Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

I still don't believe for one minute that Mick would have a relationship with anyone who believes Linda lied about the rape - let alone someone who harassed and bullied her for months and is still supporting her rapist. If he's willing to forgive the totally unrepentant Shirley (and now Buster too), it sends the message that he accepts their attitude to Linda and their vile behaviour. :wall:

Also, it seems to have been conveniently forgotten that both Shirley and Buster have had some serious doubts about Dean's innocence... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...sed-630530.gif

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Originally Posted by Rear window

So where were they?

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I'm guessing Janet was in bed, but I did wonder where Les was. Perhaps reading her a story, or alternatively in the bathroom?

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Originally Posted by sarah c

except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?

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Yes well i can't really argue with that. Getting Billy involved was stupid, Ronnie should have known better. I wouldn't call Dean smart, more sly, and he was certainly on to Ronnie pretty quick when he sussed she was recording him. At this point Ronnie will do anything to get rid of Dean, I suspect.

did dean remember raping linda when he was getting frisky and hurt roxy, lightbulb moment for him and off to vic to see mick

new william looks older than janet

roxy needs to stop having controlling people in her life

For God's sake, Roxy!:angry:

Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done

Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done

Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man

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They have filmed those scenes a couple of months ago so recent events in Paris would not have been a deciding factor, I agree with you, it was very well done!!

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done

Roxy is an idiot who needs to wise up for herself, put herself and Amy first, she don't need a man

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They have filmed those scenes a couple of months ago so recent events in Paris would not have been a deciding factor, I agree with you, it was very well done!!

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Originally Posted by lizann

did dean remember raping linda when he was getting frisky and hurt roxy

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I'd call that getting domineering not getting frisky.

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Was Tamwar and Nancy's talk on his religion added in light of Paris attacks or already filmed before, it nicely done

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It was a lovely scene, but it was filmed months ago. It was just a serendipitous coincidence.

Was calm none drunk Phil babysitting Amy and Matthew :p

ah bloody hell mick, dean raped your wife

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Originally Posted by lizann

ah bloody hell mick, dean raped your wife

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Yes, it's just getting [very rude word] ridiculous now!:angry:

I feel like I missed an episode now all Mick's family are fine with Buster and Shirley

Linda is making a lot of effort

Is Ronnie not thinking of her son Matthew, as much as I want Dean gone if she kills him she gets banged up again and what about the baby :angry:

I think she is definitely a bit fruit loops at the moment. Ok, a lot. :)

I used to think Shirley was a very good character, even though she could be hateful. However, I completely despise her now and can't imagine ever liking her again.

Mick's been big enough (read disloyal enough) to let her back into his life, and she immediately starts trying to guilt him into making peace with his wife's rapist!!!!! As usual, everything's about her and her feelings. Words fail... :wall:

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

I feel like I missed an episode now all Mick's family are fine with Buster and Shirley

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Yep. I feel like those scenes took place in a parallel universe where Linda didn't get raped by their son and they didn't spend months harassing her about it.

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Originally Posted by Rear window

I think she is definitely a bit fruit loops at the moment. Ok, a lot. :)

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Ronnie's lost the plot big time. If she's so intent on killing Dean, why warn him about the spiked drink after he's only taken a couple of sips? That couldn't possibly be enough to knock him out any time soon. :searchme:

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

I used to think Shirley was a very good character, even though she could be hateful. However, I completely despise her now and can't imagine ever liking her again.

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She still doesn't want to admit that Dean had anything to do with what happened to Linda. Until she gets over that delusion and finally admits the truth, she can't truly make up with Mick. I can understand why she doesn't want to admit it, as what mother would want to willingly admit that their own son was a rapist.. But this has gone far enough!

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

IRonnie's lost the plot big time. If she's so intent on killing Dean, why warn him about the spiked drink after he's only taken a couple of sips? That couldn't possibly be enough to knock him out any time soon.

