Current Episode Discussion V

I think Little Mo should have left with Oliver, but at least they left it open for them to get together, at a later date. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they get married at some point in the future.

How obvious was that Martin/Carly thing?! I knew it was going to happen soon, but when I heard Sonia talk about her and Martin going to allotments together before, I knew it. It was just stupid!

I like Martin and Carly as a couple. He should be with her. Sonia had her chance, there's no point trying to rehash old ground now. She's still with Naomi for christ sake. You could understand if they'd broken up, but her behaviour is not fair to anybody. I'm starting to feel sorry for Naomi.

It seems like Carla's going to be good.

Not sure what I'm supposed to think of that episode to be honest. All rather bizarre.


So, I'll mention the little things. Like Stacey's, "Because you wanted them more than they wanted you." Love her...but she really needs to work on her tact.

As does Sonia on her post-split conversations. The best places they used to have sex...not really recommended.

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Originally Posted by littlemo

I think Little Mo should have left with Oliver, but at least they left it open for them to get together, at a later date. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they get married at some point in the future.

How obvious was that Martin/Carly thing?! I knew it was going to happen soon, but when I heard Sonia talk about her and Martin going to allotments together before, I knew it. It was just stupid!

I like Martin and Carly as a couple. He should be with her. Sonia had her chance, there's no point trying to rehash old ground now. She's still with Naomi for christ sake. You could understand if they'd broken up, but her behaviour is not fair to anybody. I'm starting to feel sorry for Naomi.

It seems like Carla's going to be good.

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Little Mo was right to go on her own. She does need to stand on her own two feet and not rely on others for her happiness. Only then will she be able to have a successful relationship with Oliver.

The Martin/Carly thing was too obvious, as is the fact that he suddenly seems to have recovered from Sonia overnight. I don't like Carly, she drives me mad, but perhaps they will be a good couple because if he can move on within a couple of months, his feelings for Sonia were never genuine. It takes much, much longer than that.

I will never feel sorry for Naomi. You mess in someone's marriage and that is the risk you take. She deserves to get hurt. Sonia is so mixed up and confused which all stems from her past and the fact that she has never faced up to anything. I can see her life spiralling out of control, but it is already. Martin caused most of the mess in her life but she helped and supported him when his life hit rock bottom. Unfortunately, the Fowlers aren't as forgiving.

I like Carly, she is down to earth and really seems to go with Martin, that stupid marriage with a passionate Greek is to much odf for her. Little Mo should stand on her own two feet. Maybe she can hook up with Doc in the future.

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Originally Posted by sarah21

The Martin/Carly thing was too obvious, as is the fact that he suddenly seems to have recovered from Sonia overnight. I don't like Carly, she drives me mad, but perhaps they will be a good couple because if he can move on within a couple of months, his feelings for Sonia were never genuine. It takes much, much longer than that.

I will never feel sorry for Naomi. You mess in someone's marriage and that is the risk you take. She deserves to get hurt. Sonia is so mixed up and confused which all stems from her past and the fact that she has never faced up to anything. I can see her life spiralling out of control, but it is already. Martin caused most of the mess in her life but she helped and supported him when his life hit rock bottom. Unfortunately, the Fowlers aren't as forgiving.

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So Sonia's suddenly allowed to run off with Naomi...but Martin isn't allowed to move on?!? Sonia is the one messing people about, and maybe she does have reasons for her behaviour, but it doesn't change the behaviour itself. She was married to Martin, she went off with Naomi, made Naomi believe Sonia loved her, and now she's backtracking and acting like she wants Martin back.

I think Martin's being as supportive as he can be, and as anyone can expect him to be. He's letting her see Rebecca, when actually he has no obligation to do so. Why should he have to tiptoe around the person who cheated on him? Why should he be helpful and supportive about her decision to leave him? It was her decision to make, Naomi didn't hold a gun to her head, and it's Sonia who has to deal with the consequences because she had an major part in making the situation. What about all the times Martin tried talking to her and she told him to get lost? When he tried telling her about Margaret's phone call and she said he was dead to her? Sonia is in no way the innocent in this, and I'm not saying Martin and Naomi are, but what they've done in the past, or what they're doing now, doesn't excuse her.

Yopu are so right, Martin has been very graceful towards Sonia, she is a manipulative, selfish cow. I used to like her very much.

Martin is trying to move on, but he still loves Sonia, that much is obvious. I think if Sonia went and asked him to take her back, he would still give her another chance. Carly is a nice pretty woman, but she's not his wife, and he doesn't have a child with her. I think he needs a bit of fun in his life right now but who knows what will happen in the future.

