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I think you could have spotted a trend here... who else begins with the letter 'S'? Shirley?
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Originally Posted by Florijo
I think you could have spotted a trend here... who else begins with the letter 'S'? Shirley?
My heart went right out to Steven in tonight's episode. If only Jane han't come just then Ian would hve hugged Steven and Steven would have cried on his shoulder. I don't believe Ian was to blame. He did his best by the boy and was understadably angry but when Steven began to talk he seemed to get less angry. Was Steven going to commit suicide? I'm watching the repeat at 10 so I'll look carefully. I thought it was going to be really violent but it wasn't after all. That was a bad move on Luy's part - calling Jane. It would have been better if she hadn't. Ian dealt with it best apart from trying to phone the police. I can understand Steven and i know in hostage situations you obey the captor and the last thing you do is contact anyone - especially police.
I felt sorry for Steven. What he did was terrible but I feel sorry for him. I agree, Ian wasn't to blame. I don't think Lucy knew what to do really. Ian was stupid trying to call the police but then he didn't know Steven had a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
I think he was going to commit suicide. Jane was stupid. Ian had the situation calm then Jane comes barging in. Lucy must have told her Steven had a gun so what the hell was she thinking?
I had sympathy for Steven and Lucy and respected Ian to some extent. I didn't like what Jane did and Lucy wass unwise to do that - Ian would have told her not to. Even at thirteen I would have had more sense. Jane would be angry and overreact and that is the last thing either Ian or Steven need. I wanted to give Steven a hug tonight. He has just proved to me he is not evil, just unwell.
I suppose it was something we needed to see (as in we needed to know what Steven's issues are) but i was so bored
Bored? I was totally gripped. I even watched the repeat at 10 on BBC3 and I'm defiitely seeing the omnibus tomorrow.
I can totally understand Jane's reaction. She didn't know that Ian and Steven had come to some sort of understanding. After everything that Steven has put her through over the past few weeks, her reaction of elation and relief at seeing Ian coupled with her fury towards Steven I think was spot on.
I suppose, but she could have listened to Ian when he told her not to do anything stupid. Also Lucy didn't need to phone Jane at that point. She could just have waited. If i were Lucy that is what i would have done - just wait. If i were Jae, however angry I was at Steven and however relieved I was to se Ian I wouldn't have goaded Steven like she did or punched him because it is obvious the man is unwell and actually even Jane could have sensed the mood was calmer and seen that Ian was on the point of hugging Steven.
I thought last night's episode was brilliant! Even my husband who hates Eastenders thought it was good.
I can understand Jane's reaction - she had no idea what Ian and Steven had been discussing, only that Steven had been putting her, the kids and Ian through hell for over a week.
I wonder if there is any way back at all for Steven from such disgrace. I want to hope there is because I have compassion for him but it is so hard to forgive someone - brother, stepson - or not for causing such pain and creating such havoc.
Ian and the twins will probably forgive him because of obvious emotional ties.
Jane however is different - after what she has gone through recently and with what is still to come I would be surprised if she could ever really forgive him. I certainly couldn't and wouldn't.
But this is a Soap and I expect the Beales, including Steven will all be having a happy Christmas dinner together in a couple of months and none of this will even be mentioned.
I suppose the gun did go off accidentally when Lucy, Ian and Jane were trying to stop Steven committing sucide. I agree that Jane would find it very difficult. She may be civil to him though for the sake of Ian and the twins. Pat might forgive him because she knows himbetter than anyone - even Ian. Lucy is quite close to him. Ian? - maybe he will come round, eventually. This was such a terrible tragedy though. If only he had not taken Lucy to that flat but handed both the gun and himself in, then maybe Ian would have dropped the charges given that Steven made the effort to hand himself in but on th other hand they wouldn't have reached that understanding. I am now guessing Steven was in this on his own though t one point a lot of people suspected Gina was in on it too though I never believed that.
I respect that you have a lot of empathy for Steven, he really is a tortured soul. I never watched EE when Cindy was alive, but listening to Steven last night, it sounds like Steven thought his mother could do no wrong. He even had a bit of a moment with Dot when she didn't say how wonderful Cindy was to Steven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Steven was never 'right' though. I started watching EE about the time Janine was getting all those poison pen letters that came from Steven.
Personally I expected the episode to be a lot better.
Same...I think EE could've done better. Still looking forward to Monday's episode though! :D
Thanks for saying that - about the empathy I mean. It's true. I do have a lot of empathy for him and in some ways though I certainly haven't gone through what he has, I can understand how he's thinking and feeling and everything. What he did was definitely wrong but like you said he was never "right". He is very intense about things. He has idolised his dead mum and when he discovered going to New Zealand was a mistake because Simon did not want him he really needed to find someone to blame because he couldn't accept he was wrong and the ideal person was Ian.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzanneI respect that you have a lot of empathy for Steven, he really is a tortured soul. I never watched EE when Cindy was alive, but listening to Steven last night, it sounds like Steven thought his mother could do no wrong. He even had a bit of a moment with Dot when she didn't say how wonderful Cindy was to Steven.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Steven was never 'right' though. I started watching EE about the time Janine was getting all those poison pen letters that came from Steven.
Like the actor said he convinced himself that it was Ian's fault his mum died in prison and he clung to this notion until it became a fixed delusion because it enabled him to blame the man whom he felt had betrayed him by lying to him about his parentage for 13 years. Yes I saw that - I was quite shocked when the culprit of the poison pen letters turned out to be Steven. Yes he has put Cindy on a pedestal - saying how beautiful she was and everything and the twins were a bit scared by his obsession with their dead mum. I have compassion with him despite being angry about his treatment of Ian. Ian as beginning to understand i think but then Lucy sneaked out and ruined everything by bringing along Jane who is unsurprisingly angry and upset and makes the situation worse.
I found friday was a very dark episode.... loved that Ian picked Jane out of all his ex wifes. Stephen really does need to move on, Ian was right. his move to NZ didn't turn out for stephen so he blames is all on Ian.. Jane should have kept her mouth shut but what a great right hook she gave him
I thought it was really good the writing was better than usual as well as it was really gripping listening to Ian and Stephen in the room. All you needed was the dialogue there was no action. I can't wait till Monday.
Considering it was written by one of EE worse writers, it was good. Long dialogue episodes are always harder to watch if the dialogue isn't sharp and snappy but I think the fact it was about such long standing characters such as Ian, Cindy and Steven helped make it interesting.
I'm not sure there is anyway back for Steven but the fact he isn't being made out to be evil, just messed up, gives hope that they can. Ian and Lucy obviously care about him, as does Pat.
Tonight's episode was fantastic and Aaron was brilliant, even topped Friday night. Yes I believe Steven - it was definitely an accident. He was in complete shock and totally devastated when he injured Jane. I thought Lucy would be quite severe when reminding him that his actions affected all around him not just Ian but she wasn't she was quite calm, well not calm but she didn't seem angry - just hurt, betrayed and bewildered. I can't blame ian for hating Steven at the moment. The gun firing mayhave been an accident but his behaviour was totally despicable. Locking Ian up and allowing his family to believe he was dead, consoling Jane when he was the cause of their misery, manipulating the photos - even Lucy said so and she couldn't believe it.
The only reason I am sorry for him is because he is ill and even Ian realised it in the end. He still has compassion for Steven - he was shaking and saying things about being unable to eat or sleep - I wonder what he meant by that. Yet if his life in New Zealand - and he himself chose to go - was so bad why did he not ring Ian and ask to come home? Ian would have welcomed him with open arms, the twins would have been delighted and Jane glad to meet him. In general I disapprove of lying to the police naturally but under these circumstances however angry Ian was with her for it, she did right I think. Prison won't benefit Steven - he needs hekp and it's good to see that Ian's affection for Lucy prompted him to go and see his stepson.
I really hope that when Steven is better they can sort this mess out though Steven is going to have to worlk very hard after what he has done to show his repentance etc. I'm glad Jane realised that she shouldn't have hit him and that he needs help. She saw now that Ian had him calm and what she did made him unstable again.
I feel sorry for Steven - he is ill not evil and that has been the key. He isn't some evil kid out to harm, he is ill.
Brilliant episode tonight. Kudos to Aaron. For his first big acting role, he has been a brilliant find. The bit when he said "Dad" and Ian left was very sad. Ian's devastation in the car was sad too.
Little Bobby is a star. He is so cute.
