Well, she knows the Mitchells planned it for Vincent, I don't think she cares about specifically who as I think she blames it all on her Mum, fatboy and the war with the mitchells.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
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Well, she knows the Mitchells planned it for Vincent, I don't think she cares about specifically who as I think she blames it all on her Mum, fatboy and the war with the mitchells.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I am disliking Mick more as each episode passes. He is the parent, the adult. when he first came into the square he was a great parent, he is now letting himself and his family down, especially Linda. If I were Nancy I'd bugger off and leave 'em to it.
Nancy is being held back by her family and although this accident is terrible and a possible tragedy, it could be a good thing for Nancy escaping this claustrophobic situation. It could be the making of her. She is capable of so much more than helping out in a back street rundown boozer. Let Lee stay there with his revolting girlfriend for ever and a day.
I think the way Mick is behaving will tear the family apart. We all know where this story is heading.
yes this seems contrived but we know it is the start of Nancy's exit story?Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
Ollie's head injury was as much an accident as death by dangerous driving. While it was unintentional, it was the result of reckless behaviour. An accident is unforeseeable and unavoidable - which can't be said for the high chair being pushed over in the midst of that row. Arguing like that in front of a young child is pretty indefensible by itself, let alone getting physically aggressive. Even very young babies get distressed by rows.
Nancy is wholly to blame in my eyes. I had plenty of sympathy for her before this incident because Lee stole her job and because Mick and Linda have been blatantly favouring Lee (and Johnny before him). However, to start shouting and pushing people around (especially in front of Ollie) was inexcusable. And yes, Nancy's recent personality transplant feels very contrived (unless it turns out there's a reason for it).
Mick has been getting on my nerves too, not because of the character's attitude but because of some cringeworthy acting...
Talking about acting, the Claudette/Vincent/Donna confrontation was pretty dire too, and only saved by Lisa Hammond (Donna) - who's proving to be very good given something to get her teeth into.
I really liked Martin and Stacey's sweet final scene... :wub:
I agree. Danny Dyer seems to have been given permission to ad lib more these days. If that is the case, I suggest he sticks to the scripts in future and listens to the director. His acting has gone from good to dire in a few weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I agree re Danny Dyers acting, what is going on. The new producer needs to reign him in a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I partly agree with you re Nancy, however I think Witless Whitney needs to take some of the blame as does Lee. For saying they are all adults they are not doing the younger generation any favours. Ollie is more mature than they are.
What did strike me was how clingy and needy the Carter kids are (apart from Johnny) And for saying Lee had been in the Army and when the Carters first arrived Nancy was living with her boyfriend Wayne getting married, how things have changed. I don't think they can function outside the family unit and that is the problem. It's not healthy. They don't have any real friends or interests outside the family, well Nancy does now with Donna, but apart from that they are pretty isolated.
Will Nancy make it up with Mick? If she leaves and they don't, Linda will blame Mick and this will put a strain on their marriage. I hope Nancy gets her Happy Ending, leaving with Tamwar, one things for certain, I don't see Nancy coming back to live in the square, she will leave the dirty rotten place behind. I think this will be the making of her.
I certainly agree Lee and Whitney have contributed to Nancy's recent turbulent emotional state, and I think Mick and Linda have played an even bigger part. They've consistently taken Lee and Whitney's side, and dismissed Nancy's feelings when she's confided in them. As her parents, their job is to reassure her, but they've made matters a lot worse. And from what Nancy said, feeling second best is nothing new either.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
I completely understand Nancy's recent anger, frustration and resentment towards her family. However, by resorting to aggression (especially in close proximity to her baby brother), she's lost the moral high ground. There's just no justification for violence, especially because Lee wasn't directly provoking her at the time. He was trying to leave the room when she pushed him.
She also attacked Whitney recently when Ryan stole the money. I know you Whitney haters will say she deserved it, but whether she did or not isn't the point. Nancy's become dangerous.
As I said on another thread, perhaps there'll be a credible explanation for this character change that'll mean she's blameless. That would be good, although sadly I think it's probably just plot device forSpoiler:
from good to Dyer....... lolQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Lets hope we get some development with Kyle this week. This character and storyline shows a lot of promise.
so becca and sonia accept arthur forgive Stacey
phil is a charmer with his compliments :p
so becca and sonia accept arthur forgive Stacey
phil is a charmer with his compliments :p
Shirley has a share in the pub and her name above it but Sharon has to work there to help Linda, why can't Shirley?