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Originally Posted by BlackKat

So Sonia's suddenly allowed to run off with Naomi...but Martin isn't allowed to move on?!? Sonia is the one messing people about, and maybe she does have reasons for her behaviour, but it doesn't change the behaviour itself. She was married to Martin, she went off with Naomi, made Naomi believe Sonia loved her, and now she's backtracking and acting like she wants Martin back.

I think Martin's being as supportive as he can be, and as anyone can expect him to be. He's letting her see Rebecca, when actually he has no obligation to do so. Why should he have to tiptoe around the person who cheated on him? Why should he be helpful and supportive about her decision to leave him? It was her decision to make, Naomi didn't hold a gun to her head, and it's Sonia who has to deal with the consequences because she had an major part in making the situation. What about all the times Martin tried talking to her and she told him to get lost? When he tried telling her about Margaret's phone call and she said he was dead to her? Sonia is in no way the innocent in this, and I'm not saying Martin and Naomi are, but what they've done in the past, or what they're doing now, doesn't excuse her.

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No, it doesn't excuse her. Of course it doesn't. What I'm saying is Sonia is in deep crisis at the moment largely because of the way Martin messed up her life in the past. She needs help and when Martin needed the help, it was Sonia who helped him get his life back on track. When everyone turned against Martin for killing Jamie, it was Sonia who forgave him and bought fruit from his stall when no one else would. When Pauline came to see Sonia about Jamie's death, it was Sonia who said that she didn't blame Martin and smoothed the way for him. When he came out of prison and nobody had any time for him, he blackmailed Kareena and grew pot and allowed Derek to take the blame, it was Sonia who helped him find stability. If it wasn't for her, Martin would have ended up back in prison, outcast by the square.

Sonia is a totally confused, mixed up girl who was vulnerable when Naomi decided she was going to break up this couple. And make no mistake about it, Naomi came to the square to do exactly that. She constantly put Martin down and said how he wasn't good enough for Sonia who at the time, stood up to Naomi and told her he was her husband and she had no right to talk about him like that. Anybody who interferes in a marriage deserves to get hurt and badly, so I've absolutely no sympathy for her at all.

As regards Rebecca, Martin had no right to go behind Sonia's back and ask for sole custody. He knows how much that child means to his wife and it is Sonia who has suffered the feelings of loss and regret over the last 5 years, not Martin. He is using Rebecca to make Sonia suffer for leaving him. Yes, he has every right to move on, BUT, if he is able to so quickly, then he never had genuine feelings for his wife anyway. I would like to see him make a go of it with Carly, she can cope with his mother from hell. I would like to see Sonia have her break down, sort herself out, go for custody of Rebecca and win and find someone who does love her and who hasn't caused her all this heartache.

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Originally Posted by sarah21

No, it doesn't excuse her. Of course it doesn't. What I'm saying is Sonia is in deep crisis at the moment largely because of the way Martin messed up her life in the past. She needs help and when Martin needed the help, it was Sonia who helped him get his life back on track. When everyone turned against Martin for killing Jamie, it was Sonia who forgave him and bought fruit from his stall when no one else would.

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Well OK I agree with you on this part. I used to like her for that, wasn't sure why or how she could forgive him for Jamie's death. But she did because she wanted to. But she welcomed Naomi with open arms. Martin owes a lot to Sonia, but he is under the influence of his mother. Not even his brother and sister could stand up to her and left on many occasion, so why could he go against her? Sonia has the same rights as Martin regarding Rebbecca, and maybe she is cracking up but she needs to get her act together.

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Originally Posted by sarah21

No, it doesn't excuse her. Of course it doesn't. What I'm saying is Sonia is in deep crisis at the moment largely because of the way Martin messed up her life in the past. She needs help and when Martin needed the help, it was Sonia who helped him get his life back on track. When everyone turned against Martin for killing Jamie, it was Sonia who forgave him and bought fruit from his stall when no one else would. When Pauline came to see Sonia about Jamie's death, it was Sonia who said that she didn't blame Martin and smoothed the way for him. When he came out of prison and nobody had any time for him, he blackmailed Kareena and grew pot and allowed Derek to take the blame, it was Sonia who helped him find stability. If it wasn't for her, Martin would have ended up back in prison, outcast by the square.

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But you can't use things like that as bargaining chips. You can't say "Sonia forgave him for that, he has to forgive her for this." Regardless of her reasons Sonia cheated on him and left him. How can Martin support her in that? What do you expect him to do? Everytime anyone has questioned Sonia's decision she's told them to go to hell. Martin isn't a mind reader. If she is just messed up and doesn't really want to be with Naomi -- how is he supposed to know that? How is he supposed to support her and help her sort her life out when she's giving out every impression that she's fine, and that it's everyone else who has the problem? The only person she's expressed any regrets to is Carly...and what can she do? It isn't just that Sonia isn't asking for help, it's that when people are offering she's throwing it back in their face.