no sympathy for eileen if she conned but it be jason who likely will lose allQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
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no sympathy for eileen if she conned but it be jason who likely will lose allQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
It is Jason´s money she will lose :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Isn't that the story Phelan is going to tell but really they are going to share the proceeds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
both were warned and didn't listenQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
both were warned and didn't listenQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
No, what Phelan said would be that Vinny would do a runner taking the money and all the blame leaving Phelan looking like an innocent party (obviously having safely stashed his half of the proceeds).Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
What I'm suggesting is that Vinny double-crosses Phelan and really takes all the money and leaves proof that Phelan was up to his neck in it. No honour among thieves etc.
I'm hoping that is the case, that he teams up with Phelan to take him down. Sadly I have my doubts.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
Considering Kate Oates is in charge, this is most likely exactly what will happen. She managed to redeem the killer psycho Robert on Emmerdale, so a scam artist should be really easy compared to that, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
Not exactly true, I know because I've read the spoilers. But yes, for most of the viewers it will probably be a shock, which is exactly what Kate wants. She prefers shocking twists and stunts over characterization and character development.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
I know a bit but I don't think we know the very final outcome …….do you ? Does he go or does he stay
I know a bit about Vinny and Todd but I don't think we know the very final outcome …….do we ? do you ? Does he go or does he stay
I can imagine Michael getting involved in trying to stop Phelan ...
Where IS Michael ?
So now y'all know. Todd was the one who called the bishop :(
Oh bit of a coincidence that he left us phone and bishop rings . If I was going to see Phelan in a deserted building I would make sure I had my phone with me
had the bishop caller id or did todd just leave his own mobile numberQuote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
Todd is playing a clever game. Round one of Phelan's downfall.
Caller ID I suspectQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Todd called the bishop and pretended to be a Mr Harrison but from his own mobile number so the Bishop called the numberQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Todd called the bishop and pretended to be a Mr Harrison but from his own mobile number.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
How do you know Todd is playing though and didn't team up with him for real?Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
Just a feeling. Hah a Phelan.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
Something has to bring him down.
Just a feeling. Hah a Phelan.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
Something or someone has to bring him down.
Enjoyed the scenes with Todd, Bruno Langley is brilliant in the role and is very watchable. I don't know why he wants to protect that mother of his or his brother.
Eva is really grating on me, I would love some one to smack her in the chops. Shut up, just shut up!!!! Billy deserves to get back with Sean and be completely bored to death for the rest of his naturals. Here endeth the sermon.
I'd love to believe that, but his attitude to Tracey tells me he's not playing a game. He had absolutely no reason to put on a bitter and twisted act for her. All that he needed to say was that he'd scored a better job.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
Also, his total lack of remorse and understanding of Billy's feelings about him calling the bishop prove that he's got very little conscience. Bearing that in mind, and remembering that his sole reason for hating Phelan has been his suspicion that he's taking his mum and brother for a ride, why should he care about anyone else now he's reassured that his family are protected and he himself is in line for a big pay day?
Saying all that...Todd's very obvious deep hurt over being dumped has ramped up dark side, so I do think it's quite possible he'll have a change of heart and end up doing the right thing. I just don't think that's his intention at this moment in time.
I hope I'm wrong! :eek: :crying: :ninja:
todd now is thinking of himself getting the money
He did say he was going to get Phelan. He didn't know how yet but he will get him. I think he has a plan and going undercover.
Yes, I haven't forgotten about that. It was a very pointed remark, and soap writers usually put in lines like that for a reason so I totally understand your point of view and admit it could be correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
However, Todd pulling a fast one on Phelan and Vinny just doesn't jibe with his behaviour after Billy dumped him in my opinion (for the reasons I've explained above). This is why I'm thinking Todd is sincere at the moment but might have a change of heart and realise he's got the in he wanted to bring Phelan down. (Or alternatively the contradictions could just be bad writing. :p)
I hope Sean and Billy can become friends again and not go back as a couple, they were very mismatchedQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
They work very well as friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I don't necessarily like the direction Kate is taking Todd, I think it was unnecessary to make him "bad" again, to team up with Phelan and do something so incredibly stupid as calling the bishop. Todd had come a long way, he was starting to act more selfless, he actually cared about other people, Billy, Sean, Sarah, Eileen, Jason, even Tracy. It was really nice to see that softer side of him and that he isn't bad, he's a good guy deep down. He is capable of love, friendships and compassion for other people. I disagree with Kate's choice to have him team up with Phelan because I feel all the progress he has made lately has been a waste. All those months of seeing him grow and change for the better are now for nothing. But I digress. I would prefer him taking down Phelan instead of teaming up with him and reading Facebook comments it seems like 90 % of the fans of the show agree with me. So again, I think Kate made a mistake, but whatever. That's just my own opinion.
