now, unless Lawrence offered him shed-loads of cash to do it?).
Since the Wednesday 14th episode showing the crimescene reconstruction, I've noticed a number of new things and now have a new character under suspicion. If Robert's shooter does turn out to be this person then the village really would be rocked if this became general knowledge amongst the villagers. We, as TV viewers, only know for now that we will be shown who shot Robert on September 25th. It is not clear for now if the Emmerdale villagers will know what we will know after Thursday October 22nd or whether they will have to eventually work it out for themselves. Maybe the whole story about Robert's shooting and who did it comes out just before Kate Oates leaves Emmerdale as Series Producer in December 2015? Time will tell.
I suppose Chas just being over-tired lately could explain why she didn't notice anyone quietly sneaking upstairs into her bedroom and rifling through her things in her wardrobe without waking her? I today rewatched the downstairs pub glass and bottle-breaking incident and open pub door on the morning of the Friday October 16th episode and this does suggest an intruder came in from outside but maybe Chas is suffering from blackouts about things she's done but doesn't remember? We haven't really been shown anything concrete about whether Chas has started drinking heavily since Aaron got jailed (Marlon got her three large spirits drinks from the bar on Thursday 15th though) but alcoholic blackout problems could be one reason why Chas is experiencing her present problems? Maybe there is a real stalker who is looking for something in particular which he/she thinks Chas still has (like the gun that Robert dropped in a possible gangster/Robert-related storyline where Robert got shot by a gangster outside the back of the Woolpack on September 25th?). Danny Miller's suggestions to TV viewers/recent magazine article readers suggest that Robert dropped a gun Robert was carrying when he fell into Chas's arms. Maybe Robert was going to meet a suspected armed gangster for some dodgy Robert deal or something on September 25th or maybe this is even the start of a return to Emmerdale for someone with previous history there, like Dodgy Declan? Of course, Aaron could have been lying to Emmerdale and us TV viewers about how he 'found a gun near Chas's feet'. We all know from very painful past experience about how Mike Parr pretended in August 2015 to everyone about how Ross had been killed by Pete (but, of course, we as Emmerdale fans found out that Ross was still alive before Emmerdale showed us this on TV because we found out through other media/personal contacts from Leeds that Mike Parr (as Ross) was still acting on the Leeds Emmerdale set after Ross had supposedly been killed!).
The person who has lately this week struck me as being a terrific would-be storyline character for shooting Robert is Adam. If I was a storyliner for Emmerdale then Adam is definitely the guy I would choose to shoot Robert. Just imagine how terrific Adam would be as Robert's shooter? First off, Adam is married to Victoria, half-sister of Robert and daughter of Diane. Second off, Aaron is Adam's so-called 'best mate', close business partner and maybe even Aaron's deep-down love-interest(?), but if Adam shot at Robert on September 25th then Adam by his own actions would have put Aaron in jail, if only for breach of Aaron's suspended sentence conditions. Third off, Adam would probably have been set up to shoot Robert by someone like Cain or Andy who probably even would have provided Adam with the gun to 'do the deed', so Cain or Andy (or both!) would get roped into the explosive storyline too! Fourth off, Adam plays the 'village dullard' so often now that I for one at least has to come to believe that Adam could be capable of just about anything even half-daft! We know that Cain approaches Adam to help him kill Robert in hospital during the October 20th episode but on this occasion Adam turns Cain's request down and tells Zak so Zak can try to intervene before Cain goes through with trying to kill Robert by oxygen deprivation at the hospital (but don't forget the ding-a-ling oxygen monitors and alarms on that 'staying alive' machine, Cain!). We know that Robert survives Cain's intended attack on Wednesday October 21st because Robert is sitting up in his hospital bed by Friday October 23rd!
The person who really ought to be Robert's shooter and expected assassin should be step-brother-with-a-massive-shoulder-chip Andy, of course, but Andy seems to have an alibi for being an in-patient at a mental health unit away from Emmerdale on the night of September 25th.
If I was going to place bets on 'Who shot Robert' then my choices right now would be:
1st: Lachlan, now 14/1
2nd: Andy, now 22/1
3rd: Adam, now 11/1
(odds provided by oddschecker.com)
Latest betting odds for 'Who shot Robert' now available at:
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did aaron say he was going to see andy at he garage but why was andy at the garage the night robert was shot?
ross emerging as a strong contender for shooter
did aaron say he was going to see andy at he garage but why was andy at the garage the night robert was shot?
ross emerging as a strong contender for shooter
Just a thought, could it have been Emma, trying to shoot Chaz? Not knowing how to use a pistol, she missed and shot Robert. Emma is now terrorising Chaz.
why would emma now, she won she got james back, she is the first suspect after taking chas passportQuote:
Originally Posted by uberfan
:ninja:I dont think she is a rational thinker!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Shes been boiling up for 15-20 years
and now its payback time.I dont think
she necessarily has done shooting but
capable of both that& stalking!
I dont think ???winning ??? James( what a
prize).!! is enough -needs to punish Chas!!
She needs to control all aspects of her familys
life and doesnt like them giving attention ,.no
matter how small, to others.
Theyve said she will get much worse and I
think.she will - thats the purpose of the
character.
Might change under new producer -but that's
a few months away and KO may have plans
for Emma -before she herself leaves??
We will see - as they say!:ninja:
true emma is bats crazy but debbie should be her starting person for revenge
I don´t think Emma thinks rationally like that .. she acts more on impulse and feeling threatened by Chas who she probably suspects is still liked very much by James would make her act in that way
:clap:perhaps SWs are keeping that storyline - inQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
reserve- for Debbie "leaving story" for her
exit on Maternity Leave!?:clap:
Why did Aaron say he was at the garage when he heard the gunshot?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
In the Friday September 25th episode, Robert gets back late to his flat above the pub and tells Diane(?) on his phone that Andy wasn't at the quarry. Lawrence then walks into the flat to have a chat about his daughter. Inside the pub, Aaron is drinking and Doug is talking to Diane on his mobile phone when Diane tells Doug that she and Victoria haven't found Andy at the quarry.
(Chas and Aaron are talking at the bar.)
Chas: Where do you think you're going?
Aaron: To find him if I can.
Chas: Andy?
Aaron: Well who else?
(Aaron then leaves the pub.)
Moira and Pete are drinking in the bar and plan to stay a while longer for another drink before going to meet Ross at Butler's Farm as Ross had texted Pete earlier to arrange a meeting.
Ross is then shown taking Moses into the Dingle's Farm to leave for Kirin and Belle to babysit.
Belle: You're early.
Ross: Somemut's come up.
Belle: Well can't you bring him back later?
Ross: No. He's in the way.
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Ross leaves Moses with Kirin and Belle
Robert and Lawrence argue about the business and Robert tells him how Robert set up Connor to blackmail him. Robert then gets a text message and leaves Lawrence alone in the flat saying "I have somewhere to be". (This is the wedding photo of Chrissie and Robert gets broken by Lawrence, I think.) The obvious sender of the text would be Chas, as the next scene shows Robert and Chas in the car park behind the pub with someone watching them at the back of Pear Tree Cottage. But are we missing a blacked-out scene here and did Robert do something else between leaving Lawrence and meeting up with Chas?
Diane and Victoria arrive back at Robert's empty flat and Victoria finds the broken wedding photo on the floor. Diane then gets a call from Andy on her mobile phone. Andy is upset and "sorry" but won't say where he is or what he's going to do next. Andy then ends the phone call.
The scene then switches of the back of pub in the car park where Chas and Robert are still arguing.
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Robert and Chas argue in the car park at the back of the pub
About a minute later, Robert gets shot. Within what seems like 20 seconds or so, Aaron runs out from the alley behind Pear Tree Cottage and stands some distance away from Chas and Robert.
Aaron talked to Chas during her prison visit in the Friday 16th October episode. On Friday September 25th, Aaron said he'd had a row (with Robert?), then gone to the garage to find Andy but he wasn't there. That's when he heard the shot and ran to the pub car park and found Chas and Robert there.
(During Aaron's prison visit by Chas in the Friday 16th October episode.)
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Chas and Aaron talk during the prison visit on October 16th
Aaron:
After we'd had that row, I... I went to the garage. Just to find Andy but...he wasn't there, so, so I thought about going back round and having it out with Robert again.
But then I heard the shot. And so I started running. And that's when I saw you, with him.
Chas:
And you picked up the gun?
Aaron:
Yeah.
Chas:
Cuz you thought I'd shot him?
