and if the Social Worker was there with Jade and Shabnam, it was hardly elicit and undercover?
whats all the fuss??!!
ok Shab's was naughty trying to get Jade to be Anti-Dean etc, but probably no more than he has done already
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and if the Social Worker was there with Jade and Shabnam, it was hardly elicit and undercover?
whats all the fuss??!!
ok Shab's was naughty trying to get Jade to be Anti-Dean etc, but probably no more than he has done already
I think Vincent has two agendas in regard to the Mitchells, helping the police and also his mother bring them down, them being PhilQuote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
Ronnie has to not tell Phil and help Vincent now as he recorded her about Carl's murder
It is still confusing
Really having difficulty trying to understand what's going on with this storyline. Spending more time reading up on wiki to try and find some past motives than viewing. Worse than swotting for an exam.:confused:
shut up mick why oh why on after shirley again
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
The jade decision is horrific. Is it really too soon?
What about jade? Does she not need her mum more than her gran?
I think Stacey was talking about the time Shabnam took Jade for the day without permission when she ought to have been at school.Quote:
Originally Posted by sarah c
I wonder if that recording would even stand up in a court of law? At the very least I'd expect Ronnie to make sure it's above board before complying with Vincent.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Right on all counts Rear window imo. Can't believe Kush's attitude, well I can still got eyes for Stacey. Jade is sure going to feel rejected by Shabnam .Jades feelings on the matter never mentioned .:angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
I sat through the first half of tonight's episode extremely irritated! There is absolutely no way the judge would make a decision based on the fact that Shabnam spent a day with Jade. It really would have no bearing on his/her decision and yet it was elevated to such a major issue. Aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!!:angry:
As if that wasn't bad enough, why on earth would Mick, who runs a pub on the Square, go to the cafe for a tea to go?
I hated this change on the decision. Seemed like it was all down to Kush, who's never seemed keen on the idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
mick goes out of his way to see shirley so to be insulted
gerbil ian face at cost of tree was funny
mick goes out of his way to see shirley so to be insulted
gerbil ian face at cost of tree was funny
Every scene with Shabnam was quality, Rakhee is truly amazing and her scenes with Linda Henry were special, the rest of it was pretty lame. I am so bored with Vincent, also shirley's feud with Mick. I dislike the Beale's so much, which sums up sadly what DTC and that Lamb bloke are doing to the show. I am still convinced DTC is trying to ruin Stacey as a character. I bet Lacey wishes she had not returned and done another series of the excellent 'Our Girl.'
I did smile at Dean's line to Mick 'None for you Michael.' :D
So this will be the best Christmas ever for Ian as his mother has risen from the dead but his daughter is still dead murdered by her brother :angry:
My heart was breaking for Shabham
I thought Shirley was going to do the right thing and tell Shabham she should take her as guardian and she wouldn't contest
I am really annoyed at Mick still fawning to get in Shirley's good books, she always picks Dean over him why does he keep trying, Linda is clearly upset over it :angry:
Is Stacey blabbing deliberately on Shabham as she does want Kush for herself, I do like her friendship with Shabham
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
It sort of makes it look like family court decides things on a whim and not with the long term interests of the child at heart of it all.
I suspect Shabs and Kush will break up though - Stacey's baby will need it's dad just as Jade needs her mum.
There's so many bits of story line going on - been started up and left like threads dangling.
I thought someone there should have said that Shabnam could still see Jade on a regular basis working towards her being reunited with her in the future when she is ready. It was all a bit cold and 'not ever' which I thought was so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
It sort of makes it look like family court decides things on a whim and not with the long term interests of the child at heart of it all.
I suspect Shabs and Kush will break up though - Stacey's baby will need it's dad just as Jade needs her mum.
There's so many bits of story line going on - been started up and left like threads dangling.
Soaps do give misleading impressions ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
various agencies who deal with" child
welfare" matters. Which is unfair on the
staff who their job conciensciously .
Also gives families with no actual knowledge
of procedures a false impression and put
up a barrier against them seeking help.
who would give shirley a child given her history plus no job either
I totally agree with all your comments about Jade's custody. It was distasteful and unrealistic that the unstable and spiteful Shirley, along with recent ex-con Buster, got custody of Jade - at all, let alone so easily.
It perplexes me that everyone's talking as if Jade living with Shirley can't be changed in the future. Surely Shabnam can re-apply for custody when she's recovered from Zaair's death (although I personally feel she was persuaded she isn't ready rather than truly believing it herself).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
Also, if she'd gone to court and explained the situation perhaps the judge would only have awarded Jade's grandparents temporary custody?
I hope Shabnam's not pregnant again because I want her to quickly realise she's the best guardian for Jade after all. Another baby can't replace either Zaair or Jade. (Also, we do not need yet another pregnancy plot!)
Well, it's been a couple of months since Ian found out Kathy faked her death and abandoned him, and it's already like she's never been away. Sorry, but I just don't believe Ian wouldn't feel any anger towards his mum whatever the circumstances of her "death". It's not in many people's nature to be so utterly forgiving, and it's especially not in the self-centred prat that is Ian Beale's nature.
Kathy gets off in court with a very lightly slapped wrist... :wall:
I did enjoy Ian's horrified face when he found out the Christmas tree he was boasting about's going to cost him £3,000 though. :D
I'm beginning to think the only explanation for Mick continually seeking Shirley's approval is that he's a masochist. :eek:
lets not forget kathy and ben were going to fleece moneymad ian and leave, all forgiven
Given Ian's previous mental health issues it is surprising how well he's coped with everything. It is a strange story to have had - but people usually get locked up for the insurance fraud (canoe man and his wife got 6 years - and A compensation hearing to determine how the couple can pay back the £250,000 they defrauded will take place at a later date. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/7520803.stm
And she agreed to pay 600k back
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ay-600000.html
He had no assets and so only had to pay a quid back - so maybe if Kathy has no money then they can't take any back.
I spose from a storyline point of view there'd be no point bringing her back from the dead only to lock her away for 6 years - unless they were going to do a prison spinoff with all the people from EE in prison at the moment.
If they'd not caught Gavin then how can they have found the truth - they've only got Kathy's word for it. But again it's soap not real life.
Dup.
Where the entity defrauded is an insurance coQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
ie not a person** compensation is seperate from
sentence -as you say.
A couple of points occurred to me- who.owns
the house we saw several times.If in.joint
names and no mortgage -Kathy is entitled to
half and debtors could claim.
I may have remembered wrongly but I thought
canoe man had transferred his share of any
assets into wifes name before he disappeared??
I think in EE its all been left purposefully vague
until they decide what they are doing with
characters longer term.
** in this case a voluntary early offer to
make full restitution can lead to lighter
sentence.
the fancy notting hill house was the solicitor's gaff i think
Because her brother faked his death and it was inherited by her - I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Because her brother faked his death and it was inherited by her - I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Thats very interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
As her inheritance was based on.a fraudulent
event - I wonder if that.negates the bequest
or she probably inherited as next of kin
if he died and was intestate. Kathy would
otherwise have inherited but faked her death
also.
I can see why SWs went a bit vague.!!
So is Kathy boracic or not??
I think so considering it wasn't long ago she was begging Phil for money.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
so vincent's daddy died at christmas and was car lot fire set by phil mitchell around christmas too which killed someone now carmel can crack this soon like sussing stacey's baby is her kushie get on her max's case :p
I will focus on the positives first, nice to see a different side to Shirley, Steve McFadden always knocks it out of the park and I like what they have done with him and Letitia. The Stacey storyline looks interesting and who'd ave thought Bonnie Langford would be so brilliant as Carmen, sorry Carmel.
The Kim Vincent stuff was boring, The Beale stuff is awful and if I here about Captain Beale or whatever it is again I will throw up! The Beale family are completely ruined. EE need to do something about the pacing, a 27 minute episode still feels like a lifetime.
Quite agree with Shirley being nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
And Steve makes a great drunk. Not sure it's the storyline to have in the run up to Christmas though.
The Kim stuff with her MIL being a cow is just horrid. I don't like Claudette at all and the sooner she goes the better, but I do want the Aunt Sal story to come through and get rid of her.
The Beale stuff is building to the logical conclusion of all these months/years of waiting. Bobby's a bad boy and isn't getting better.
Quite agree with Shirley being nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
And Steve makes a great drunk. Not sure it's the storyline to have in the run up to Christmas though.
The Kim stuff with her MIL being a cow is just horrid. I don't like Claudette at all and the sooner she goes the better, but I do want the Aunt Sal story to come through and get rid of her.
The Beale stuff is building to the logical conclusion of all these months/years of waiting. Bobby's a bad boy and isn't getting better.
did i miss too how kathy and jane became friends
I'd be interested to know where they get those large banners made up in no time in Walford.....
Like everything else, it happens off screen. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Carmel is really saving EE at present. Nice to see Ann Mitchell again. The Christmas switch on with the Beales and the Carters was pretty naff and Elaine is getting on my nerves.
When you think about it there are an inordinate amount of unpleasant people in Eastenders. Dean of course, with Shirley and Buster and also Denise, who believes Dean about the rape and has been unpleasant to Linda about it. There is also Gavin of course and Vincent. Vincent's mum doesn't appear to be a saint either. Ronnie, though she's slightly unhinged as well, so perhaps she has an excuse. Then we have Stacey and Kush, with what they've done to Shabs. Babe and Cora have their back stories still hanging over them while Ben and Abi are hardly a lovely couple what with Ben lying to Abi about his sexuality and Abi dobbing her dad in it. Talking of which there are also Ian, Jane, Phil, Sharon and Kathy as well as several off scene characters all happy to let Max rot in jail for a murder they know he didn't commit. Denny, well, he has been in the past, not sure about now. And finally, there is the Devil child himself, Bobby.
It's a good job we have salt of the earth, Mick Carter, to redeem Albert Square! Not to mention...Winston!
and even Dot's been to prison!
I agree but think it applies to all soaps toQuote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
some extent.
Soaps have always had "villians" but they
stood out , viewers enjoyed their performance
but knew they were" bad'
Now its more general but not so well written
or acted. So there is a danger some will think
Its a norm!
We wouldnt want soap characters to be saints
-it would be unrealistic and boring but there
are good and interesting people in real life.
Nice to have a few of those!
I think my Pollyanna moment is passing off
now:)
mick should have put ian up the tree in a tutu