Aside from that though, the episodes yesterday were well done. As much as I hate Todd going "bad" again, at least he seems a bit more conflicted this time than back when he took revenge on Eileen and Jason, so maybe he has grown. I think he was heartbroken, upset and angry so he just acted out, he didn't think when he teamed up with Phelan. In other words it's just Todd being Todd, he is so impulsive and never thinks through the consequences of his actions. You could see he instantly regretted it though, which was nice to see. Maybe he has changed, maybe he isn't all "bad" after all. It's funny because despite the bad boy act I feel like Todd actually is a decent person, despite him saying otherwise. I feel like the bad boy act is just a cover he puts up because he's heart and broken on the inside. I get it, it can't be easy, he keeps messing up when he doesn't mean to. There has to be a reason why he self destructs like this all the time, I hope Kate explores it, what happened to him in London. It's like he thinks he doesn't deserve to be happy and that everyone else is better off without him.
Also, a side note, you could tell he was completely heartbroken over Billy dumping him. His face and tears said it all. Didn't look like a person who was just stringing another person along. So I hope this can help shut up those who doubted Todd was genuine with Billy, when it's obvious he was. Heck... even Billy said despite Todd the fact that Todd lied and manipulated him, it didn't come from a place of malice, and Todd wasn't wrong about the church. It made Billy consider maybe leaving after all. And also.. it gives me hope that Todd and Billy still have a future. I still believe they care very deeply for each other. Those feelings won't go away even if they're not together anymore. And Billy saying those things about Todd, understanding where Todd was coming from, even defending him, after he betrayed him, says a lot about Billy. After the initial anger had died down he knew Todd didn't mean anything bad by it, it was still wrong of course. Instead of manipulating the situation Todd should have just tried to talk to him about it. But anyway.. I think after a while, they'll manage to work things out. But it will take time, Billy is very hurt and angry right now, as he should be. He was betrayed by him. But yes, I still believe there is hope for them, the Billy scene at the end of the episode gave me hope that they will eventually get back together.
PS: Bruno Langley is a fantastic actor and it pisses me off that he doesn't get more credit.
He is a good actor and I think he's better looking than most in Corrie
I think the break up with Billy was the catalyst to push Todd into Phelan's deal, he wasn't thinking rationally, once the enormity of the deal sinks in I cannot see Todd going through it all in the end but this is a good way for him to bring down Phelan and Vinny, keeping in close with them
I still think that Todd is playing a clever game , gone undercover and is going to bring Phelan down. I do hope so because it is a MUCH better story than Todd getting tempted by money and includes a lovely come - uppance.IMO.
This is one of the three scenarios I thought of as possible, basically 1. Todd teaming up with them for real 2. Todd teaming up with them to take them down or 3. Todd teaming up with them then something happens that makes him change his mind and he decides to take them down instead. I think this is the third scenario. It's better than 1, but I still would have preferred 2. Although I get it.. Billy breaking up with him was the thing that made him join them. He clearly didn't think straight. He was upset, hurt, angry and made an impulsive decision, without thinking through the consequences, typical Todd, just like the bishop thing. It looks like he instantly regretted it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I feel so bad for Todd. He is just SO broken on the inside, so messed up. His comment about not sleeping well in years was just so heartbreaking. I just want to give him a hug already 😭😭😭😭😭
It was sad. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
I'm glad to see his conscience is already pricking him, but he's trapped now he's made a deal with the devil. As Phelan says, Eileen and Jason will lose out if the scam fails. And half a million pounds is a huge incentive!
Also, it's not enough that he's disgusted at Phelan targeting someone vulnerable like Alex. He needs to actively prevent the latter from losing out if there's any hope of him being redeemed.
He's clever though so he may find to bring down the whole house of cards that doesn't harm his family (and hopefully anybody else).
Of course he didn't think straight - he's gay.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
(sorry!)
I'd go with that too. From what I've read, looks to me like 90% of members are keen for Phelan to get his pudding - err, err, just desserts.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
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