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I think they should be together as a family all three of them. Chloe's "parents" are now dead, so surely something could be arranged so that her biological parents could potentially have her back. Things have change. Sonia's not cruel - she'll allow the adoptive family access.
Have we ever seen the adoptive grandparents? Are they fit enough to look after a toddler? It could be the way to go to get her back with Martin and Sonia if they happen to be to old to look after Chloe/Rebecca.
Just a thought.
Yes I read that magazine, I think it said that there may be a storyline coming up which involves family, I'm not sure if they were necessairily talking about Chloe. James does say that this is where the story ends for now, but I don't think it's over. I've read quotes on webcam.
Something I read a few weeks ago was a conversation between Martin and Sonia, it seemed to be about Chloe (I'm not totally sure), Martin and Sonia were doing something serious they didn't want Pauline to know about. Jim and Dot were involved in the chat too.
I'm sure I read an interview with Natalie Cassidy as well that mentioned that this storyline goes on for months.
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Originally Posted by Angeldelight
But I don't think Martin did sign over his rights to Chloe. He wasn't named on her birth certificate so he wouldn't need to.
This story is more about Sonia's feelings and regrets about having her child adopted and I like it as it is so realistic. Not many women can have a child adopted and then live pain free. As Sonia said to Zoe, there is always a price to pay.
I don't know if Sonia and Martin will try and get custody of Chloe or leave her as she is, but Kay said at the funeral about how Chloe's gran didn't need all this at her time of life. It is all very emotive, but a judge would have to think what would be the best for the child in the long term. A young child with an older lady with problems that will only get bigger as they both age, or with a young couple who will probably give her siblings? Personally, I would like to see her back with her natural parents, but with her adoptive gran and family remaining part of her life. Whatever happens, if Chloe doesn't come into their lives now, she will in years to come.
All very good points. Martin didn't sign his daughter away, he didn't know about Chloe being his child until after Sonia had given her up. He wasn't on the birth certificate, and at the time Sonia didn't want him involved in her life. Although there was the incident where Pauline wanted to adopt her, and Martin told her he wasn't interested. Whether that would go against Martin in a court of law, I'm not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah21
I am loving this storyline, and I thought the moment with Neil's cousin and Sonia tonight was interesting, when she mentioned the adopted gran not being fit to look after Chloe. It might be something which would go against the grandmother in court.
I really want Sonia and Martin to get her back, they would make a great family, and even if they went on to have 10 children it wouldn't replace Chloe/Rebecca as their daughter. I don't disagree it would be confusing for the child being placed with strangers, at this time, but it wouldn't be that way forever. Sooner or later things would become apparent. They could make her transfer into the Fowler family gradually, there wouldn't have to be a big rush about it.
but even if the gran isnt fit to look after chloe there may be other people, people who chloe knows and trusts that can look after her.
more children would not replace chloe but sonia gave her up she has to deal with that and move on!
There could be others willing to take of her, but Neils cousin was with Chloe/Rebecca at the funeral. I am quite close too my cousins, but I would have thought an aunt or uncle would be more appropriate to take Chloe/Rebecca to her parents funeral.
The way the cousin was talking, it didn't seem the grandmother was coping very well, and I'm sure family members help out but it didn't seem that anyone had offerered to take her in.
Well she would have to be put with somebody. It has been said that the Millers (Chloe's adopted parents) are a big close knit family, so I assume they won't be short of people wanting to look after the child.
I'm not sure how Martin and Sonia would fit into the plan. Unless they wanted to adopt their own child (this sounds rather strange) they couldn't really be a part of it.
yeah a aunt or uncle would have been better but surely they would have been inside. the cousin was outside as she didint want to upset chloe.
:nono:You make an intresting point there. We can't automatically assume that aunts and uncles want to take Chloe in just because her adoptive parents have just passed away. For all we know, they may not want the responsbility. This may/may not be the case but it's yet to be seen. I dont doubt that they love Chloe but there is a difference between loveing a child and raiseing them and more importantly wanting to aswell. Thier choice shouldn't be under any 'obligation'.Quote:
Originally Posted by littlemo
We dont exactly know the circumstances of her extended family yet. They may already have children and dont want the extra burden. This is a possibility. They may feel that Sonia and Martin can offer Chloe alot more than they can. Only time will tell.......... :hmm:
You make good points Little Mo, that is a realistic scenario for Martin and Sonia to get Chloe back, I would love that to happen ! If not I just hope Martin and Sonia come through this stronger than ever. I am dying to know what happens , I was suprised to hear that the story ends next Friday, I thought they would decide to fight for custody after they both see Chloe together. The lack of spoilers is so frustrating , I really miss Tina Baker's weekly spoilers.