I was sorry for Steven too and I agree that a psychiatric hospital is better for him than prison. Steven finally called Ian "dad" after so long but its too late, it's just too late. Even if they manage to get through this after he is better - it will never be quite the same again. I can't blame either ian Jae or Lucy for being angry wiyth him - he has wrecked the family and acted against the people who cared most about him, yet he is ill and I sympathise with him. Jane guesed that Steven would have a mental breakdown and she turned out to be absolutely right. Any normal person if unhappy would have done the right thing, rung up and come home but Steven isn't normal - that bit about being confused between images in his head and reality was scary. I wish he could have apologised and thanked Ian for taking him to the hospital but I suppose he wasn't well enough. I wonder how Pat will react to the news.
Loved tonight's episode, the acting was superb from all, i actually thought Melissa stole the show tho. Hope we get some more episode's like this :thumbsup:
Why did the Police not query why the Beales were in a flat on the top floor of an abandoned tower block? They must have asked them for names and address details so would know that they weren't homeless squatters.
Thanks I was thinking of the same thing, the police are going to be really interested,,,cos Ian is there,, his wife is shot and his daughter is there and some unknown assilant has scarpered off .. Ian was reported missing by his wife and now hes up there in an abondonded housing complex ..how did his wife know to find him and his daughter ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
Will be interesting to see how EE handles all this,,:wall:
Also Ian told the Police on the phone that he knew who the shooter was. Lucy, as good a liar as she may be then tells the Police a **** and bull story which they seem to swallow completely, no questions asked.
Just what I was thinking. Lucy's story wouldn't stand up for a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
Also, isn't Ian lucky to just happen to know someone (who we've never heard of before) who runs a mental health clinic who can take Steven in - probably at the cost of something like £3000 a week - immediately?
As far as the Police are aware there is still a gunman on the loose - this has got to be followed up surely. Otherwise, just when Eastenders has been enjoying a purple patch for several months it will lose credibility again.
I wonder if anyone will tell Simon?
I thought the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
Great episode i felt so sorry for Ian and Steven great acting for all involved. It easy to see how Lucy is Cindy's daughter
Does any one think that Simon will show up and take his mixed up son back to New Zealand ?? Or Pat takes him back ( isn't it about time for her to take a HOLIDAY ..shes loosing her tan lol )
Wow it's all so serious!!!!!
If you listen to the show you'd have heard Police ladying saying about Ian having some kind of break down and that's why he was there, as for interogating Lucy at the time, she's a minor so there's only so much can be done on the scene, must questioning is done a day or 2 later, when things have calmed down for the child.
So we'll just have to wait and see what happen's then.
So, in the meantime, the Police let a gunman out on the streets without finding out more about him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
They've done all they can with a minor, she'd be questioned the next day, and yes sometimes a day later Ian would have to be with her. There's no point interviewing two hysterical people, it wouldn't get you anywhere
Nope you have a woman bleeding with a gunshot wound, a frazzled shabby looking husband, and a freaked out kid,,, I thought it was a bit werid that the police lady let Lucy stay.. I must have sneezed or something,, did the Police Lady see Steven ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
Now is a good time for Simon to return.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
Didn't Pat's other granchild David's son Joe also have a mental health problem?
I think Steven and the actor playing him are a great addition to the cast, anyone know if Steven will return?
She let Lucy stay because it was Steven her Brother, she didn't know about him shooting Jane!Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodiNope you have a woman bleeding with a gunshot wound, a frazzled shabby looking husband, and a freaked out kid,,, I thought it was a bit werid that the police lady let Lucy stay.. I must have sneezed or something,, did the Police Lady see Steven ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
Yes Joe had schizophrenia.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2jNow is a good time for Simon to return.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
Didn't Pat's other granchild David's son Joe also have a mental health problem?
I think Steven and the actor playing him are a great addition to the cast, anyone know if Steven will return?
Didn't she just return? Her tan is fading a bit, you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustJodi
Can Denise please change the record. It is getting tiresome now and not in the least bit funny. The new Masoods look good but as i said can we stop this silly little feud now.
Ian/Jane stuff was good.
I felt so sorry for Jane tonight. I actually had tears in my eyes when the Doctor told them that he'd had to remove her womb.