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well from her perspective, Ian was the one who turned up first so he's the one who started it- it would be natural for her to be curious and go and have a nosy once he's randomly popped back into her life.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkbanana
Yeah, thats what made me think Gina was in on it, Dave. Why suddenly now pop up?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaVeyWaVey
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Originally Posted by LostVoodoowell from her perspective, Ian was the one who turned up first so he's the one who started it- it would be natural for her to be curious and go and have a nosy once he's randomly popped back into her life.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkbananaYeah, thats what made me think Gina was in on it, Dave. Why suddenly now pop up?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaVeyWaVey
And pop a photograph through the letter box, saying we are here for you? Very strange....
I too would love to see Steven be a regular charecter but at the same time I do want to see him having to take responsibility for his actions in one way or anoyher and I am of course curious to know why he is the way he is.
Good episode. Little Bobby Beale is so cute - maybe EE have a Tom from HO on their hands?
I really like the Jase/Jay relationship. Really believable. Lucy is such a little madam and I felt sorry for Peter stuck in the middle.
it doesnt make sense about gina popping up, sure ian popped up first but her excuse didnt wash, a photo of cindy jnr with we are here for you written for you on the back, and the reason she gave, she thought the twins would like to have a picture of their little sister. But think about it how on earth would anyone know who she was they have never saw her before and the picture wasnt signed
she didn't know Ian was missing, she would have assumed Ian would have got the photo and explained to Peter and Lucy.Quote:
Originally Posted by *-Rooney-*
Lucy is really unlikeable she was so nasty to Jane. Loved the scenes with Jay and Jase and the trainors. Heather is brilliant as well, i love the friendship her and shirley have been paired up to have.
So, Steven turned up in the middle of a family argument. I can't help finding it funny when a guest - expected or unexpected - turns up when the family are in the middle of something like arguing but of course as we know and they do not he has created this entire situation.
OOhhh I so wanted to slap Lucy last night.. she was bang out of order and great entrance from Steven!!!
Love Jase and Jay with the trainers and ben going off on one cause of the memories of Stella.
Heather is brilliant..hope she is permanent in EE.. over all. love it last night
I agree. Lucy was completely out of order.
I can't wait till tonight - I want to see more Steven.
I still can't get over the fac that is meant to be stephen. He really doesnt look like the old one but i think he looks like a good actor, i love the way he is just creaping around the place.
The new actor is better than the old one - just briliant and I agree. The way he creeps around is pretty sinister.
i really cant believe Lucy genuinely thinks Cindy is alive, i honestly thought she would have been in on it with Steven all along, oh well...loved little Bobby in those scenes last night, the poor kid must be finding it hard to keep up!
That would have been unrealistic. In Steven's case he has a lot of problems. Lucy is a typical teenager. She may be fed up with her dad from time to time but I am sure she would never stalk or torment him in that cold, planned, calculating way. She dashed straight into his arms after what happened with Craig and she only meant it as a joke when she said to Craig that she wished Ian were dead.
She still could be in on it with Steven, if she thinks he is Cindy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LostVoodoo
Steven did pretend to be Cindy, we know thast now.
Fantastic episode and excellent acting from Aaron. I saw the way Steven's legs trembled under the table when Lucy talked about the e-mails from Cindy and he slammed down the picture of Ian and bit his knuckles. I am fascinatedby him. I do have the tiniest drop of sympathy for him but I definitely believe he should take responsibility for his actions. He is entitle to a shorter sentence because he is so obviously deranged - a doctor could tesify to that but whether or not he hass killed Ian he should still pay for all the stalking etc. He is like a knight in shining armour though - Jane's right. Even I felt like sitting next to him and talking to him. I doon't believe he is a psychopathbecause he obviously loves Peter, Lucy and Pat. He's just a bit psychotic/neurotic/deranged - a guy with a lot of mental problems. He needs serious help. Thats what I was thinking at the end of the episode.
great tonight, Im really liking this storyline at the moment, cant wait for next week :thumbsup:
So where is Ian? Has Steven got him locked up in that flat he lured him to?
Have no idea, we'll just have to wait for next week, but Steven was looking guiltyQuote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
I have no doubt after last night that he is regretting stalking Ian and whatever he did to Ian since and so in a way I sympathise with him but if he were really sorry surely he would apologise to Ian and summon him back, admit to what he's done and seek help. I did feel like calming him down when he was alone but I'd also be a bit nervous of him seeing that he is so unpredictable. I'm definitely watching the omnibus on Sunday and I can't wait till Monday's episod. The other storylines are ok i.e. Max, Bradley and stacey but its the Steven storyline that most interests me at the moment.
OMG I can not wait until I get back next week But will miss monday tues ( not wed ) but will finally catch a SHOW on Thurs,, whoo hoo,, lets hope that something reallllllllllly cool has occured when I get back LOL:cheer: :cheer: So has the Max,Stacey and Bradley story line started up again :searchme:
OMG I AM SERIOUSLY LOVING EE ATM! Stephen is a great additional to the cast, acting was brilliant! Oh the irony, it's just too good!!
Not bothered about the rest, honeslty, I just wait for this storyline and forget about the rest.. Although I was quite upset Max turned down the best man place, can't believe Stacewy really made him do that, Bradley's face :(
Anyways, more Stephen please :D Good stuff..
EE was fab yesterday... I can't wait for Monday.. It looked like Steven was regretting what he has done to Ian.. I think coming into the house and finding photos' of him and Ian and then Pat telling him that Ian loves him like he was his own...
Max and Stacey can wither away into the background... Totally enjoying EE
Thoroughly enjoyed last weeks episodes.
Heathers mum brilliantly portrayed by Judy Cornwell.
Sean was so cute offering to give Lucy away to Bradley.
Stephen where is it leading to?!
Cannot wait!!
I do enjoy the Max/Stacey/Bradley stuff but I am most into the Steven stuff at the moment. Aaron is indeed a superb actor and he makes Steven very charismatic. I started to wish i had a brother like Steven on Friday when Jane was talking about this knight in shining armour etc etc despite being angry with him for what he did to Ian. Yes, whoever was talking about it being irionic is absolutely right. Look at Pat filling Steven in on all thats happened and Steven asking if they went to the police etc - I mean who would guess? Yet I am sure he repented at the end of Friday's episode so for the first time I was sorry for him because he is psychologically messed up and really needs help - did you notice the way he trembled and started biting his knuckles?
I read a big discussion on another message board as to how Steven managed to do all this but I'm not a member of that one so I'll write down how i think he managed here. I think he's really good at all this computer stuff - has to be so after leaving school at, well I assume 16 or 17 I reckon he told Simon that he wanted to go travelling. He probably mentioned to both Pat and simon that he might look in on Ian and his brother and sister and he wished to surprise them. If he said it was to be a surprise, then this would explain why neither Simon nor Pat mentioned his leaving New Zealand to Ian if they knew. He has probably brooded overhis mum's death in prison and deluded himself into believing that it is somehow Ian's fault and his derangement led him to want revenge as he already seems to have issues with Ian anyway.
If he were going travelling, Simon would have given him money for it - say about seven hundred pounds. I'm assuming that he then gets a laptop and wireless connection and rents this cheap flat. He doesn't want to spend much on the flat because he's saving up his money for this crazy revenge and it is in a 70 storey high building where he can lure Ian eventually. He sets up the computer and through the internet manages to contact Lucy, pretending to be his mum. This goes on for 2 months. This is just my theory right. Well he asks Lucy to meet him alone in the park and hides, watching (he has shown he is adept at hiding). He doesn't invite Peter because he counts on Lucy telling Peter, Peter becoming suspicious and telling Ian - it is just a ruse to get Ian there.
Ok so he buys these lillies etc etc which shouln't cost much and gets them sent to him and he himself wears a hood (who would notice yet another teenager in a hood? Lucy wore one when she went to meet Craig) and that is how he gets the notes there. Ian becomes suspicious and starts writing Cindy-Steven e-mails pretending to be lucy but Steven doesn't fall for it. I agree the coffin, the cut flowers and the rose in the pocket are far fetched but this is EastEnders and there could have een ways to do that too. Ok let's say he ordered the coffin - pretended he worked at the church or something and the vicar wanted a coffin and gave Ian's address rather than the vicar's, suggesting it be delivered by evening as there will be fewer people about and so easy enough to bring. Then he himself slips inin the hood and places the note there. Cut flowers? - mmm. Well, in the cafe, everyone has been served. Jane has gone out. Tracey or whoever is covering is tired and wants a rest. She has to stay there till Jane comes though so as it is not too busy, she sits down, readyto get up if anyone wants anything. At this time Steven enters in a hood or whatever. He leans up against the counter in the shaddows like a casual teenager, edges scissors out of his pocket, snips the flowers from behind, pockets the scissors and leaves inconspiciously.
The car could have been a misleading red herring but I'm sure that being 18 Steven has a driving licence and being derranged he probably would buy a car, even though he is in England only a short time. Having lived in the house 5 years ago he has a key. He could easily have nicked Ian's keys from his pocket, replaced them with the red rose, let himself into the house using his own key and left the same way. There were no obvious break ins. He could have left that book in the same way and framed Jane with that phone etc. Jane said it was obvious from Ian's behaviour that he was not sleeping. Someone on the other board said these days you can e-mail someone through your mobile phone. In that case, he could have left the perfume there, rung the bell, concealed himself and sent the email from his mobile phone. Then he lures Ian to that flat. I am assuming the flat is full of crackers because Steven intends to hold him hostage rather than kill him. My theory is that he locked Ian in a flat 70 stories high and tookl Ian's mobile to stop him contacting ayone, packed up and left.
I reckon that's a perfectly good explanation that covers everything thoughh we won't know for sure till later on - this is just my theory right, mere speculation of how this could have happened.
What do you reckon?
Im not sure if i like Steven, there is something about him, which makes him interesting to watch of course but i dont know if i like him or not, time will tell, i think there is more to him than what we have seen so far but i hope they tell us what it is unlike Stella
I can't pretend I'm not angry with Steven for what he has done to Ian. He is a bit pstychotic to do that and then go round being the "knight in shining armour" but i cannot help liking him all the same. I mean he does love Peter and Lucy and seems to respect Jane somewhat. He certainly has fondness for Pat. I was sorry for him on Friday when he seemed to repent. I think he needs a lot of help. I was sorry for May but as with Steven both need to take some kind of responsibility for their actions. With Stella my sympathy is very limited indeed. I can't wait till tonight though. I want to see what happens.
Watched the omnibus yesterday and thoroughly enjoyed it. EE is really sorting itself out now imo, you can see more and more improvement by the week.
I know. I watched the omnibus too and it was brilliant.The comedy with Shirley etc really broke up the tension between the Steven storyline and the Bradley/Stacey/Max one as well.
Heather's mum is so horrible isn't she?! :mad: I felt really sorry for poor Heather!
I agree that EE is improving now - the Steven Beale stuff was good too. Being played very well by the actor.
Another really good episode. The scene with Steven and Lucy was very moving. I wonder why Jane is cold towards Steven at the moment - I mean she certainly doesn't suspect he is the man who stalked her husband and drove him crazy. It's strange that everyoe should shun him like that. I don't know though - on Friday he was our typical charmer but today he hardly cracked a smile ad looked very solemn. What happened?
Steven is nice one minute and totally creepy the next! That scene with the guineapig was unnerving! :ninja:
Love the comedy between Heather and Shirley :D
Yes I suppose. He was a bit creepy when handling the guinea pig I agree but he was quite nice to Lucy when they were alone together. He was almost trying to make up for messing with her head by telling her truthfully that her mum was dead and that some sicko was messing with her head. That's the first honest thing he seems to have said so far. Yet, believe it or not I was a little sorry for Steven today because everyone was kind of brushing him off. First Jane has a go at him for accidentally spilling the milk and then suggests politely he leaves. Kevin has no time for him. Phil mutters that when one goes another arrives and though he sat with Pat, somehow i could sense that steven was seperated/isolated from them all and I'm wondering why everyone was like that round him since they don't know all the facts.
I'm guessing he has issues with Simon as well. When he was holding the guinea pig he said something about you shouldn't have kids if you don't want them. Maybe he went to New Zealand because of his Dad but they never bonded and he blames Ian for this, for the lost years he can't get back with his real dad?
Does anyone know if Simon has any other children?
As far as i know i don't think he does but since he left he may have had and i've forgot about it but i don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
I think this is what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joanne
As far as we know Steven is his only child. I guess he doesn't have any others as Pat hasn't mentioned anything.
Charismatic, likeable and charming as he is, I think Steven is an extremely dangerous individual and though slightly sorry for him last Friday I can't see any way in which a reonciliation could take place and i have a feeling this will end with Steven either dead or in a psychiatric prison.
Was it just me or did he have the same expression on his face as Sean did when he started.. that angry young man, I want to destroy everything look???
Steven's different. I don't want to spoil anything but when I read the soap magazine for next week I found it very hard to be sorry for Steven though I pitied him on Friday. Sean - he may rough someone up but he certainly didn't attack Patrick as we know and he certainly loves his sister - he's not as cunning as Steven is. If only Steven would repent and seek help I could pity him but I can't see Ian forgiving even his former stepson for stalking him and luring him to that flat - it's gone too far.
It has gone to far... even if he does repent, I can see Ian constantly wondering if his son is behind everything that goes wrong in his life.. he terrified Ian