Yes wouldn't it be great if there was some way Sonia and Martin could get their daughter back. I don't think it's the end of the storyline though. James said it was the end for a while, but I think it's going to come up again really soon. From what i've read this storyline is going to go on for months.
I couldn't believe it when I read that it is over next Friday. It seems a lot of fuss for a 2 week storyline, so I'm hoping that it will be back soon. I know Chloe is better off with her gran who she knows and loves, but her age does bother me. I'd certainly be happier if she was with younger people. Chloe could end up being a carer to an infirm, elderly lady or she could lose her at an age when it would be difficult to find someone to take her.
It would be nice if there was some way for them to get Chloe back without causing too much upset and involving everyone concerned - Alisha's idea is a good one!!
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Originally Posted by littlemo
Yeah....it may be the end temporarily but I think it will crop up again some time in the future. Martin may have a change of heart or the adoptive family may re-evulate thier decision (if they have already chosen to keep Chloe).
I think it will have a while to go yet. I'm likeing this storyline. :)
Yes I think Rebecca should be eased slowly into the Fowler family. I know it would be confusing at first for her, but when she understands who Sonia and Martin are, I'm sure she'd adjust. Martin and Sonia could come and visit Chloe and her adopted gran at their home, maybe 3 times a week and get to know them. Then she could go and stay with them for weekends, get to know Pauline, Jim and Dot. She would have family that love her and a secure upbringing. Martin and Sonia love Chloe very much.
But then again to go from a family who live in a nice area and could give her everything she could want, to Walford is a big leap for a child. But it isn't really about material possessions, it's about love.
Sadly so far this storyline hasn't got off to the best start for me :(
I feel the whole thing has been rather coincidised (if you know what I mean!) I mean what would the likely-hood be of you reading about your daughter's adoptive parents dieing in a car crash, finding out where the funeral is and choosing to go, all on the night before the actual event?
There doesn't seem to be enough of anything there. Hopefully we'll see some evolution for the better in the coming weeks....
It is true that Chloe/Rebecca is now an orphan - BUT unless there is no family or friends that the adoptive parents have nominated for guardianship Chloe/Rebecca would not enter into the social service web again, and be replaced with another family. And even if this did happen it would be unlikely that Martin and Sonia would successfully manage to adopt her as they have not been through the adoption screening process (which on average takes 9mths)
I think that this is one story line that has gone on too far and too long and has gone from a well acted thought plot to an over stretched one. It was great that Sonia gave Chloe up for adoption as she felt that she couldn't bring her up in the situation she was in, she also thought of Chloe's interests when Pauline tried to adopt her, so WHY would she stop thinking of what is best for Chloe now. How could she really think that taking Chloe from the environment she has been raised from the people who love her, when she has just lost her (adoptive) parents would be the best thing to do?
lets hope that sonis just wants to check that chloe is being well looked after and not trying to get her back. if it is ening in two weeks then she cant be looking for custody.
Oh I can't agree with that. This is a storyline that was always going to happen. After Sonia kidnapped Chloe, she retreated into herself and thought that the best way to deal with the situation was to try not to think about her and she hasn't really mentioned her since. When Martin tried to bring up the subject last year when they were walking through the park with Bobby, Sonia made it clear that it wasn't open for discussion.Quote:
I think that this is one story line that has gone on too far and too long and has gone from a well acted thought plot to an over stretched one.
It was obvious that this girl needed some form of help and she should have been sent to a counsellor to try and sort out her feelings. Now she has seen Chloe again, all those feelings which haven't been dealt with have come rushing back. She desperately needs to sort out the guilt, the loss and grieve properly for her daughter. It is quite realistic to show that Sonia still has feelings for her Chloe and always will.