Aaron:
Yeah.
Chas:
I can't believe you didn't tell me all this after the police cleared me.
Aaron:
I couldn't. Mum, you acted like I was guilty even before you knew about the gun. I thought if I tell her now...
Chas:
So why say it was planted on ya?
Aaron:
It gave me a reason for not handing it in.
Chas:
So you've had to go through all this on your own? Because you were scared to tell me? Come on, you're not the only suspect. They'll probably charge somebody else tomorrow.
Aaron:
Mum, I'm on a suspended licence. I'm doing time in here regardless of what I'm getting charged with.
Chas:
Not for attempted murder. Listen to me, love. The person who shot Robert is still out there. We need to find them, and we will, so you just hang on in there.
But Aaron's claim of finding the gun near Chas's feet doesn't seem to match with the video footage we've been shown on TV for the September 25th episode.
When Robert gets shot, he falls into Chas's arms, their bodies then twist around so as to swop directions, then Robert falls onto the ground with his feet facing the picnic table. Chas kneels at his left hand side (and doesn't notice any gun). An aerial shot of the scene also doesn't show any gun within the field of view.
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Chas kneels down near Robert after he's been shot / Aerial view of the scene with Chas and Robert after he's been shot
Aaron then runs from behind Pear Tree Cottage and stands some way away from Robert and Chas. There isn't any sign that he stoops down to pick anything up. Doug arrives from the pub, so do Harriet, Bob, Kerry and Dan arrive from the cafe. Diane and Victoria also show up. These are all standing to the left of Robert, and they don't see a gun either. Dan is the first person to join Chas at Robert's body, he kneels down to the right of Robert, and he doesn't notice any gun either. Finally, Aaron approaches Robert, kneels down on to the left of Robert and puts his hands on Robert's chest to try to stop the bleeding. There is still no sign that Aaron picks up a gun and puts it in his pocket. By then, the crowd and Dan have all sides around Robert under view anyway. The ambulance arrives, Aaron steps back, and the paramedics turn Robert over onto his right side. There's still no gun in sight.
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Dan and Aaron try to save Robert / A crowd from the pub and cafe form
So, we only have Aaron's word that he found a gun near Chas's feet and he didn't mention this until he met Chas during the prison visit on Friday Oct 16th. He didn't mention it during his police interview on Thursday 15th either.
For the main part, Aaron seems to have been telling the truth. But there are some things which he's done and said which really don't add up for now, as if he's hiding something or shielding someone. Presumably the shooter was wearing black when he shot Robert from near the door recess at the back of Pear Tree Cottage. The shooter could either have stayed there whilst Aaron ran past without Aaron noticing him, or the shooter could have crossed the alley and knelt in the dark in the garden, or the shooter could have entered Pear Tree Cottage through the back door (previously broken into). Whatever happened, the shooter escaped the scene, either back down the alley or just mingled with the crowd forming at the back of the pub. Of course, the shooter could have been Aaron himself?
Minutes later, Ross enters Mulberry Cottage (second building up from the pub) to tell Debbie that "Robert's been shot" and that he's leaving Emmerdale, maybe for good, as he "nearly" did something that night (with Pete?) and is worried that if he stays in Emmerdale he'll end up in jail. He's going to the airport but doesn't know where he's heading yet. He'll send money for Moses though. Ross then leaves, but reappears in the normal 7pm episode for Thursday October 22nd, the same night as the 'rewind' episode at 8pm.
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Ross tells Debbie he may be leaving Emmerdale for good
(This post is long enough. I'll start a new post to talk about Andy for Friday night, September 25th.)
So was Andy in Emmerdale village on the night of Friday September 2015?
There isn't any confirmed evidence yet of Andy being in Emmerdale village on the night of September 25th 2015 when Robert was shot. So far, Andy has an apparent alibi for being at a mental health unit (in Hotton?) from the afternoon of September 25th for several days.
Aaron told Chas in jail during the Friday episode, October 16th, that he had been looking for Andy at the garage.
We know that Andy has access to a phone though, as he phoned Diane's mobile that night just before Robert was shot. His words were very cryptic.
(Diane has just come into the downstairs hall. She calls up the stairs.)
Diane: Andy. Are you back, love?
