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Actually I have never smoked in my life although have suffered health problems caused by smokers. I recently had a stroke and according to my consultant had I been a smoker the results of it would have been fatal. My decision to drink alcohol does not poison those around me unlike the effects of a smoker. :p I have never heard of anyone getting lung cancer from someone elses drinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahWakefield
Im not saying that drinking necessarily harms others around you, but in general people are ill from drinking.
Seems anything I say just gets dismissed so ill say nothing else on the matter, apart from i think its totally wrong!
just from being out and about today, in my local town no-one actually payed attention to it whilst in manchester people were adhering and i have to say it wasn't pleasant when i walked out of piccadilly station because there were huge crowds under the roof smoking but oh well i'll get used to it!
i work in a pub occasionally and this is great news, the only bad thing is you can smell the potato and leek soup cooking - stink!
That's another thing.. Now that you can't smoke in clubs and pubs etc, there are alot of drunk people smoking outside in the street (For the places that haven't got a shelter), And it make me nervous walking in front of them, so I'll cross the road if possible, but it doesn't stop them making remarks. It's intimidating, particularly for teenagers and the elderly people.
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Originally Posted by SarahWakefield
You could say that smokers are the anti social ones, polluting the air around them, with ‘second hand’ smoke. Smoke which is involuntarily inhaled by others (children and adults). Smoke which can cause diseases (ie cancer) and premature death in children and adults. Smoke which contains hundreds of chemicals known to be toxic….
So excuse me if I dont feel sorry for smokers having to go outside to smoke now, or that they feel like they are 'social lepers'. I value my health much more than I do their feelings.
For the record, I use to be an occasional 'social' smoker. Though I dont think there's anything at all social about smoking.
Most of my friends smoke and have continued to do so since the ban was introduced, if we're on a night out the just go outside. It has not encouraged them to stop smoking, even at work we have two smoking shelters and the smokers are out there in all weather. I don't think the economy will suffer that much.
Not all ex smokers are the worst i gave up smoking 2 an a half years ago but i have not told my partner friends or family to stop smoking and they all smoke around me i dont mind..Quote:
Originally Posted by SarahWakefield
Lets not bash each other about being smokers, non smokers, or otherwise. We are all entitled to our opinions and don't need to be bashed for them.
Personally, I do feel that smokers are made to feel social outcasts, just like single parent families were by the Tories.
A friend of mine is going through their 3rd bout of cancer (not lung but cancer all the same) and we've just found out it has spread and the outlook is looking very grim. I also have a great uncle who is suffering from terminal cancer.
But its coming to the point of daft, in some respects. When you are pregnant, you can't eat this, that or anything else, you can't drink this that or anything else, you can't DO this that or anything else - so what are you supposed to do. We are being told more and more how to live our lives and choice is suddenly disappearing from our hands. When I had my eldest son, my dad brought in a four pack of guiness into the hospital for me - if he even considered bringing me a glass of wine now, both of us would be shamed.
I just wonder where it is going to end tbh. I'm not going for anyone, or against anyone, but looking at it from both sides and can understand both sides too.
Whilst I agree with your sentiments Ems. The problem with smoking is that it doesnt just affect the smokers health. It affects the health of those who are forced to breath in the exhaled smoke. If someone drinks too much its only their liver that gets sirosis (sp)Quote:
Originally Posted by JoJo
The effects of nicotine and tobacco are well documented.
As for your Dad bringing Guiness into hospital for you I hope you drank it its full of iron. You should have went through BUPA though when my wife was in hospital recovering from major surgery the ward sister used to pour her a glass of Brandy each evening:)