I know what you mean about this. But, my mum read about a friend's death in the paper and found out about the funeral and went to it all in the same day. It does seem a bit contrived, but it can happen. :hmm: Soaps are all about coincidences though aren't they? :rolleyes:Quote:
I feel the whole thing has been rather coincidised (if you know what I mean!) I mean what would the likely-hood be of you reading about your daughter's adoptive parents dieing in a car crash, finding out where the funeral is and choosing to go, all on the night before the actual event?
I do see what you mean about Sonia never having delt with the greif but I personally think that they could have explored this in other ways, such as Sonia and Martin deciding to have another child BUT realising they both need councelling. This could then highlight Sonia's need to grieve the loss and her guilt feelings.
As I said before I personally think that they have stretched this too far now.
I also worry that it is sending the wrong message to people concidering adoption, in that EE is potraying it in a very negative light from Sonia's view point, and although I don't think it is an easy thing to do or live with, it can be a positive for both the child and the birth mum
I think that's because Sonia really regrets her decision. I agree -Sonia did what she thought was best at the time but back then she was in a different place, clearly confused and in a difficult position. She was 15 and just given a birth to a baby she didn't plan for. She knew that she couldn't offer Chloe the life she deserved. There have been many mothers in similiar situations who have regreted thier choices months/years down the line. However Sonia made her decision and it best to let things lie now. It also depends on the families perspective on this and whether thier opinion of Chloe's best intrests will change over time. When Sonia heard about the death of Chloe's parents in the paper -her maternal instincts were telling her to check the welfare of her daughter. At that point her intention wasn't to get Chloe back but just to check that she was ok. However seeing Chloe is going to make it very difficult for Sonia to let her go and move on.
I don't think that adoption would be a option for her now but back then she thought she was doing the right thing. After kidnapping Chloe, only months later it became apparent that Sonia deeply regreted her decision and has done ever since.
it is a very difficult subject/situation, and depends on what you feel about things. I would say that a teenager who delivered a baby following a pregnancy would stuggle to bond with her baby (speaking as a nurse who has watched mothers struggle to bond with planned babies) therefor not quite sure I always get the fact Sonia is going along with her maternal instincts, as a mother myself I firmly believe my maternal instinct have grown along with the love for my children as I have gotten to know them.
BUT insaying all this EE is a soap and is there to entertain us and the bearing on reality is often blurred, and certainly the story line will no doubt bring out some great acting from James Alexandrou and Natalie Cassidy
Yes I remember when Sonia gave birth she did find it very hard to bond with Chloe/Rebecca. She just wanted the social worker to take her baby away, and needed to get on with her life. At the hospital she felt confused and didn't think the baby had anything to do with her, it was like it had happened to somebody else. But the social worker wouldn't take the baby there and then, and Sonia was made to take the child home and bond with it, which made it very difficult for her to ignore growing feelings.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealityGap
When Sonia finally gave her child away she felt devestated. It's clear those feelings haven't gone away. Martin was saying tonight that he thought she had put it behind her before, and wondered why she was feeling this way now, Sonia stated she had never got over it. We as the viewers have seen her emotion since she gave her baby away, Martin hasn't, so it seems he is a bit of an outsider.
I feel Martin was 'out of order' (that's a familiar EE saying isn't it) tonight, I know he has strong feelings and emotions about the situation, but what Sonia's going through can't be helped. Martin seems to think Sonia is crazy for even having these feelings for her daughter. And what he said about her being nutty, I know a lot of people have thought this of her recently, but for her husband to say it, it just wasn't nice. I also think Martin should talk about their daughter with Sonia, she needs to talk to somebody, and her husband should be the ideal person. A councillor can be good if you want to speak to somebody anonymously but you should be able to talk about your partner about something like this.
Martin needs to get on Sonia's side more. He can talk about his feelings, she can talk about hers. I'm sure it would help if they opened up, they love one another, and it's important to be there for each other.
What did you think of the Chloe storyline tonight? It seems Martin and Sonia are really drifting apart. I don't think I'm on anybody's side, it is all very complicated. I have sympathies for both characters.
Martin is a bit on the outside of things, and is feeling that he may not be enough for Sonia, which is a horrible thing to be feeling. But on the other hand the person who is competing for her affection is his daughter, and he shouldn't feel jealous of that. He really wants to protect Sonia from getting hurt, but he can't because her maternal feelings are taking over her mind. I don't think Martin can compete with that.
I feel sorry for Sonia, Martin is trying desperately to understand what she's going through, but he can't. They are in love, but at the moment they are both at complete loggerheads. People keep telling Sonia that once she sees Chloe she is not going to be able to stop, and they are all right, and Sonia knows it but she can't help herself. We saw Sonia tonight with Chloe, and we knew that it wasn't going to be the last time she saw her. As soon as the grandmother suggested her coming around again, we knew what her reply would be. It's a great storyline!
I thought we saw good progress tonight in this storyline. Its almost as though we saw 'nutritional growth' in the emotions of Martin and Sonia. I think for the first time tonight we saw Sonia getting addicted to the drug which is Chloe.
I'm hopeing we'll continue to see similar 'evolution' in this storyline in the coming weeks. So far this week I had been disappointed (poor writing undoubtedly to blame), the inconsistancies to create a moving storyline was really becoming irritating but tonight I felt a very organic feel to things. Natalie Cassidy had a script where you could feel the emotion similarly with James Alexandrou and Jim (don't know who plays him!) but not to such a greater extent...
Certainly stronger progress tonight...
my partner and i have been through an adoption assessment and we were asked to name somone who would look after our adotpive child if something happened to us. Also nominated persons would have to give their consent, so if eastenders have done their research chloes/rebeccas adoptives parents would have done the same thing. When parents give their children up for adoption they lose all rights and I mean all rights. The child even gets a new birth certificate with the adoptive parents name on and not the birth parents. So Matin and sonia have no rights at all as regards to Rebecca. If the child goes back then this is 100% unrealistic and I will switch off for good. If something happened to us I couldnt bear the thought of our 6 year old being put back with birth parents instead of the family he has grown to love.
I really don't know where EE are going with this storyline, whether it is just finally covering the emotional fallout of Chloe's adoption between Sonia and Martin, or whether they will try to get her back. But, I do believe that whatever the outcome, it will be something that could happen legally. It is too important a topic and EE know that.
I enjoyed the scenes tonight. Natalie and James are talented and I felt so sorry for both Sonia and Martin. I wish Martin had talked to Sonia last night when she desperately needed to speak with him. Now he wants to talk, she is bottling it up and closing off, you could see it in her face. It is going to cause so many problems for them, I wonder if they are strong enough to cope with it all.
I believe Martin and Sonia have a very strong relationship, this is the first major crisis in their marriage, apart from the stalker and Sonia forgave Martin even before she found out that nothing happened with Sarah which proved the strength of their love for one another. Their main problem so far has been living with Pauline, in fact they have been so loved up its weird to see them fight ! It will interesting to see what happens after they both see Chloe next Friday and how they cope afterward. Its complicated but I could'nt help thinking last night when I saw Chloe's elderly grandma , that Martin and Sonia should be a part of her life as her grandma won't be able to look after her forever and then her life will be disrupted again and she will find out when she is older that she was adopted and could resent her parents for not fighting for her. Whereas if she can now develop a relationship with Martin and Sonia when her grandma is no longer able to look after her , living with Martin and Sonia will seem natural to her. Chloe would still remain in contact with her extended adopted family. Ultimately its up to the executive producer but i really hope Martin and Sonia remain Mr and Mrs Fowler, i love the idea of them been the new Pauline and Arthur without the cardigans ! :hmm:
Yeah, but some how i can't see Sonia down the pub with Dot and comparing dodgy hair cuts can u? ha ha, only kidding. Personally, i totally agree with u even tho i'm FAR to young to remember arthur and pauline together!
You make some very good points here. I agree that Sonia and Martin are great together, it's amazing how their relationship has grown from them being a couple of kids who hated each other, to husband and wife. I would love it if their relationship lasted, however I can't really see Natalie Cassidy staying long enough to become the next Pauline Fowler to be honest. I think she's such a great actress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruby21
What you just said is exactly the way I want the situation with Chloe to happen. Sonia and Martin should be allowed access to their daughter. I don't know who Chloe/Rebecca should live with or who would benefit her in the long run. Her adopted grandmother is somebody the child knows quite well, and can probably give her a lot of things Martin and Sonia can't, but her feelings for Rebecca can't be as strong as Sonia's. I think a parents love is important. If Sonia and Martin keep contact with Chloe, at least she'll know she isn't an orphan.
