Wasn't that Pete? Of course, we never actually saw Pete's body either. Hmmmmm.....:hmm::hmm:
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Wasn't that Pete? Of course, we never actually saw Pete's body either. Hmmmmm.....:hmm::hmm:
he is next walking dead to returnQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
EastEnders star Gillian Taylforth has revealed that Kathy's sons Ian Beale and Ben Mitchell could forgive her for faking her own death.
Kathy faces a tough ride over the coming months as she comes clean with her loved ones about her whereabouts over the last nine years.
However, the question on everyone's lips is how Ian and Ben will react upon learning that Kathy let them grieve for their mother when she wasn't actually dead.
Speaking at an EastEnders press event about how Kathy will explain herself to her sons, Taylforth said: "I don't know how she is going to it but she will have to find a way.
"There are reasons why this manipulative Gavin, who is a control freak, got hold of her and controls everything she does.
"Kathy has become someone who can't function without him, but hopefully she will get the boys back. She has to explain so much to them but bit by bit, you found out why she has become the person she has done."
"They start understanding that their mum has been brainwashed. They understand and I am hoping they forgive her."
Taylforth admitted that she initially had trouble understanding Kathy's reasons for abandoning her sons.
She said: "As a mother myself, I can't even think about driving off and leaving my children. There is an episode where she talks about driving off and waving at him, knowing she wasn't coming back.
"Gavin made her do it [the insurance scam] but Ben thought she was coming back and she knew she was never going to see him again.
"Young Harry, who plays Ben, is such a fantastic actor. He is really fantastic and the scenes I did with him a few weeks ago were brilliant."
EastEnders executive producer Dominic Treadwell-Collins has explained his decision to bring Kathy Beale back from the dead.
Kathy (Gillian Taylforth) was killed off screen in a car accident in 2006, but it has recently become apparent that her death was part of an insurance scam concocted by her manipulative husband Gavin.
Speaking at an EastEnders press event, Treadwell-Collins discussed his reasons for bringing Kathy back this year, admitting that it was important that the story was credible.
He said: "When I came back, Alex [Lamb, story producer], Sharon [Batten, serious producer] and myself always said we wanted Kathy back but we kept saying we would only do it if we had a credible story to bring her back.
"The anniversary felt like the right time. It was about going back to our history and bringing back a Beale matriarch that we all want to see. Gillian and I saw each other at the RTS awards and Gillian said she wanted to come back.
"We went and sat in a corner and everyone was looking at us. I then said to the writers "This is your challenge : make it credible. If it is credible, it will happen" and the rest is history. This is the flip side of the canoe man story that happened in real life. We wouldn't have done it if it wasn't credible."
Treadwell-Collins also described Kathy's return as like the "avengers assemble", adding that Gavin will be the most dangerous villain the show has ever seen.
He said: "I said the other day that it is a bit like the avengers assemble because you've got Gillian Taylworth, you've got Adam Woodyatt, you've Letitia Dean, you've got Steve Mcfadden.
"And then adding into that mix you've got Harry Reid, who I think has made Ben Mitchell utterly his own and you are about to see some amazing, amazing stuff from him over the next few months."
"Then there is Paul Nicholas, who has created the most manipulative and dangerous EastEnders villain we have ever had. He makes Archie Mitchell look like a care bear."
An insurance scam isn't credible, Kathy is a rape victim, was married to Phil and slept with Grant but cowers for this husband Gavin so lies to her sons she died, always thought Kathy was a strong character
Kathy was as you describe and basically a decentQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
strong woman and a good mother. Its the
complete change of personality I will find
difficult to believe.
And another Doormat is born!!
And Paul Nicholas will have a job to outdo
"Archie" who I thought was a believably evil
person- without being panto or ridiculous!
p.s. 2 small points John Darwin on whose
scam this was based was missing for 5 years
-Kathy for 9 yrs- nearly double - so adds to
disbelief.
Sharon Batten is described in above
interview as serious producer -does this
mean the others are now officially jokes.
Typo for series?
dupl
I think it'll all depend on how Kathy and Gavin's relationship comes across on screen. If you read or watch any real life domestic abuse (including psychological abuse) stories, it's always said even the strongest person can become a victim. I think if she'd come to rely on Gavin during a very vulnerable period of her life it could be credible, especially as she was living thousands of miles away from her home and support network.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I hope a lot of thought has gone into making it credible.
Let's hope this story is the start of Kathy finding the strength to break away from Gavin.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
You're right, Archie was a fantastically evil villain without veering into being panto. It's hard to imagine how Gavin will outdo him.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
So was Peggy when she was with Archie, but she still ended up marrying him (only for a hew hours mind you, but still). The problem with these type of guys, is that they don't start crushing people's souls right away. They start off small, through suggestion and manipulation; so small that their victims don't even notice it. I think if Gavin had done something big straight away, like hit her or something, Kathy would have immediately squared up to him and left. But like I said, they always start off with something unnoticeable, suggesting things like "You shouldn't do that," or "Try this. It's better". You do what they say because what they ask first isn't that big of a deal, and you don't want to cause a fuss. Then, over time, they have more and more 'suggestions' that become more and more elaborate and commanding, and before you know it, you wake up and find yourself doing everything they want you to do, with no freewill of your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
It's so easy to happen. Even the strongest willed people have ended up losing their inner strength because of people like that.
Regarding making the story credible. Two things-Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Im sorry to say I dont take much notice of
who the writers are -but hopefully it will
be the ones who have written recent Shabnam
episodes -not the "Dean" ones.But as story
will run for some time-probably a mixture.
Secondly -as you have said it depends how
its explained to Ian &Ben and their reaction.
As Ben was a small boy when Kathy left
him - might expect he would be most bitter
But it may not turn out that way - small
boys can be very protective of their mothers
- especially if they are old enough to understand
bad treatment and remember it.
So lets hope all facets of story well - thought
out!!
I think the unbelievability of scam rests
not on Kathy being bullied/co-erced into
it but on the fact they got away with it -at all
and for so long.
Also that it will come to light through confession
rather than normal processes!
dupl
For Kathy to abandon her sons especially young Ben and let them believe she was dead as Gavin was or is that bad why didn't she try to leave or end her life as sons think she is dead already
It will be hard for anyone to out do Archie, Larry Lamb played him brilliantly
The way I look at it is that the so-called "canoe man" and his wife got away with it until they regretted it and decided they wanted their old lives back. It's reasonable to assume therefore that there must be others who've got away with it completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
The key phrase in the spoiler to explain Kathy's actions is "brainwashing". At the moment I'm waiting to hear it from Kathy's lips before I decide whether I find her explanation for abandoning her sons credible or not. I think it sounds promising though, and at least it's different than witness protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
A lot does depend on Kathys explanation andQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
how well she puts it over.I hope it does sound
believable- as I like the character.
And she achieved what for me is the almost
impossible- making P Mitchell seem romantic!
In the early days on the banks of the Seine in
Paris!
re " Canoe man" - it was a very convulted plot
but I thought the police were suspicious already
because of wifes behaviour and were investigating
( this would be actual police-not soap police!)
And the reason canoe man decided to come
back and feign amnesia was due to change in
Panamas visa laws which would have meant
he would have been discovered.-and ended up
in a less hospitable prison than one of ours!?
so went for the better option? but would have
been found out anyway?
A lot does depend on Kathys explanation andQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
how well she puts it over.I hope it does sound
believable- as I like the character.
And she achieved what for me is the almost
impossible- making P Mitchell seem romantic!
In the early days on the banks of the Seine in
Paris!
re " Canoe man" - it was a very convulted plot
but I thought the police were suspicious already
because of wifes behaviour and were investigating
( this would be actual police-not soap police!)
And the reason canoe man decided to come
back and feign amnesia was due to change in
Panamas visa laws which would have meant
he would have been discovered.-and ended up
in a less hospitable prison than one of ours!?
so went for the better option? but would have
been found out anyway?
I just had a quick look at the John Darwin (Canoe Man) wiki page. It seems the police were suspicious because his wife hadn't been behaving like a grieving widow and had bought a property in Panama, and also due to an overheard phone conversation. There were no charges until John showed back up though, so they got away with it for five years.
I think there's bound to be a few people in the world living off the proceeds of their faked deaths. It's impossible that 100% of people are caught for any crime.
Lord Lucan was never found ... :ninja:
If she was brainwashed by Gavin, she could have been led to believed that her sons would be killed so she abandoned them to protect them, especially young BenQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
If she was brainwashed by Gavin, she could have been led to believed that her sons would be killed so she abandoned them to protect them, especially young BenQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I await to see how he brainwashed herQuote:
Originally Posted by Siobhan
True - but then his main crime was murder!Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
At the risk of sounding cynical -the law is
harsher on crimes of property (.money etc)than
crimes against the person(.murder rape sexual
&physical assault) The punishments for financial
crimes are harsher snd more rescources put into
solving them.
Id have to say that changed a bit recently due
to the avalanche of child sexual abuse cases
going back decades. That has changed the balance
at least for now.
Some people think Lord Lucan is still alive
or if not only recently deceased - S Africa
has been mentioned.
As a British "Lord" is/was a member of a very
self -protective club-who really look.after their
own.!!
Anyway hes definitely not in my garden shed!!!
:hmm: Only got your word for that :p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Very true!!:cheer::)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Kathy Beale is back from the dead in the new trailer for EastEnders.
The formidable character - played by Gillian Taylforth - returns to Albert Square next Friday (August 11), ten years after faking her own death.
EastEnders Gillian Taylforth on Kathy return: 'I can't wait to get into The Vic and the cafe'
Kathy was at the centre of one of EastEnders' biggest ever surprises in February when she briefly reappeared in the show's 30th anniversary week, following her off-screen 'death' in 2006.
Executive producer Dominic Treadwell-Collins recently explained his decision to bring Kathy back.
"When I came back, Alex [Lamb, story producer], Sharon [Batten, series producer] and myself always said we wanted Kathy back but we kept saying we would only do it if we had a credible story to bring her back," he said.
Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...#ixzz3kppicAqY
her return ad is awful hope the end storyline is better
The thing I am annoyed about is Sharon (Atleast we know she will) will decide Ian and Ben are better off without her and should remain dead. She can bugger off because it's Ian's and Ben's choice whether they want anything to do with Kathy when they find out. Just annoys me that Sharon can just decide for herself.
Well -if thats what Sharon decides?- fromQuote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
the spoilers pics we saw - the decision
wont have much effect !!! at least not.for
long.
But its a general fault in soaps( and real
life).that well- meaning people keep info
from others on the grounds it will upset
or be bad for them!!
When no one really knows how some one
else feels inside-they can only guess.
With small children it can be for protection
- but not for adults.
In real life the truth will usually emerge -
but now there may be additional bitterness!
In soaps keeping info from.characters is
often a ploy to pad a story out a bit!!
Well -if thats what Sharon decides?- fromQuote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
the spoilers pics we saw - the decision
wont have much effect !!! at least not.for
long.
But its a general fault in soaps( and real
life).that well- meaning people keep info
from others on the grounds it will upset
or be bad for them!!
When no one really knows how some one
else feels inside-they can only guess.
With small children it can be for protection
- but not for adults.
In real life the truth will usually emerge -
but now there may be additional bitterness!
In soaps keeping info from.characters is
often a ploy to pad a story out a bit!!
sharon and kathy don't get on over mitchell brothersQuote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
Sharon of all people knows what it is like for a dead parent to show up, she should tell Ian after all he is her best friend or even like a brother to her :angry:
Maybe her head's spinning trying to keep track of all the secrets flying around? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Or perhaps Kathy asks her to keep quiet so she has a chance to break the news to Ian herself?
Talking about Sharon's comment that Ian's like a brother to her: remember the DNA test they took that was corrupt and didn't provide an answer, and given the very popular theory that Gavin is Sharon's real father - DTC wouldn't retcon Gavin as Ian's father too...would he????!!!!! :eek:
EastEnders gives you all of the gossip on Kathy Beale's return to Albert Square in a mini-documentary.
Just as Kathy makes her long-awaited return to Walford, take a walk down memory lane for a brief history of the iconic character in the video below:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2...po2yRHTwdOfg2w
Far from just a retrospective, Gillian Taylforth also reveals secrets from filming her shocking return to the Square earlier in the year.
"I remember the director saying to me, 'Let's milk it'," Taylforth recalled. "It was like, wring them udders! I think I milked it for all I could."
EastEnders viewers were stunned when it was revealed that Kathy had faked her tragic death many years ago for an insurance scam.
Gillian Taylforth: 'Hollyoaks was fun but EastEnders feels more like home'
EastEnders boss had his doubts about Kathy return until he remembered a Coronation Street plot
Now that she's back on the scene, Kathy is all set to rumble with long-time lover Phil Mitchell (Steve McFadden) and Sharon Watts (Letitia Dean) in the weeks ahead.
EastEnders continues on BBC One – now with much more Tracey the Barmaid.
digitalspy
so will kathy and phil ignite their past romance
Almost certainly. They already had a "moment" in the garage. :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I really want Phil to stay faithful to Sharon though (and I definitely don't want to see her being his doormat). Perhaps we'll be pleasantly surprised?
I think Sharon is thinking of herself and her marriage to Phil so wants Kathy gone and to stay dead
Won't Kathy be arrested if she comes back permanetly on the square or will the whole square just keep quiet and not inform the authorities. The latter seems unlikely because its ground 0 for the police.
Phil, Peggy, Billy, Sharon, Ronnie, Tracy and Mick all know she is alive nowQuote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
Of course, this is the same people hiding Lucy's killer and would of hid Dot from the police. The truth is an alien concept to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
.
There's a spoiler showing Kathy being arrested. If she wants her old life back she needs to officially re-assume her identity - meaning the police will find out whether the residents of Albert Square are prepared to keep her secret or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx
This is the post: http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/s...998#post828998
Obviously she won't be held for long, though I can't imagine why. Perhaps she does some kind of deal?
Confusingly, she appears to be living with Gavin in Notting Hill when she's arrested... :hmm: