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But don't you think that is the point of the storyline. Lil Mo was always wimpy but Denise is strong. She is a loving mother who although she knows her kids' faults, warts and all, will defend them to anybody. The fact that Denise would allow this man in the house near Chelsea or Squiggle with someone so dangerous when drunk, shows how much a hold he has over her. This storyline will be different because Denise has realised now that Chelsea is right. Owen does know what he is doing. He never hurt Squiggle and Denise has seen the light. I don't think that it is a character change at all. It's more complex than that.

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My problem wasn't that Owen had a hold on her. It was why he had a hold on her. Her reasons were much too needy - and I don't think that comes from him, I think it comes from her, but, IMO, it doesn't match with the Denise we've seen before. And because we haven't seen the situation develop it's impossible to trace it back to anything.

If, say, they did had a sparring relationship like the one she has with Kevin (as implied), and that's what she loved about Owen, then I could buy she would want to hold on to that relationship even after he started drinking. But instead they used the sparring relationship into the by-the-book "It was all my fault," speech, and his hold over her was boiled down to "Well, he stayed so that must mean that he loved me."

I thought it was very good.I thought Denise,Chelsea,Owen,Dot and Max were excellent.I thought it was very believable.Good stuff!:clap:

What did Max say to Dot??? I missed that bit cause my baby was crying... What did Jim do to him???

Excellent scene last night with Chelsea and Denise.. Squiggle is still doesn't have a clue what her dad has done

Jim bought Maxs alcoholic mother a bottle of Burben(Is that how you spell it!??)for her birthday and left her to it,she drank the lot,ran herself a bath,jumped in and then realised shed not put any cold water in!Max found her and had to call an ambulance,while she was in hospital,jim came to see her 4 days later and told her he was docking her house keeping money for wasting the hot water!

I agree with you BlackKat. Denise seems to have had one of Eastenders' frequent changes of character. Until now she has not seemed to be the type who would put up with Owen under any circumstances, now it's all her fault. Nonsense.

By the way, it's Bourbon, Nigella

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I agree with you BlackKat. Denise seems to have had one of Eastenders' frequent changes of character. Until now she has not seemed to be the type who would put up with Owen under any circumstances, now it's all her fault. Nonsense.

By the way, it's Bourbon, Nigella

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I don't think it is a change of character.. there are loads of women like her.. tough cookies but when it comes to an ex or partner they melt. In most abusive relationships, the person been abuse will think it is their fault..

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

This abuse storyline really isn't working for me. IMO, the reason Little Mo/Trevor worked is because we saw it all, we saw it build up, and while it got dragged out towards the end, the moment Little Mo fought back was earned. This isn't. We've seen Owen punch Denise once, and suddenly we're supposed to cheer her on for standing up to him? All we know is what we've heard, and I don't feel any connection to it.

And we've seen Denise, someone we were introduced to as a strong woman, suddenly reduced to a needy women making excuses. "He stayed with me, that means he cares," blah blah, and that isn't earned either because we haven't seen Owen wear her down or anything like that, so it just comes across as another sudden character change.

All there is is Denise spouting the same old lines. "If I'd done something different," and "It's just the booze, he's a good man really," and it just felt like it was taken from a by-the-book "How to write an abuse victim," manual. The only person I felt sorry for was Chelsea, because she's the only one who felt real.

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I completely agree it is not working. I find Squiggle an annoying character i hope she leaves.

I thought Chelsea was brilliant. So is Tania Benjamin who plays her, real emotion there. Well why can't there be another battered wife in the square, it shows in statistics that there a lot of abusive relationships. Denise does a good job, I think she is very convincing.



(Oh and you spell it as Bourbon, American Whiskey)

I actually was totally engrossed in last nights episode,, the scenes between Chelsa and her mom Denise was done well, ok granted we may not have seen the ABUSE like we did with Lil Moe and Trevor,, but we are all smart folks, we can IMAGINE what Denise went thru,, but those things on her back ,, whoa,, I can not understand how she fell for Owen and gave him a chance, and back into her bed,, I do think she thinks she is still in love with Owen,, I think it is more co dependancy than any thing else,,
Squiggle has stepped on my last nerve,, I hope she leaves and leaves with her good for nothing daddy Owen,, shes a waste of space !!!
Hope the rest of the week is nearly as good as it was last night:)

Wow tonight epi was up to old times, the feeling was there again, I held my breath when Owen grasped Chelsea and when he went up the stairs, blimy that was some good acting all around, and finally Squiggle saw her dad slapping her mum. Will she turn it around on blaming Denise, she is her dad's girl.:eek: