Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

You have hit on the one thing that concerns me, ss. My mother had glaucoma, which is hereditary. Since the age of 40 I have been entitled to an annual free eye test to check that I haven't developed it as well. Fortunately, so far, I haven't. But I have often thought about what if I do get the condition. It would be at that point I think that I really should say something. But, if not, I think the chances of him finding out are pretty much zero.

He also has two children, which brings in another whole new dimension of course.........

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Originally Posted by lizann

stacey was sleeping with kush and martin around same time, is she sure :p

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I think she slept with Kush a while before Martin. She seems pretty sure.

stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide

did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?

stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide

did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?

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Originally Posted by lizann

stacey was selfish, she was hoping kush would dump shabham and choose her, sleeping with her best mate's fella to start with was wrong, she never learns and now a child is involved, martin deserves the truth let him decide

did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?

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I did think that she had had a one night stand
with Martin before but quite near the time with Kush.
But as I was missing some episodes then - thought
Id got it wrong and still not sure??

With the probs with her meds perhaps her
memory isnt too reliable ??

Overall probably more likely the baby is Kushs
The scans are reliable to wiithin a couple of days
-Ive been told?? But if she had sex with both
close quite close together.!!
I expect we will find out soon but if the baby is
Kushs might might that not be apparent to
Martin?

kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on

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Originally Posted by lizann

kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on

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Yes - thats what I meant.
But even if Kush is father - baby may not
have the same skin tone.
Each baby inherits a selection of genes
from both parents which is why siblings
can look very different and may inherit
( or not)the gene that causes a particular health
condition.

I hope when we know -for sure-(.if thats possible
in a soap) who the father is-I hope the story makes
sense!!

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Originally Posted by parkerman

You have hit on the one thing that concerns me, ss. My mother had glaucoma, which is hereditary. Since the age of 40 I have been entitled to an annual free eye test to check that I haven't developed it as well. Fortunately, so far, I haven't. But I have often thought about what if I do get the condition. It would be at that point I think that I really should say something. But, if not, I think the chances of him finding out are pretty much zero.

He also has two children, which brings in another whole new dimension of course.........

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I'm sorry to hear that. But if that's the case then I really think you should say something. Maybe not about who his real dad is, if you don't want to, but definitely something about the glaucoma. You could always say to him that his parents told you once that one of their parents had it, so there's a chance he could catch it, too. In the end, his health and the health of his kids could be at stake. If you say or do nothing, and he or they don't have regular check-ups and ends up catching it, it would be a whole lot worse.

I think part of the reason why Stacey and Kush were judged harshly by many of us is due to frustration - because we know in a soap the secret will come out sooner or later and cause heartbreak for Martin and Shabnam. In real life, if only one or two people (who are determined to stay quiet) know, it's much more unlikely to ever come out and hurt the other people involved.

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Originally Posted by lizann

did stacey sleep with martin once off first and then kush and then start a relationship with martin so back him?

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For the following post, I looked through all the spoilers for the period to try to work out when Stacey probably slept with Kush and when she first slept with Martin. The two episodes I link to in the post are the likely dates (if you read the full episode descriptions), although I could have missed something of course.

I thought at the time that the dates are credible because they're almost exactly month apart and seemed deliberately chosen so that Stacey could be sure about the baby's paternity.

http://www.soapboards.co.uk/forums/s...749#post832749

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

With the probs with her meds perhaps her
memory isnt too reliable ??

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Stacey didn't come off her meds until after she found out she was pregnant. I think she was likely already well aware that Kush was the father by that time.

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Originally Posted by lizann

kush is dark skinned so if baby is too even foolish martin may cope on

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As you can see from the picture below, Kush's skin is barely darker than Stacey's, so I think she's got good reason to think she can probably pass the baby off as Martin's based on skin colour. She can't be 100% certain of course, and facially Kush looks completely different to Martin...

http://i1.cdnds.net/15/19/618x416/so...ers-5071-1.jpg

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I find this story a difficult one for me personally as I went through something similar in my younger days. I don't really want to go into it all here and it wasn't quite the same situation but all I can say is I have every sympathy with Stacey and Kush. It is a hard and tough decision. I've kept the secret of a baby's paternity secret for over 40 years now. His real mother and supposed father are both dead now. I still have the urge every now and then to tell him the truth but I think what's the point. He's grown up thinking his "father" was his real father, what good would it do now to tell him he wasn't and that someone who is almost a complete stranger is. What would it do to him?

Sorry, I'm sure you don't want to hear about my problems, but it's just that I know that none of this is easy and the amount of agonising that goes on. I think it is wrong to dismiss Stacey and/or Kush as being selfish. In fact, from my experience, I think they are the opposite.

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Thanks for sharing Parkerman

As a child of a stepfather, my mam and dad were honest with me from an early age about my real father but I choose not to contact him as I am happy with my parents but I was glad it was my decision and they were honest with me, it brought me closer to them in some ways

I hate that with Kush being Stacey's baby's real father, Kathy back from the dead and Gavin as Sharon's dad there is no surprises anymore in the show, so predictable and spoilered by cast and producer interviews and online and social media speculation etc.,

Stacey's character goes back to being the homewrecker again not learnt a lesson after Max as I sure Shabham will discover the truth eventually, Carmel and Stacey are close so she could discover first

Mas said Zainab was sick so couldn't attend the wedding any reason why Syed missed it?

I do like Kush and Shabham together and I do believe they truly love each other

I enjoyed the wedding because it was nice to have the customs explained without being patronising

why did elaine say to nancy about tamwar that was racist, i didn't hear

I am not liking Elaine this time around

What Mas said about Zainab washing her hands of their family made no sense

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Originally Posted by lizann

why did elaine say to nancy about tamwar that was racist, i didn't hear

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I can't remember exactly, but it was something derogatory about "strange" Muslim weddings. She also referred to Muslims in a very deliberate manner as "them". It was all very ignorant. Plus she didn't give a toss that she'd hurt Tamwar! :angry:

Couple that with her downright nastiness to Whitney (which I can't fathom), and Elaine appears to have had a sudden personality transplant. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...sed-140297.gif

I'm team Babe all the way! :cheer:

Though of course Islam is not a race, so being derogatory to Muslims is not actually racist.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Though of course Islam is not a race, so being derogatory to Muslims is not actually racist.

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is it Faith-ist ?

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Originally Posted by sarah c

is it Faith-ist ?

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There are some words which mean intolerant
of religion(s) in general*.which is different to not
having a religious belief your self. Eg atheist or
agnostic.
There is confusion between race and religion
in other cases. Most people would use Anti-
Semiitic as being against Jews wheras Semite
covers a lot of Middle Eastern races inc Assryians
Arabs and many other. The name for Jewish
religion is Judaism.

We had some Diversity Awareness at work-
which obviously covered more than Race&
Religion . The more you know the more pitfalls
you become aware of. Most people do try to
avoid causing offence - but obviously not in
EE in this instance!

There is the word Islamaphobia - which might
be appropriate!

* religiophobic is such a word- very seldom
used.

Tamwar called Elaine xenophobic.

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Tamwar called Elaine xenophobic.

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I didn't know what xenophobic meant to looked up and it is having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries

£35 for a blow dry, ronnie's hair looked the same

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

I can't remember exactly, but it was something derogatory about \\\"strange\\\" Muslim weddings. She also referred to Muslims in a very deliberate manner as \\\"them\\\". It was all very ignorant. Plus she didn't give a toss that she'd hurt Tamwar! :angry:

Couple that with her downright nastiness to Whitney (which I can't fathom), and Elaine appears to have had a sudden personality transplant. http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...sed-140297.gif

I'm team Babe all the way! :cheer:

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Can't fathom Elaine's nastiness, either. She's been horrible to Whitney for what seems to be no reason. Her comments about Muslims were awful but some people are just ignorant about things like that and judge without understanding it properly.

Team Babe also.

elaine still holds a grudge over her toyboy me thinks

the cat up the tree was funny

I liked Mick and Shirley's scenes in the park with Carmel and her cat

It seems Mas now is smitten Carmel, he should be honest with her

Ronnie is only pushing Roxy more to Dean with her behaviour and does Bladez or the street outside have any CCTV

Billy wants Honey back, when did he decide this?

Elaine this time around he is very nasty to everyone

The scenes with Mick Shirley and Carmel were funny and made me laugh. First time Ive liked Shirley in a while.

I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Billy wants Honey back, when did he decide this?

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I thought he'd always wanted her back - he never wanted her to go in the first place did he?

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.

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No contest. Dean is an obnoxious self-centred rapist who shouldn't be allowed to walk the streets.

Yes he should have gone to jail for raping Linda. Ronnie has a lot of Archie's personality in her and tho I don't like her most of the the time she's often interesting to watch.

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

I cant decide who I dislike more, Dean or Ronnie.

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Even just considering their current treatment of Roxy: they both want to control her, but Dean's motives are selfish and spiteful, whereas at least Ronnie believes she's acting in Roxy's best interest. The proposal just to get one over on Ronnie was despicable. :angry:

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

Ronnie has a lot of Archie's personality in her and tho I don't like her most of the the time she's often interesting to watch.

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I usually agree, but I think she's being written as stupid in her current battle of wills with Dean. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to keep outmanoeuvring her.

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Even just considering their current treatment of Roxy: they both want to control her, but Dean's motives are selfish and spiteful, whereas at least Ronnie believes she's acting in Roxy's best interest. The proposal just to get one over on Ronnie was despicable. :angry:



I usually agree, but I think she's being written as stupid in her current battle of wills with Dean. I just don't believe he has the intelligence to keep outmanoeuvring her.

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Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.

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She's certainly being shown up as foolish, but maybe she's luring him into a sense of false superiority. And I'd believe it myself if she hadn't got angry and smashed the bar up a bit.

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.

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She's certainly being shown up as foolish, but maybe she's luring him into a sense of false superiority. And I'd believe it myself if she hadn't got angry and smashed the bar up a bit.

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Originally Posted by LollyCarpenter

Absolutely not. Ronnie is way too intelligent and cunning to ever be outsmarted by Dean.

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except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?

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Originally Posted by sarah c

except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?

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Yes that was almost doomed to failure wasn't it.

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Originally Posted by sarah c

except getting Billy to help her wasnt the brightest move maybe?

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Yes that was almost doomed to failure wasn't it.

was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods

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Originally Posted by lizann

was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods

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yes I believe he was....

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Originally Posted by lizann

was les babysitting janet in flat of stolen goods

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yes I believe he was....

surely dumping the 'Blades' gear in the canal would have been better?

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Originally Posted by sarah c

yes I believe he was....

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So where were they?

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Originally Posted by sarah c

yes I believe he was....

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So where were they?

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Originally Posted by Rear window

So where were they?

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in Billy's flat