(In the pub private lounge upstairs. Victoria picks up the broken framed photo of Robert and Chrissie's wedding from the floor. Diane walks in as Diane's mobile phone rings.)
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Diane gets Andy's phone call just before Robert gets shot
Victoria:
Is it him?
Diane (talking to phone):
Oh, you gave us such a scare. (switches mobile phone to speaker mode)
Andy (on phone):
I'm sorry. (sounds out of breath)
Diane (talking to phone):
Where are you?
Andy (on phone):
Maybe Katie was leaving me. (background has hollow echo. poorly furnished room? garage?)
Maybe that bit is true. But Robert did kill her. I could bet my life on it.
Victoria (talking to phone):
No, Andy, just please come home and we can sort it all owt.
Andy (on phone):
He told me what he did to her. If you'd have heard that, you'd do the same as me. Anybody would. Anybody who's lost what I've lost. (sounds upset)
Diane (talking to phone):
Andy. Listen to me. Don't you dare do anything. The way you're feeling now, it'll pass. We will get you better. Promise me and Victoria you wouldn't do anything. Just tell us where you are.
Andy (on phone):
I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.
Victoria (talking to phone):
No, Andy.
(Andy ends the phone call)
(Scene switches of back of pub in car park where Chas and Robert are arguing. About a minute later, Robert gets shot.)
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Chas and Robert argue / The moment that Robert gets shot
So, we are led for now to think that Andy was around Emmerdale, upset and planning to do something to Robert and, sure enough, Robert got shot about a minute later after Andy ended his phone conversation with Diane. It was only several days later that we found out that Andy claimed to have been in a mental health unit away from Emmerdale from before Robert was shot to when Andy returns to Emmerdale several days later.
Reading again through Andy's phone conversation with Diane now knowing he was supposed to be in a mental health unit from before at the time, does make sense. Andy was upset about Katie, sorry for worrying Diane by leaving Emmerdale without telling her where he was going and how Andy was too upset to talk for too long on the phone. In this state, it seems unlikely that Andy could be a silent marksman assassin waiting in the dark near the back of the pub ready to shoot Robert, apparently a minute or so after the phone call ended. But Andy may of course have earlier set up some sort of hitman to ensure Robert got his comeuppance to pay for what Andy (still) thinks Robert did to Katie. If so, Andy's phone call to Diane could be a sort of guilty apology for what Andy knows what is about to happen to Robert and when?
Robert had previously been in his flat's lounge himself with Lawrence when Robert received a text message from someone. Robert then left Lawrence alone in the lounge saying he had "somewhere to be". (After this is when I reckon Lawrence broke the wedding photo.) Robert is then next seen walking up to Chas in the car park at the back of the pub, BUT I suspect we as TV viewers might have been fooled here and there's a blacked-out scene between Robert leaving the lounge and him meeting Chas.
At first viewing, it looks like Chas texted Robert, whilst Robert was in Robert's lounge, to arrange the meeting. But what if it wasn't Chas, and Chas just happened by coincidence to be taking a break and getting some fresh air? I think there is an entrance to Robert's flat at the back of the pub, so anyone waiting there for long enough would see Robert going in and out of it.
If Andy had set up a hitman to shoot Robert, where would he get money from to pay for it? Maybe Katie had life insurance or Andy had cash from selling a house he had? Duncan Lindsay wrote in the Metro for 3/9/15 that when Andy found out the truth about Robert killing Katie then TV viewers should "prepare for the mother of all payoffs". This phrase has been bugging me in a big way for what it could mean for the past six weeks! Well, Andy using a hitman to kill Robert for money would definitely make that spoiler come true in a big mother way!
Of course, a number of villagers could have set up a hitman for Robert. Chrissie and Lawrence have money. I imagine that Cain could raise cash at short notice from some sort of deal or another. Just about anyone with money who wanted to end Robert but not do it personally could "sub-contract". The hitman could even do the job for a reason other than money (blackmailed by someone? personal revenge?).
We've been promised a big twist and surprise at the end on Thursday, October 22nd. Well, we haven't had a big twist yet really, so we're all still really waiting on that. One biggish twist is going to be on Thursday, though, when the police tell Diane and Victoria that Aaron is the wrong man (I think forensics tell that Aaron's gun wasn't the gun that shot Robert). Just exactly where Aaron got Aaron's gun from will hopefully be explained in the 'rewind' episode.
What I now think that we might see during the 'rewind' episode on TV to be aired on Thursday October 22nd, is that the scenes we've already watched from September 25th were edited so that there were blacked-out scenes. Maybe what we saw on TV on September 25th just didn't connect properly from scene-to-scene and what we need are the 'missing links'? For example, when we saw how Robert got a mobile text message when Robert was in his lounge with Lawrence, the next scene showed how Robert was walking to the pub car park where Chas was standing. We TV viewers for now do not know what happened during the time between Robert leaving the lounge and him arriving and talking to Chas. I suspect that the 'rewind' episode (which spoilers say will explain what really happened in Emmerdale over 2 hours before Robert got shot) will answer questions like this by showing any blacked-out scenes to fill in our knowledge and timeline gaps about what really happened on the night that Robert got shot.
I'm expecting to experience something like what happens in the film "The Sixth Sense"? Watching this film for the first time without knowing how it ends makes the viewer see the story for a 'normal' perspective. Once the ending is known, a second viewing of the film from the 'unusual' perspective is a completely different experience, even though it's the same film, script, actors, everything. This is what makes this film so good. The 'rewind' Emmerdale episode is supposed to be a 'first' for a soap, so maybe this altered perspective theme will be used here too to surprise and thrill us all?
If I was an Emmerdale storyliner, I would want Robert's shooter to be the person who hates Robert enough to 'do the deed' with his/her own finger on the trigger, someone who is happy to have blood on their hands, someone like Andy/Chrissie/Lachlan/Lawrence/Aaron/Chas/Adam, someone with an emotional attachment and ready to get final rewarding personal payback. If it turns out that the person who shot Robert does it for someone else and just for the money from an emotionally detached perspective (as a real hitman would), I'll be really disappointed and think that a great opportunity for a terrific storyline has been missed at the end of Kate Oates's three-year job as Emmerdale Series Producer.
could it be eric to frame chrissie
interesting twist???Quote:
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Yes, I thought on 14th October about the possibility of Emma shooting Robert.Quote:
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But then I started checking and realised that Emma and James were away from Emmerdale from 17th Sep to 12th Oct.Quote:
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So Emma seems to have an alibi of sorts but how solid is this and is this yet another red herring for the 'Who shot Robert' storyline?Quote:
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Chas was questioned by Detective Sergeant Hart at the back of the Woolpack during the Wednesday October 14th reconstruction episode.
DS Hart: In your statement you say you were standing here, facing this way.
Chas: (Standing where she was when Robert was shot at the back of The Woolpack)
Yeah. I was talking to Robert. I was here and he was there.
DS Hart: And did you hear anything before the shot was fired?
Chas: No. Nothing. Nobody.
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Chas standing where she was when she was talking to Robert
DS Hart: And where do you think the shot came from?
Chas: There. (Points behind towards the corner at the back of Pear Tree Cottage)
I felt the bullet. Felt a whoosh of air.
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Chas says she felt a whoosh of air
DS Hart: OK so I'll stand here where you say you were, and if you walk to where you think the gunman was standing.
Chas: (Stands next to the stone wallpost behind Pear Tree Cottage)
Here. It had to be here.
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Chas stands where she thinks the shot came from
Diane: Lawrence said he shot him from that direction. (points towards corner garages.)
Adam: What there?
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Aaron is agitated and looks shiftily at Adam
Vic: And Chas would lie because...?
Andy: Well you tell me?
(Chas walks back to the DS Hart.)
DS Hart: OK, er...so what happened next?
Chas: I heard the, I heard the shot. And then he just crumpled into my arms.
DS Hart: It's OK. Take your time.
Chas: I stood up. (Gasps) I'm sorry.
DS Hart: If you need a break.
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Aaron gets really agitated when Chas starts to talk about the moment that Robert got shot
Chas: No thanks.
DS Hart: Did you turn to see who fired the shot?
Chas: All I saw was Robert. All I could hear was the noise in my head. It just happened so quickly.
DS Hart: Who was the first person on the scene?
Chas: Aaron. My son.
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Aaron looks at Adam
DS Hart: And where did he come from?
Chas: I don't know, I can't remember. All I saw was Robert struggling to breathe. I'm sorry, that's all I can remember.
I'm expecting the shooter to turn out to be an existing Emmerdale villager rather than a new character or external hitman, and I am really hoping that the shooter personally shot Robert for a very strong emotional reason and wasn't someone just paid by another person to pull the trigger instead.
Clearly the shooter was either an incredible shot (managing to hit target Robert near his heart and missing Chas as well when she was so near) or the shooter missed target Chas because the shooter was a young/inexperienced person or a very daring/over-confident person. One question I have is, if the shooter really wanted to be sure of shooting someone dead at such close range, why didn't the shooter use a more powerful handgun and bullet? This is one reason why I don't think the shooter was a professional hitman from outside Emmerdale.
Although we've all been led to believe that Aaron has been covering for Chas, I think he's also been covering for spmeone else. I think Aaron may have seen and run past someone in the alley behind Pear Tree Cottage on the night of September 25th 2015 as he ran from the garage to the car park behind The Woolpack, maybe stopping at the door recess behind Pear Tree Cottage to look at the scene of Chas kneeling next to Robert at the back of the car park? Aaron hasn't yet said anything about passing or seeing anyone in the alley yet, however, but during the crime reconstruction on October 14th, Aaron gave several suspicious sideways glances to other villagers after DS Hart asked Chas some crucial questions, as the script and photos above show, in particular when DS Hart asked Chas who was first on the scene. We do know that several characters without known alibis yet, but were definitely out in the village then, were Lachlan and Ross. Chrissie claimed to have an alibi in Eric. There is evidence that Paddy was outside the village and walking towards it on the road from Robblesfield when the police arrived after Robert had been shot. The whereabouts of Cain and Adam are completely unknown so far, but there was no camera view of either in the pub earlier when Aaron was drinking in there and talking to Chas or in the village before, during and just after the shooting.
This 'Who shot Robert' storyline has been one of the most thought-provoking soap storylines for ages, full of red herrings and false leads. The news blackout for reliable spoilers for the shooter's identity has been like nothing else for ages too. No reliable primary news source has yet answered the question of 'Who shot Robert' by publishing any clear words like "...Robert was shot by (name)...". The available reliable spoilers for weeks 26th-30th October and 2nd-6th November suggest that nothing major changes in the village after the 'rewind' revelations which we TV viewers will see on Oct 22nd, so maybe we get to know who Robert's shooter was but the villagers remain 'in the dark' and the case is unsolved for them for now?
Video showing crime reconstruction on Emmerdale 14th October 2015 (21min 53sec) at:
www.dailymotion.com/video/x39ojrn
ITV has released a video trailer for the Emmerdale Rewind episode to be shown tonight. Another video is also available online which shows the filming of scenes during the making the the Rewind episode.
Emmerdale's Rewind hour-long episode airs tonight on ITV from 8pm.
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Aaron waits in the door recess and looks down the alley then looks at the scene behind the pub
ITV Video Trailer: Emmerdale Rewind 22 October (34 sec)
It's time to rewind the clocks... #WhoShotRobert at:
http://www.itv.com/emmerdale/extras/...merdale-rewind
Behind the scenes video of the making of the Rewind episode at:
http://footprintsandfingerprints.tum...hotrob-episode
Kate Oates is due to leave Emmerdale as Series Producer in December 2015.
Surely, the 'Who shot Robert' storyline has to be Kate Oates's 'crowning glory', the BIG BANG! for her and a truly cracking and unforgettable Emmerdale exit storyline for TV viewers?
I really don't believe that Kate Oates would be very happy if her exit Emmerdale storyline is anything other than a well-thought out, completely-kept-secret and alternative surprise ending to 'thrill and shock' all of us Emmerdale TV viewers.
Are you aware there has been a leak? I won't reveal the details. It's a shame because a lot of people have had the episode ruined.
I think Kate Oates has a major thing for Michael Parr (Ross) that he is involved in many major storylines
Overall I was disappointed in the flashback hour episode with the reveal of Ross as the shooter for Andy and Paddy being exposed as a cheat and Ashley potentially having dementia
Yes me too, Emmerdale has become Rossdale and I'm disappointed he had to muscle in on this storyline. :angry: I wanted it to be more focussed on the people who had been victim's of Robert. Aaron, Lawrence & Chrissie barely featured & yet again the wrong person is in jail. :thumbsdow Free Aaron :(