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It would definitely have been in bad taste if the crash had been based on the Berlin attack as some are saying. However, it was planned months ago and almost certainly filmed before the terror attack happened. Also it was a truck in Berlin not a bus, and as you say the EE crash was an accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I'm sure the EE bosses would have made some changes if it had been possible.
I managed to accidentally put audio description on as it started. Now that was really spooky!
I've done that before, I wondered why my tv was talking to me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
I've done that before, I wondered why my tv was talking to me lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
still cant understand how mick could hear the phone over all the commotion
bring michelle and max togetherQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I know both the Nice and Berlin attacks were with lorries but I felt that it was too soon to this storyline, this is still raw for many people these attacks so I can understand the complaints even though this bus crash was because of the driver had a heart attackQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
This is just my opinion on it and I hope they is good reason for this disaster with future storylines
It's very unfortunate that the EE's bus crash bears some similarity to the terror attacks you mention. Some people are also complaining that it's very like what happened in Glasgow three years ago when a bin lorry mounted a pavement and killed some people (I think in that case the driver was also unwell). I would imagine if the EE team took any inspiration from a real crash it was from the latter. They were almost certainly inspired by the real incident that happened in London in 2015 when a crowd of passers by lifted a bus under which a cyclist was trapped:Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londo...-10283901.html
The director of the episodes has said they wanted to do something which would affect and unite the whole community so that was the thinking behind it.
Max and Jay back in the fold as heroesQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
so what is the deal with max, after all the businesses starting with the pub
Interesting. A good duff duff. I wonder who that old bloke was? played by Simon Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I loved Shirley on the tube, although it was pretty revolting her eating that kebab. Had to laugh at babe and what she said to Sylvie in the Vic. She is an evil old trout.
Hate what they are doing with Whitney and Mick and is it me or is Danny Dyer just going through the motions, he was pretty ropy again tonight.
I thought the show had a lovely community feel, something lacking in Emmerdale and the Street, their genuine concern for Dot was heart warming. I was also pleased that lady found her little boy.
The montage spoilt the episode hate, hate montages, no need for them on a show like EastEnders. Down side of the episode, Whitney isn't still under the bus. :(
best thing mick can do is be honest straight away with linda and lee
It sounds like Max's "friend" wants to turf everyone out and redevelop Walford perhaps? Intriguing stuff! I'm delighted that Max is bitter and twisted under the forgiving facade. :D
It's sick I know but I can't deny that I'm a bit disappointed nobody died... :ninja:
Whitney and Mick... :eek: :hmm:
I liked the montage, especially as it helped lull us into a false sense of heartwarming security before the dramatic duff duff. :p
He might lose both of them forever though. That kiss was unforgivable (especially for Lee). I think the best thing to do (at least while he thinks it over) would be to go to Spain for a prolonged visit and remove himself from the situation. Whitney's vulnerable so I doubt she's got the strength to leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
denise thinks it is an affair she will blab to someone, mick should go off to see linda i think the show could do with a break from danny dyerQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
whitney and lee are no good for each other, she should go off to bianca or ryan, she will always want mick more than lee, she is infatuated with him, fast recovery to be able to jump up kiss mick
I must admit I forgot about Denise. Yes, Mick would do best to admit all to Linda (I still think it would be too damaging for Lee and I doubt Denise would ever blab to him anyway).
if her and kim get back on speaking terms i think she may blab to herQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
this is the 2nd kiss mick has to put distance between himself and whitney
if her and kim get back on speaking terms i think she may blab to herQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
this is the 2nd kiss mick has to put distance between himself and whitney
Yes: even if this most recent kiss was completely one-sided on Whitney's part (and it didn't look that way to me), Mick bears some of the blame for helping to reignite her feelings. He and Linda understood why it happened last time (because Whitney is terribly messed up by the sex abuse) so he shouldn't have allowed them to become so close. He's been inappropriately touchy-feely towards her recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Danny and Kellie have always said they don't want Mick and Linda to have affairs so let's hope SOC listens to them.
it looked like mick kissed her back plus it took long enough to pull away
I wonder if Max has anything to do with the bus crash after last night episode.
don't think so just that he wants to destroy all in the square as get all businesses in trouble he knows market on way out and babe talked about pub troubles, payback on all squareQuote:
Originally Posted by Timalay
don't think so just that he wants to destroy all in the square as get all businesses in trouble he knows market on way out and babe talked about pub troubles, payback on all squareQuote:
Originally Posted by Timalay
Did he jump in front of the bus with a scary mask on and frighten the driver so much he had a heart attack?Quote:
Originally Posted by Timalay
A bus was on Martin and Whitney but not long after they are in hospital and are not seriously hurt so up and about :thumbsdow
Was the purpose of the bus crash just for Whitney and Mick to kiss :sick::angry:
Who was the man with Max and where were they?
Where was Billy, Sharon and Phil?
