I wonder then if Andy is in fact Gareth? Interesting stuff.Quote:
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I wonder then if Andy is in fact Gareth? Interesting stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
I think Barbara as a big Carry On acting star joining the soap was a very deal at the time when she started playing PeggyQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
The Mitchell family are such an synonymous family with the show and being the matriarch and also pub landlady for a long time she is going to get a big send off
I am enjoying her "last orders" send off as so far some great emotional scenes very well acted
im still hoping for a peg slap on claudette, is there a showdown between them before she dies which is next tuesday that peg dies
She did do a line that was so 'carry on' I nearly turned the telly off.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
jay the forgotten mitchell no love for him for peg
I thought Monday's episode was excellent. It was just as much about Phil as Peggy, so I hope viewers who dislike the latter still enjoyed it. The mother and her two boys are reunited at last and I can't wait for their scenes tomorrow.
I am wondering whether Phil and Peggy are really discussing her suicide? Their words have been written very carefully to make it sound like that without being specific. Still,
Spoiler:
I thoroughly enjoyed Ian and Phil's, and Peggy and Stacey's chats.
A nice mention of Pauline in tonight's episode, good scenes with Phil and Peggy. I think it may be too late to try and make Ian likeable again, it does not wash with me sorry. Ian and Jane are ruined characters. Liked the look Peggy gave Claudette. It was as though Peggy had trod in something smelly.
Grants entrance was a bit of an anti climax and that Duff Duff at the end seemed to go on for ever with the camera zooming onto Ross Kemps face.
I couldn't agree more. I just think they are both despicable and cringe every time they come on.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
was claudette not in hiding from vincent?
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Originally Posted by flappinfanny
I disagree. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Ian and Jane have done a terrible thing and must pay for it (I suspect Jane will go (one way or another) leaving Ian bereft - plus he's likely to lose Bobby for the foreseeable future), but at least they did what they did out of love. Compare that to a character like Phil who hurts everyone around him because he takes pleasure in it. He's also just as guilty of covering for Bobby (as are others), so I don't think Ian and Jane come off too badly in comparison.
I believe Ian can be redeemed when he's lost everything as a consequence of the cover up (which of course includes allowing Max to go to prison). Today's scene between Ian and Phil proved to me that even the most unlikable characters can be compelling. It really depends if the acting and writing is good enough to elicit the audience's sympathy. I find Phil the most detestable character currently in EE but Steve McFadden is able to make me sympathise with Phil's current predicament almost against my wishes.
I certainly don't condone Ian and Jane's crimes and wouldn't associate with them in real life (and wouldn't hesitate in turning them in), but as soap characters I can still enjoy watching them. I must admit that wasn't the case earlier in the year when they conspired to send Max down but, unlike in real life, we can be fairly certain all this will come out sooner or later and there'll be serious repercussions for them.
I'm always aware of the ticking time bomb when I watch them which adds tension to their scenes. I do think the whole storyline could (and should) have been written much better and in a way that we could sympathise more with their desperate predicament. I just hope the denouement to this tale is handled more skilfully.
I want Jane and Ian punished especially Jane
They will be, one way or another. Jane might well end up in prison if she confesses, or even dead at Bobby's hands. I doubt Adam Woodyatt's leaving EE though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I have mixed feelings about Ian and Jane. Ian's an idiot, but then that's nothing new. Jane; I understand she did what she did because she has a mother's love for Bobby, and he's the closest thing she has to a son because she can't have kids. However, there's no excuse for what they've done to Max, and they've clearly ignored all the signs that Bobby is mentally damaged. This and next week's story was inevitable. I mean, you can't just send someone off to a posh school and automatically assume that things will get better. Bobby clearly needs way more help than a mere talking to at a strict school can do.
On the plus side, it looks like Ian won't have to sell to Cosmart anymore, since I doubt the school will want Bobby back after they learn about his attack on Jane.
Did you miss last night's episode where the question of Costmart and Bobby's continuing attendance at boarding school was resolved?Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
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Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I agree with most of what you sayStoryseeker1
but though it is usually very sad when
a woman cant have.childrenof her own-
as they would be good mothers - there
is a small minority like Jane who are more
of a "smother".
Too much about what they want rather than
giving love and.guidance which enables the
child to became an independent adult.:love:
That I can't deny, though we're still not sure yet if Bobby's circumstances really are the result of too much spoiling and smothering, or if they're because of something else. (I still suspect Bobby might have IED.)Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Haven't watched any ep yet this week, as I've been too tired and wait till the end of the week to watch them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Im sure it is a mixture of factors.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
He does seem to have a personality
disorder(I not sure which)but having
a "mother" like Jane will probably
have re-inforced it!!
We will have to wait and see what story
they come up with!:hmm:
Not seen last nights episode yet either
Ive not seen it either. When I am ableQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
to will.be interested to see how the issues
are resolved!
nice having pat back, you bitch you cow :p
Pat's appearance was the highlight of Peggy's final episode for me, and I thought Ross Kemp was quite strong - especially considering he doesn't act much any more. I'm glad it was nicely downplayed for the most part and there were no histrionics.
It was "you bitch, you cow" that started my tears off - pure nostalgia for me. I thought the stopping of the clock at the end was a moving touch.
I did hope Peggy wouldn't commit suicide though, and I thought Sharon and Grant's chemistry felt manufactured and slightly cringeworthy. And what was the point of the toilet storyline in that episode?
I enjoyed it overall even though it was too sentimental for my taste in parts.
Tordrid dribble .....bog awful sentimental pish :angel:
It was my birthday and I was slightly falling over drunk and cant even remember more than the crapers being carried about :o
Oh and Granty boy wanting his money back. which makes me presume hes here for a bit.
Happy birthday for yesterday! :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
(It sounds like you enjoyed yourself :D)
I wasn't particularly moved by Peggy's suicide, felt Pat's death was sadder and pulled at the strings more for me
I did enjoy the vision of Pat again, good on Pam for returning considering Barbara didn't for her exit
Grant returned to see his dying mother for a few hours with no Sam, baby Ricky or Courtney :angry:
Sharon and Grant still have chemistry
I thought the best part of the episode was after the end credits rolled :D, and when the Bobby and Jane Beale trailer was shown ,worth waiting for. Having said that still don't think this will conclude the storyline. D.T.C. said upon the announcement of his retirement he intended to leave certain storylines open for the new exec producer to deal with. Max not due back supposedly until Sept ?:hmm:
didn't see it but saw the script in the paper and it seems very movingQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Actually, when I got to this bit I remembered the time they got drunk in the Ice cream van.. One of the best scenes with Peggy and PatQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Always a good plan when you're completely at a sticky bit. Of course he might have left half a dozen story line options for the next one to look through. Or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
How can the truth come out without several other people going to prison? Oh it's EE land community service for 3 hours and don't do it again.
Always a good plan when you're completely at a sticky bit. Of course he might have left half a dozen story line options for the next one to look through. Or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
How can the truth come out without several other people going to prison? Oh it's EE land community service for 3 hours and don't do it again.
Jane confesses and swears nobody else knew? That might not be realistic in real life but in soap land...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
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