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He had no choice?! :eek: Erm, ofcourse he did!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Ian should have got the police involved straight away, if Steven was mentally unstable, then they would have assessed him and sectioned him anyway, rather than putting him in prison. That way he would have got all the help he required, rather than staying at some place for just a couple of weeks - thats going to do him some real good, isnt it! :rolleyes:
Well, you're entitled to your view.
But Lucy lied to the police and would have got into trouble for it if Ian had done that. Ian was under a lot of pressure anyway and I think under the cicumstances he did what he thought best. Besides I'm with Lucy in not wanting Steven toget a criminal record especially as the shooting of Jane was an accident and he didn't mean to. I wonder where he lives seeing that Pat and Ian think he's returned to New Zealand. He's right not to go though. New Zealand would mess him up again, undoing all the help he got. I suppiose he is good at living inonspiciously in Walford - he had to do that a lot when he was ill and stalking Ian after all. I think a few weeks was enough because he was starting to return to normal when he accepted that Ian could do nothing to save Cindy and when he called Ian "dad" for the first time in years.
I think under the circumstances, and being a minor, Lucy wouldnt have got into too much trouble, especially if Ian had given the correct information straight away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Interesting, and slightly disturbing in my opinion, that you think Steven deserves no punishment/come back what so ever for what he's done! Just a oh well these things, ie shooting people just happens, or him bringing about a reign or terror is just one of those things, that should be just brushed under the carpet! :eek: If he had been handed over to the police, if truly mentally ill, would have ended up in a secure unit until he was deemed well enough anyway.
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I think under the circumstances, and being a minor, Lucy wouldnt have got into too much trouble, especially if Ian had given the correct information straight away.
Interesting, and slightly disturbing in my opinion, that you think Steven deserves no punishment/come back what so ever for what he's done! Just a oh well these things, ie shooting people just happens, or him bringing about a reign or terror is just one of those things, that should be just brushed under the carpet! :eek: If he had been handed over to the police, if truly mentally ill, would have ended up in a secure unit until he was deemed well enough anyway.[/QUOTE]
I'm not condoning what he did. Of course he shouldn't have done it. It was wrong. Even if the shooting was accidental, the campaign of terror was twisted and screwed - he himself agreed when Lucy made him see that. For example I think Tanya should slap Steven and not Ian because Steven is to blame not Ian and I wouldn't mind the family except perhaps Lucy and possibly Pat cold shouldering him for a bit though it'd be horrible if he was completely isolated. He should at least be made to see that he can't waltz back into walford "like a knioght on a white charger" this time and I was with Ian in shouting at him in the car until I saw he was mentally cracking up. You mustn't think I condone such actions, I don't. I just don't think in this case the police is the answer.
The clinic wouldn't have let him go if he were still dangerous, I'm sure of it and actually I noticed that other than the accidental shooting he never hurt anyone however unhinged he was. I just tend to judge from a person's past and present actions and seeing that he would never hurt Lucy or Peter and never did hurt them however erratic his behaviour, that he never actually hurt Ian physically or anything or in a dangerous way and that he was going to kill himself - well I just can't bring myself to be too hard on him.
So pretending to be Lucy's dead mother, and communicating with Lucy for several months pretending to be Cindy and promising her that they would be together, didnt hurt her (or Peter who thought his mother had rejected him) in anyway?! :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
He didnt hurt Ian with all those mind games he played, or locking him up in a condemned block of flats?
Interesting....
Well yes - but remember he wasn't well. I noticed when Ian was telling Lucy Steven was sending the messages and messing with their minds he said "not yours" and put the gun down because he saw he was scaring his little sister. He's not evil, he's messed up. Yes he did hurt Ian psychologically but remember that he was deluded and thought Ian was responsible for Cindy's death inprison. His conversation with Pat made him see he was wrong in his judgement ad whenhe saw how upset everyone was he felt guilty and went to release him. He wouldn't have used the gun except perhaps to ill himself - he only took it out to stop Ian calling the police. I think you should go to the Digital Spy Forums and read the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread.
Why would I want to read the Steven Beale Appreciation Thread? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
As you said Im entitled to my opinion and you are entitled to yours. I do wonder whether you would be quite sooo lenient, and liberal in your thinking, if it had been any other character, as you do some seem to have rather a fixation with Steven, which has (in my opinion) clouded your judgement. :)
There was a vote on the EastEnders website as to whether Steven was mixed-up or evil - at first they were equal but then Mixedup overtook afterFriday and Monday's episodes. The Steven Beale Appreciation thread has messages by those who like me think he's mixedup though of course everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Don't call it a fixation -it isn't. I'm just sorry for him and wouldn't mind being in Lucy's shoes. Lucy was slightly lenient with him though she made him see his actions were screwed up. I don't think anyone could hate him and certainly Lucy couldn't because he is her half brother still whtever he's done. I don't think that if it had been another charecter - well it just depends. Though I don't watch Coronation Street everything I heard about David Platt made me hatehim and I was :rolleyes: when one or two people were sorry for him. It depends on the person and situation. I'm glsd for instance Chelsea and Deano were banged up. They deserved that.
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Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes
Chelsea and Deanooooooo I agree did wrong, I totally agree, but you could argue that what they did wasnt premediated (initally), where as what Steven did was!!!! So cant understand how you can think that Chelsea and Deanoooo deserve being banged up, yet think Steven should get away with all he has done scott free!!! :confused:
I just kind of decide based on the circumstances and the charecter.
Ok - Chelsea and Deano - I agree it was not predmeditated but they were not mentally ill. They diliberately lied resulting in an innocent man going to prison for three weeks for attempted murder sio no sympathy there but very slowly mybe they can be forgiven and go back to normal.
In Steven's case he was mentally ill. Yes he organized that campaign of terror against Ian but how much control he had over his actions is unknown given his illness. the shooting of Jane was accidental seeing as they were all fighting with the gunto stop him committing suicide so his casse is different so I am more understanding/sympathetic and certainly have a lot of empathy with him.
Craig Dixon - a psychopath who deserves a life sentence for his unforgivable attack on Patrick.
In May Wright's case I was also sympathetic just as I was sympathetic towards Steven though I hated Stella for her treatment of Ben. It just depends on the charecter and the circumstances. I really hope Stevencan eventually be a part of the family - it doesn't feel right without him now.