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Oh, Ronnie lost it long before all this stuff with Dean happened. She's totally flipped.

i get mick wants shirl back in his life but this is bloody (add in more curse words) ridiculous

Assuming Mick isn't playing the " double agent " to sort Dean out ,EE have destroyed one of the best characters on the show. Linda just seems to sit there and soak up what Mick is doing. Shirley goes with Mick to help him select his wedding suit ,why ? I don't get why Mick is going over the top sucking up to Shirley given the rape circumstances, Shirley continues to stick up for her depraved excuse of a son Dean . Mick's duty must be to support his future wife and family even at the cost of turning his back on his mother ,who if she has any compassion for Mick and Linda would have to understand or lump it .
I really hope that Mick has a plan of action for Dean and that Linda is in on it...:(:angry:

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Originally Posted by Glen1

Assuming Mick isn't playing the " double agent " to sort Dean out ,EE have destroyed one of the best characters on the show. Linda just seems to sit there and soak up what Mick is doing. Shirley goes with Mick to help him select his wedding suit ,why ? I don't get why Mick is going over the top sucking up to Shirley given the rape circumstances, Shirley continues to stick up for her depraved excuse of a son Dean . Mick's duty must be to support his future wife and family even at the cost of turning his back on his mother ,who if she has any compassion for Mick and Linda would have to understand or lump it .
I really hope that Mick has a plan of action for Dean and that Linda is in on it...:(:angry:

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I wish that were true, Glen, but I doubt the writers are that clever. No, Mick is just missing his mummy and is willing to cause Linda a lot of pain to have her back in his life. As you say, Mick's character has been destroyed in the process.

One of the best things about Mick was his unwavering support and defence of Linda, and that's suddenly gone. He (and the rest of the family) sat and ignored Linda's extreme discomfort at having Shirley and Buster at Lee's birthday party. This is the one and only time I'd say he should ignore what Linda says because she's obviously putting her feelings last. That's not something Mick should accept for a moment!

Even when Shirley said Dean isn't all bad, Mick's denial was half-hearted! Why didn't he tell her in no uncertain terms he'd never go near Dean again? :angry:

I understand that Shirley doesn't believe her own son to be capable of rape. However, she knows Mick believes it implicitly and yet she's still pushing him to make it up with Dean. Even if she were correct that Linda's lying about the rape to cover up a sleazy fling (and therefore apparently deserves everything she gets), she's been absolutely vile towards Mick and his children. She also never misses the opportunity to have a dig at Linda.

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Hold on though...I've just seen the light!!! The rape storyline has never been about Linda, it's always been about Shirley having to choose sides between her two warring sons. Nothing else matters. It all makes sense now... :wall:

re Dazzles#9419

Ive read your post above and it does all
seem to make sense!

Its no problem to me to believe anything
about Shirley-Ive never liked her for even
a nano second.
It took me a little while to get used to Mick
but I do.like him.and found him a believable
character til very recently.

Hopefully he does have a "masterplan" -but
that seems unlikely.!

The only faint & forlorn hope is that he is
suffering a form of breakdown ?
Both he and Linda have been under extreme
stress for a long while. No external support
and a lot of unkindness and criticism.

I wonder if it has all "caught up" with him
and hes switched off and gone into a form
of regression re his mother & childhood.
Perhaps the shock of whatever happens at the
Lake brings him out of it! I hope so - as Glen
says a good character ruined otherwise.!

Sorry if above all rubbish -but people do
behave strangely after long term.pressure
and just hope Mick.returns to his usual.
self - somehow!

p.s. providing support to someone who
has suffered a traumatic event can put
strain on those who provide support.

I found the way Shirley was suddenly made
a central.character very contrived !
No criticism of the actress but I dont think
the character was developed in a believable
way to carry that successfully"

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

Sorry if above all rubbish -but people do
behave strangely after long term.pressure
and just hope Mick.returns to his usual.
self - somehow!

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What you've written isn't rubbish at all - it's very well thought out.

If this were real life, I'd agree that Mick could be crumbling under the stress. However, I fear the current EE team don't think about it as deeply as you have and are quite happy to change characterisations for no other reason than to fit the story they want to tell.

well mick after all that your mum chooses dean, shirl don't deserve mick and his family nor does buster

So no reaction from Lee when Buster biffed his dad for sticking up for his mum?

Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow

Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:

At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:

I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap::

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Same here ,perked me up a treat. If ever Mick goes round to Shirley and Buster to apologise and to make sure they are still going to the wedding, as Parkerman once said my boot is heading through the TV screen.

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Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow

Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:

At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:

I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:

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The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.! I wondered if the actress had
asked for a break? But it still seems an extreme
way to.deal with it -if so!