The epsiode I can't wait for is next friday. Martin coming face to face with his daughter. After all the denial of his feelings for Chloe, he is finally going to realise how much he does actually love her.
I know Martin is going to force Sonia to tell the truth about who she is but I really don't want this to be the end of the storyline. Chloe is their daughter, and it is important for her to be included in their lives.
Yeah I can't wait for that episode either. I've always wanted Chloe to come back in it. This story to me is very interesting. I mean yeah we knew there would be something with Chloe/Rebecca, it's been good so far. Big story for Sonia and Martin, just what I like to see.
Little Mo, Yeah I don't really think that Martin and Sonia will be around as long as Arthur and Pauline, last year there were rumours that James Alexandrou was planning to leave and then he did that directing course in New York, really hope he does'nt he is fantastic ! However Natalie Cassidy said she always wants to be a part of EE but I would like to see her in other things aswell. Ideally if they leave Martin and Sonia will emigrate to Florida and live happily ever after, not very EE I know !
I read some news today in a magazine, about the Chloe storyline. Apparently when Sonia finally comes clean to Chloe/Rebecca's adopted gran, Martin and Sonia say a tearful goodbye to their daughter, and are finally able to get on with their lives. However as they try to put the past behind them and move on, Pauline finds out about the situation, and vows that she will do anything in her power to get Chloe back. I really want to know more about this, it sounds very exciting!
Did anyone else find tonights episode really emotional? the stuff with Martin and Sonia was really gripping. They've had some really heavy talks lately, but tonight's was especially moving. It was the first time I really saw the situation from Sonia's point of view.
When Sonia told Martin about her wondering everyday if she did the right thing giving Chloe up, and about her feeling really guilty, it was really raw. It also made me feel quite sad, when she said that she didn't feel much like a mum now, but she really wanted too, and you could see her face when she said it, filled with sadness & longing.
I've always felt sorry for Sonia, and have wanted her to get her child back all along, but I don't think I quite saw the emotion of it all. I'm wondering whether tonight's episode may have turned a corner for some people. A lot of people have seen her as mad for not being able to let go and selfish. I think I saw a different side to her tonight, did anybody else?
I also think Martin should do exactly what Sonia said and support her. Even if he thinks she's wrong in seeking out her child, it's something she shouldn't have to go through alone. She has a husband, and she should be able to share things with him.
Yes, I thought it was gripping and emotional too. The trouble is that Sonia has never talked about Chloe properly to anyone and it has been eating away at her.
What I want to know is when did Martin get so grown up?? It was good to see them trying to talk about the situation even if they couldn't agree on it. They make a good, strong couple. It was very sad when Sonia admitted that she knew what she's doing is wrong, how she's going to get hurt and asked for Martin's support. At least he's finally beginning to realise just what Sonia has gone through with Chloe and how much she means to her.
i cant wait until pauline finds out and wants to see her does anyone know how long we have to wait until that sroryline?
Not very long. According to the previews it's coming up in the next few weeks. I think after Martin and Sonia leave Chloe's gran's they are very emotional, but after a while, when they have got back to some normality, and are gettting their relationship back on track, this is when Pauline finds out about their secret. It's probably just as Sonia is beginning to get back to her old self. Pauline really picks her moments.Quote:
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Sould be in Press Office Spoilers this week, look out for them on Friday!
Yes Martin does seem to have grown up overnight doesn't he? He used to be so immature and selfish, now he is really considering Sonia's feelings. I could see how much Martin loved Sonia last night, agreeing to go and see their child with her. Despite the fact that he thought she was wrong, he tried to put his feelings aside for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah21
I'm glad that Martin is trying to listen to his wife instead of just judging her. What Sonia said about him needing to support her was completely right. Sonia just needs somebody to be there for her, she's never really had any support. Because Sonia's such a strong character and is quite stubborn, I think people around her feel she can cope with anything, but she was just a child when she had Chloe, and she has been going through all this pain without anybody too help her. Everybody just expects her to get on with it, and it's not that easy for her.
I really love this storyline, great acting by James and Natalie, and they've turned their characters into such a brilliant husband and wife duo.