Paul still runs at all Ben's texts yet he treats him bad
Not a bad script from Daran Little. However how many times must we have Kyle turn up and be chucked out by Martin. 23???
I am looking forward to this storyline, so I hope EE don't spoil it. The duff duff was awful to honest.
Best bits of the episode Phil describing Buster as "Fishy Fred." :D Steve McFadden is brilliant as is Karl Howman, but criminally under used. Denise was excellent as always and Sharon behind the Queen Vic bar is so right, it's right! Enjoyed the scenes with Shirley and Sharon. Shirley to Sharon "some tart with big hair chucked him out." :lol:
I have just watched it! I'm glad the truth is out for Kyle. Just hope Stacey doesn't melt down with the Kush stuff. It needs sorting out - but will be hard for them all.
Loved the Phil and Shirl scenes.
it was so good to see the fit and well treat the recovering mentaly unwell lady so empatheticly .. oh wait.
Stacey was wonderful with her brother.
Martin seems to be dealing withthings she needs him to.
Am glad they went to see Kush.
Stacey was wonderful with her brother.
Martin seems to be dealing withthings she needs him to.
Am glad they went to see Kush.
You could make a fortune selling door locks to soap bods, home and away being the meca of just walk in my gaff why dont you.
I'm not too sure about Martin. Most of the time he looks like he's accepted it and moved on but sometimes I get the feeling he's trying to patch wounds that aren't healing and think at some point this is coming to a head.
stacey needs to be honest with martin and treat him better, she can be selfish at times, really shocked she went to see kush already about him being part of arthur's life
I hope Stacey does love and want Martin, I like them together and he seems a good dad to Arthur and Lily but Stacey should have told him the full truth about Kyle
Rebecca does know she was conceived also from one night of drunken hanky panky just like Arthur but at least she is speaking some truth about Kush :p he cant expect to be best friends with Martin still and start playing dad this fast
I think sometimes Sonia needs to stay out of Martin's business
Phil was great with Billy's kids, Billy and Honey, who has become the voice of reason of the Mitchells :p
Why would Ollie be released from hospital already if he has a serious head injury?
A good solid episode. The scenes with Billy and Phil were excellent. Janet stole the episode for me, her little face laughing at what they had done to Phil was lovely to see. I do think Danny Dyer needs to raise his game a bit. I was not convinced by his performance tonight. I felt he was going through the motions.
I feel Danny is trying way too hard, improvising his scenes which makes his acting in the really tense angry emotional scenes as "Dyer bad" :p, he has gone downhillQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
Steve plays drunk Phil so brilliantly
I would like more scenes of honest talk between Phil and Billy, not of Phil bullying Billy
Nancy is still irking me, she is totaly unable to accept the consequrnses of her phiscaly aggressive actions that led to the head injury. Instead she is making it all about how she feels, while others are suffering the horror of having to wait to see what damage has been done, something that will roll out over a long agonosong period. Its not helping that everyone is telling her it wasnt her fault where as it was her temper that caused the incident, that cant really be described as an accident.
If a landlord aggressively threw me out of his pub having just purchased a drink and not beng given time to drink it I would report them to the people that issue the booze license. Certainly never go back if thats how he treats paying customers no matter what his personal issues, which a paying customer would probably not know about.
Martin and Stacy will never work, Kush granny and Martins daughter will make sure of that because all have an urge to do whats best for thmselves and no oneelse.
Nancy is still irking me, she is totaly unable to accept the consequrnses of her phiscaly aggressive actions that led to the head injury. Instead she is making it all about how she feels, while others are suffering the horror of having to wait to see what damage has been done, something that will roll out over a long agonosong period. Its not helping that everyone is telling her it wasnt her fault where as it was her temper that caused the incident, that cant really be described as an accident.
If a landlord aggressively threw me out of his pub having just purchased a drink and not beng given time to drink it I would report them to the people that issue the booze license. Certainly never go back if thats how he treats paying customers no matter what his personal issues, which a paying customer would probably not know about.
Martin and Stacy will never work, Kush granny and Martins daughter will make sure of that because all have an urge to do whats best for thmselves and no oneelse.
never would have thought nancy would sleep with kush even though both are single
phil wlll think he killed his grand kid may finally stop him drinking that babe is cunning though
never would have thought nancy would sleep with kush even though both are single
phil wlll think he killed his grand kid may finally stop him drinking that babe is cunning though
Now how was Phils violent action causeing the fall of Abi any different from Nancys violent action acgainst Lee causing the head injury of a baby.