Yeah I was disappointed at all the apparent miraculous recoveries but hopefully there's more to come. As far as I'm aware, at least two characters had head injuries but refused medical attention (Kush and Donna) so they're still at risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
As for Martin, the doctor was worried about him and wanted him to get a scan. Has that happened?Spoiler:
I'd say the most significant outcome (so far) has been that the community now trusts Max again - just as we discover his fiendish plan to tear it apart. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...vil-042296.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I could do without a Mick/Whitney affair I must say, although them successfully struggling to control their feelings could be interesting viewing.
They were in The Shard apparently. The man looks to be some kind of "legitimate" businessman who wants to buy up Walford cheaply and gentrify it (something that's very pertinent and also fits in with the new EE set that's being built).Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Billy was stuck in the traffic jam that held up the emergency services. Why does that always happen when there's an emergency in soapland? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
So, here we go, Max is going to become a villain, while Ian and Jane continue on their merry way....
Well fans have been crying out for Max to get his revenge and I doubt Ian and Jane will escape unscathed. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Fictional villains can be pretty sympathetic if we understand their motivations and, given that we've already been shown Max self-harming, I'm hoping that'll be the case for him. His experience in prison has left him hugely scarred and the blame for that rests with Ian, Jane and those who conspired with them. Hopefully the writers won't forget that.
At the moment it looks like the real villain will be Simon Williams with Max as his henchman. I'm excited to see how this storyline will play out.
I just hope the new EE set keeps the market in place ,it would destroy the very essence of the programme to finish it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I thought that Martin was going to be crippled after that. Even when he was stood up, I thought he'd collapse. Whitney sat up to kiss Mick, so she seems okay too.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Unless Martins going to have kidney trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
Unless Martins going to have kidney trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruffed_lemur
There's been criticism for years that Walford has stood still since the 80s and is now nothing like the modern East End of London. Speculation is therefore rife now that this storyline, along with the new set, is being used as an opportunity to bring the area up-to-date. I think this sounds very feasible given the little we know at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
As you say though Glen, if that's what's intended it's going to be a fine balancing act to make big changes while keeping the same feel, so I find it hard to believe Max and his mentor's schemes will be a great success. If Walford goes significantly upmarket, none of the poorer residents will be able to afford to live there!
i wish i had dazzle's faith in soc of not turning max into the villain to save ian and jane, he deserves his vengeance which if it is taking apart and destroying walford he will be the villain, his brother jack has properties there and is he the reason dot has lost her job with launderette closedQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
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Originally Posted by Dazzle
If it's anything like the market street where I used to live in Hackney, all the stalls will be turned into trendy upmarket food stalls selling camomile and herbal tea or caffeine-free lattes with seaweed paninis and coconut and lemongrass rednang.
I didn't actually say Max wouldn't be a villain! I said that knowing why he's the way he is it's still possible to have sympathy for him. You yourself say he deserves his vengeance and just about all online discussions I've read about this agree. That's sympathy, and the one short scene of him self-harming has bought him lots of it. We also have no idea how far he'll take it before he comes to his senses.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
In my favourite ever drama, The Sopranos, the main character did some truly evil deeds and sometimes to characters we'd grown to love, and yet it was hard to completely hate him because we had such deep insight into his tortured psyche. In fact he was sometimes even sympathetic. I don't expect EE to ever reach those dizzy dramatic heights but then I think it's unlikely Max will descend to Tony Soprano level of villainy either. :D
I actually feel more warmth towards Max now than I may ever have because he's been treated so unfairly. He's never been a nice character after all (remember Lauren trying to kill him by running him over, Tanya burying him alive, and Abi having no trouble believing he murdered Lucy?). One of the reasons I've never hated Ian and Jane as much as some of you is because Max knew about Kat and Janine's plot for Kat to lie in court to blame Alice for murdering Michael so that Janine would change her story about the stabbing to get Stacey off the hook (in other words he was involved in doing to his own niece almost exactly what was done to him).
It'll be interesting to see how I feel about him in a few months' time. That'll all depend on the level of acting and writing...
(And yes, I do think he was likely involved in the launderette closing.)
i need your faith in soc dazzle for max's storyline
i just think maybe everyone in ee wants to forget lucy's murder and max imprisonment as they don't want ian jane and phil in jail
i need your faith in soc dazzle for max's storyline
i just think maybe everyone in ee wants to forget lucy's murder and max imprisonment as they don't want ian jane and phil in jail
I believe we're long past the point of them being jailed anyway which is the only ending that would have satisfied you I think. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I wouldn't say I have faith in SOC because it's still early days for him as EE producer (plus I've been burnt before by DTC). But I do like his style in general so far, and think he's made Max into a far more intriguing character than he used to be. Since I had no particularly strong feelings about Max's false imprisonment then I'm easier to please with regards to what happens next with the character, and am really looking forward to this storyline playing out without being too worried about the fates of Ian, Jane etc.
i would like jail, a working fair justice system but is that perhaps an oxymoron :p , dtc left soc in a tight spot wrapping up the lucy storyline satisfying