I think everybody is entitled to believe what they wish but I agree totally about Chinese whispers.
If god does exist, who created him? And did each higher being (God, Allah etc) create something of their own? Do they conflict with each other?
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I think everybody is entitled to believe what they wish but I agree totally about Chinese whispers.
If god does exist, who created him? And did each higher being (God, Allah etc) create something of their own? Do they conflict with each other?
But doesnt each religion only believe in one God?
Another thing that I dont understand, never have, is the timeline of events, like the creation of adam and eve, but when did dinasaurs come into it? And when was the first man ever really here
My head hurts just reading this thread, how confusing!
Yeah I do, but in the exam I wouldn't mention that because it isn't a factor of the argument i wouldn't get any marks for that - although it is a good point :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
The creating of the world - there could have been different Gods/many Gods/ a lesser God/God who died after making it and let the Earth run it's own course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abigail
Evolution and the problem of evil are two massive problems to the God of classical theism (religious image of God).
That's why there is fedism - blind faith. Reason contradicts faith. You can't try and reason that there is a God, like in the Ontological argument (if you are rational and you can think of the concept of God he exists) - it just doesn't work. You just have to have faith...basically. :p
Each religion does only believe in one god. I'm not sure what Christians think of the Muslim or Jewish higher being and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
I have a friend who is a Christian and she thinks dinosaurs are a figment of scientists' imaginations! Sod all those bones and skeletons in the Natural History Museum, they must have been man made :rolleyes:
Adam and Eve is what Christians believe. Dinosaurs are a scientific discovery.
Do you know Anselm said that we deserve evil in the world because it is seminally present in Adam. And that God is merciful and just for letting some people survive - like in earthquakes and miracles. :eek: :thumbsdowQuote:
Originally Posted by AbigailEach religion does only believe in one god. I'm not sure what Christians think of the Muslim or Jewish higher being and vice versa.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
I have a friend who is a Christian and she thinks dinosaurs are a figment of scientists' imaginations! Sod all those bones and skeletons in the Natural History Museum, they must have been man made :rolleyes:
Adam and Eve is what Christians believe. Dinosaurs are a scientific discovery.
My friend is Christian but she accepts the dinasour thing. You can't really deny it. Your friend is experiencing blind faith. :lol:
Thats what confuses me, we have proof of what did exist and how we evolved, but how did the animals get here in the first place
And Kasple what is the Ontological argument?
I think she's a Fundamentalist but she's not admitting it. I don't see her that often or talk to her, she usually comes out with some religious bull (in my opinion) that makes no sense and has been disproved by science.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarsOfCCTV
GOD! :lol: No idea. Leave it to the scientists. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
From my notes: This would be a part C answer (24 marks)
Ontological argument:
If we understand the concept and are rational then we must believe God exists.
Argument 1 For
Anselm – our idea of God must be of the greatest possible being otherwise he wouldn't be the greatest being. Can think of greatest possible being. The greatest possible being – a being that exists – God.
Response 1
Guanilo's response – Perfect island - If it doesn't exist it would not be perfect – so the perfect island exists. Concept of unicorn – just because you have concept doesn't mean it exists.
Response 2
Anselm's response – God is a necessary being – God has the property of necessary existence – only God. Island does not have the property of necessary existence.
Argument 2 For
Descartes key points – Existence is a perfection. God has all perfections. Therefore God exists.
Descartes– Idea of valley, idea of mountain. But valleys and mountains do not have necessary existence. God and existence, can't separate idea. Can't imagine God not existing. So God exists. Once we accept existence is a perfection and God has all perfections, we must think he exists.
Criticisms
Kant's criticisms:
1. 'Existence is not a predicate. To say something exists gives us no new information.
2. 'God exists' cannot be a necessary truth. Must be subject, must be predicate. Necessary truth – predicate contained in the subject.
3. It is an empirical observation – cannot be known a priori. To know something exists we must know it empirically – through the senses.
Conclusion
The Ontological argument doesn't work because 'existence' is not a predicate. To say something exists tells us nothing about the subject. God cannot be known just through a priori – through reason.
Okaaaaayy then...
This sounds interesting but is hard to get my head around. I have no idea how you remember all this stuf. Makes you sound really intelligent though (not that you're not, I'm just saying that well reasoned arguments make people look really clever).