Are both acidents? or both parties at fault or just Phil at fault bur not Nancy who is told its not her fault by most of the famil although both acted in anger didnt they?
Ben maybe all fake hard to Phil with his vile swagering comments but he is dating a delusioned maniac with killer instinks if she dosent get what she wants, she tried to deown her sister an covered up for Max when she thought he had killed Lucy then didnt clear him when she knew he was inocent. Add Babr to the mix and he will wke up to his man veg in the crisper one morning along with Pauls dismembered apple filled face.
Billy set an imposible task for ill Phil, it was him and Honey that choose their jobs over their kids and forced a position on the guy he would always fail. Addiction to booze is an illness like mentl illness and its frustrating that so many lucky unaflicted have no comprehension or campasion to those that are suffering. But not to understand that booze makes someone make poor decisions, in this case toagree to baby sit the kids, has Bill never been drunk? He did bed Carole one night takes alot a booze to ignore that negative personality.
Now how was Phils violent action causeing the fall of Abi any different from Nancys violent action acgainst Lee causing the head injury of a baby.
Are both acidents? or both parties at fault or just Phil at fault bur not Nancy who is told its not her fault by most of the famil although both acted in anger didnt they?
Ben maybe all fake hard to Phil with his vile swagering comments but he is dating a delusioned maniac with killer instinks if she dosent get what she wants, she tried to deown her sister an covered up for Max when she thought he had killed Lucy then didnt clear him when she knew he was inocent. Add Babr to the mix and he will wke up to his man veg in the crisper one morning along with Pauls dismembered apple filled face.
Billy set an imposible task for ill Phil, it was him and Honey that choose their jobs over their kids and forced a position on the guy he would always fail. Addiction to booze is an illness like mentl illness and its frustrating that so many lucky unaflicted have no comprehension or campasion to those that are suffering. But not to understand that booze makes someone make poor decisions, in this case toagree to baby sit the kids, has Bill never been drunk? He did bed Carole one night takes alot a booze to ignore that negative personality.
I think Ian will end up employing Kyle as he is such a good cook. What possessed Billy to leave the kids with Phil? Nancy would never sleep around like that. I thought Kellie Bright was excellent again tonight. Babe is an evil old cow. I think she may turn against Abi if she finds out it was Lee she slept with. I think it is amusing if Lee does have the clap, he will then pass it on to Whitney. :)
Very good point! Nancy didn't even have the excuse of being drunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
I'd be feeling a hell of a lot more guilty if I was Nancy. She's said she's sorry a few times but appears to be more concerned with whether Mick will forgive her than whether Ollie has permanent brain damage. I don't think she quite comprehends that her brother's life has possibly been ruined and how overwhelmed Mick feels about it.
I do think Mick will forgive her eventually because it wasn't intentional, but it's completely understandable to me that he's so angry with her at the moment.
I find it hard to sympathise with Phil myself, but that's because he's a vile bully even when sober. However, I'm finding it hard to watch those that profess to love him keep turning their backs on him and calling him a loser.Quote:
Originally Posted by Splashy
Sharon herself said this week that alcoholism is a disease but she's no better than the rest of the family. She stayed with him through thick and thin - until he's dying. She even took up briefly with Gavin, who caused Phil to go back on the booze in the first place. No one seems to understand that Phil's not making a decision to put the booze first but that he can't help himself.
I would like to see Babe suffer some kind of atrocities that I won't mention on here but they are in my head. With the voices and lights.
You're right there. But then when they got married people did say it was a mistake...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Doesn't mean she shouldn't be there - did their vows include: in sickness and in health.
Her getting with Gavin and then getting rid of him was a bit of a nonsense really. It showed she didn't understand what he'd done to Phil
Are there often voices and lights in your head? It'd certainly explain a few things... :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Mo Mouse
I was asked if I ever heard voices once and I told the nurse it was just bits of pop songs that float round that need to be let out. I randomly sing (out of tune) bits of stuff from time to time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
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Originally Posted by Dazzle
Yes, a lot of the time. I like to think it makes me the person I am.
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Originally Posted by Dazzle
Yes, a lot of the time. I like to think it makes me the person I am.
No way would Nancy sleep with Kush, she is being changed into an unlikable character for her exit, remember Nancy was suspicious of Kush and Stacey and warned Stacey off not to hurt Shabham
I think Kush and Stacey are expecting too much too soon in regard to baby Arthur, Martin isn't happy
Oh Babe you would hurt anyone