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Yet again, it's all about poor hard-done-by Shirley's pain at having to choose between her two sons. Boo hoo...not. :thumbsdow

Notice Linda barely got a look in again... :wall:

At least Mick stated in no uncertain terms he'd like to see Dean six feet under. That cheered me up a bit! :clap:

I hope the Ronnie/Dean storyline is almost over. I wouldn't mind if I felt she was really a threat to him, but it's just been one repetitive scene after another of the smug rapist lording it over her at her most vulnerable. Sickening. :angry:

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The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.! I wondered if the actress had
asked for a break? But it still seems an extreme
way to.deal with it -if so!

I am finding it hard to continue watching until Dean get his comeuppance and this Roxy/Ronnie twisted sister saga will end

I liked hearing more about Fatboy's life, him telling Dr. Vincent, will he unite him and his mother

Spoiler:

leading to his exit

Is Cora staying in the shed of the allotments by the park or in the community centre, she only pops up every once and a while like a ghost :p

Mick needs to concentrate on his own family especially Linda, I don't think Shirley and Buster can be redeemed now to him or them

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I liked hearing more about Fatboy's life, him telling Dr. Vincent, will he unite him and his mother

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I hope not. Fatboy's mother sounds like she was a right b**ch!

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

I hope not. Fatboy's mother sounds like she was a right b**ch!

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She could have changed

I thought Friday's episode was the best one we've seen for a while. Mick and Linda are back on track - thank goodness - and I'm pleased that Mick doesn't seem too devastated about his latest rift with Shirley.

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I am finding it hard to continue watching until Dean get his comeuppance and this Roxy/Ronnie twisted sister saga will end

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I agree about Dean, and also about Ronnie as she's been written recently, but I thought the Ronnie/Roxy fight scenes in Friday's episode were excellent. They really dug into their backstories and - for once - the characterisations were spot on. I felt for both sisters in those scenes.

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The way she is being written at the moment
is very strange.!

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I was puzzled too, but I now realise that Roxy's relationship with Dean has brought up lots of buried emotions about Archie and that she hasn't been coping with it. She seemed to get her groove back on Friday (for now at least). If Ronnie's going to be written as a villain, I hate seeing her so ineffectual.

When are we going too see more of Cora's story? DTC promised her homelessness would be explored in an interview a while back. :hmm:

are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie

aunt sal had some good one liners

are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie

aunt sal had some good one liners

I thought it was Cora would gave Denise's address to the police

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Originally Posted by lizann

are the cops connected to vincent who took Ronnie

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I thought it might be Carl's family, but you're right it's more likely to be connected to Vincent. Maybe it's both?

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I thought it was Cora would gave Denise's address to the police

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I think you're probably correct.

OK. So who saw that coming then?

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OK. So who saw that coming then?

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Ha ha...definitely not me! :D

Vincent just got interesting if Ronnie's correct. Is he long-term undercover to infiltrate a crime ring/gang? Is he good or bad? He's obviously capable of bending the rules but that didn't necessarily make him outright dirty. Is he a mole for the police or the criminals (I'm thinking of the brilliant film The Departed)? Could he just be an informer? The possibilities are endless at this point (especially if EE have no intention of making his situation remotely realistic). I wonder if it has something to do with Gavin and his gang? :searchme:

On another Vincent note: I hate hate HATE the decor of the Hubbard house. Is dark, oppressive grey combined with dull vomit green on trend or something? :eek:

Phil plays such a good drunk! I hated smug Shirley gloating over him and Sharon (although I bet a certain obsessive Phil/Shirley fan took that as sexual tension between the former couple... :D)

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OK. So who saw that coming then?

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What happened? Missed the episode http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...sad-438858.gif

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Originally Posted by parkerman

OK. So who saw that coming then?

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What happened? Missed the episode http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...sad-438858.gif

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

On another Vincent note: I hate hate HATE the decor of the Hubbard house. Is dark, oppressive grey combined with dull vomit green on trend or something? :eek: :D)

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I don't like Mrs Hubbard either. She's a right stirrer with (Pearl's mum) putting ideas in her head about splitting up the B&B.

I don't see how he can be mixed up in some dodgy undercover thing cos his mum/wife/Donna are all around. Don't they go off undercover and be someone new?