What i cannot understand is Todd barging in on the funeral to have a go at a man who is burying his wife. Way out of order. It was not an emergency that moment. Plus David did not ask Todd to lie at any stage.
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What i cannot understand is Todd barging in on the funeral to have a go at a man who is burying his wife. Way out of order. It was not an emergency that moment. Plus David did not ask Todd to lie at any stage.
I think learning of Sarah's innocent and Jason's accident which he feels guilty for him leaving for labeling Tony the killer he just wanted to confront David not thinking of David and his kids and the timing as in showing up at Kylie's funeralQuote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
He lied to Todd though by allowing the latter to believe Sarah murdered Callum when he questioned him about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
I can understand Todd being very angry with David because he blamed him for Jason's accident, but I do agree with you he would have waited until after the funeral to confront him. For one thing he's too clever to draw unneeded attention to the web of lies in which he's involved himself and which could send him to prison.
I agree, but Todd is very hot headed and stubborn and he doesn't let anything get in his way. He basically didn't think it through. Right then and there he was upset about Jason, and felt guilty for being indirectly responsible for his accident, and the whole Sarah thing too, so when he heard who really did it he got so angry that he just couldn't let it be. I'm not excusing his behavior btw, it was wrong. But at the same time, considering everything and considering how Todd is, I understand why he behaved the way that he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
Brilliant scenes between Todd and Sarah tonight.
Poor David's losing his mind with grief - and who can blame him? :(
I was just gonna say I loved the Todd and Sarah scenes. They are still so important to each other, and I believe they still love each other in some way. I'm happy Sarah actually said out loud that Todd is her best friend that was a lovely scene. Great acting from Bruno Langley and Tina O'Brien too, especially Bruno who cried. It was truly heartbreaking. I almost started crying too. However, if there is one pet peeve I have about it, it's that they barely mentioned Billy. I know it was basically about Callum, and not Billy, but I wanted her to find out another way than to watch Billy caress Todd at the funeral. I was fine with Sean finding out that way but I wanted Sarah to find out by Todd actually saying it to her, like them having a heart to heart and Todd saying he's with Billy and how special Billy is to him. It was just lame that ONE caress at a funeral lead to EVERYONE knowing, ugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I'm not sure anyone else noticed that but Sean since they were standing apart from everyone else and it was quite subtle. I did however wonder how Sarah know about Todd and Billy.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
After Sean witnessed it the whole street knows as news travels fast
I wonder if it's something he'd broadcast though?Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
I agree both Daniel and Bruno are excellent in their roles and both good actors imo. I may get beaten up by Robron fans, but I find Daniel and Bruno's performance far more convincing and realistic than that of Danny Millers and Ryan Hawley's in Emmerdale. You get the impression Danny is rather uncomfortable in the intimate scenes and it shows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Excellent scenes with Todd and Sarah and the end scene with David at the graveside was powerful, only slightly spoilt by his bad boy Damien look at the end.
todd vs. Pat is on
And hopefully tod will win. Poor Sean, he makes me cry. He's always been such a good guy and friend to everyone...
NOT happy with today's two episodes. Who thought it was a good idea to have self pitying Sean be the centre of attention? He was truly insufferable. I know the writers wanted us to feel sorry for him, but it turned me off him even more than ever. Ugh. If he had actually bothered to listen to Todd and hear his side of the story instead of yelling at him and shaming him, then maybe I would have felt different about him. And what's with Todd rejecting Billy in the flower shop?! WTF?! Is this gonna be a thing now? Is he just gonna reject Billy every time he's upset? Why won't Todd let Billy be there for him? Todd was there for Billy. I feel like the writers are determined to make Todd a bad guy, someone nobody can love, not even Eileen. Speaking of.. why didn't Eileen defend Todd? I felt like she was shaming him and she was more on Sean's side? Todd has been terrible to her, I get it. But to get this treatment by his own mother.. WTF?! In this case he did nothing wrong. Todd and Billy never cheated on him, yet she's still on Sean's side? Ok then. Even when Todd does everything right everyone still hates him. Is is weird he turned out the way he did? Ugh. Whatever I'll shut up now. I'm just so incredibly disappointed after so many good weeks they manage to ruin it all in one day smh.
Seriously? Sean is a self obsessed narcissistic freak. Not once did he ask Todd what he felt. He made it all about himself. Self pitying doesn't look good on anyone, let alone Sean. Two whole episodes of Sean feeling sorry for himself was nauseating.Quote:
Originally Posted by mariba
I find it hard to feel sorry for Sean as he can be very annoying
I do think Billy should have stayed away from Eileen's house as Sean lived there until some weeks had past at least for him to try to come to terms of his relationship now with Todd
I liked the scene between Gary and Sarah, they is potential there for them as a future couple
Nick is also annoying trying to get one over on Robert and pursuing Leanne, his brother is grieving for his murdered wife but he is more worried of punishing Robert :angry: I don't want him back with Leanne now
Phelan stirs and Eileen abides, she is so taken in by him but at least Todd isn't
Has King Phelan met his match? I think he may have with Todd. Although I suspect Coronation St will string it out for as long as possible. He is such good vile character, but in a likeable way, you just want Eileen to be robbed blind of that money. :)
And don't get me started on Sean, I probably would have an ounce of sympathy if it wasn't for Anthony Cottons performance.
I'm already thoroughly enjoying their battle of wills. The final scene where Phelan's smug grin turned to a worried frown as soon as he turned his back on Todd made me laugh. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I don't think Phelan's got any chance of driving Todd out and leaving his mother completely at the fiend's mercy.
Eileen is angry with Todd but she chose him over Sean (which is why the latter moved out). I know Todd didn't steal Billy (as Sean keeps repeating), but it's not nice to start a relationship with the ex of a friend - particularly such a recent ex. You know I like the Todd/Billy pairing but it would have been kinder of them to wait a few months before starting seeing each other. I understand people's anger even though I'm on their side.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
Also, Todd has done himself no favours with his past behaviour. It's his own fault that people judge him harshly - and he knows it. It doesn't stop him from currently being my favourite character though.
I really don't understand people's negative views about Sean. Yes, at times he can be annoying (like any of us!), but he's never done anything to hurt anyone and always been friend to anyone who has needed one. All I'm saying is that he doesn't deserve this. And I think he was very good acting his part, I could really feel his pain. What made it worse for him, was probably the fact, that they've always been so close with Todd.. I think his reaction to Eileen not telling him earlier was bit ott but it was needed for him to move out for now so that this battle between Todd and phelan can start.. I do like Todd as well, he's softened slightly since he came back, which makes him more likeable,but he's clever too which I like about him. But just wait and see, Todd will lose interest on billy very soon. He just takes what belongs to someone else for the fun of it.
Totally agree about Sean. I have never understood why people dislike him so much . He is what he is. His acting this week has actually been good and very believable.
I've always liked (read: loved :)) Nick!!! Can't wait that he opens his new bistro!!! ��Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I've always liked (read: loved :)) Nick!!! Can't wait that he opens his new bistro!!! 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
You want to know why people dislike Sean? He spent two episodes feeling sorry for himself. He never asked how Todd might feel. Would have been nice of him if he could consider that this might not have been easy for Todd either. He said many bad things about Todd, which if he hates him so much makes me ask why they were friends in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by LouiseP
But Todd has changed, he's not that guy anymore. Besides, he was never just bad. He has always stood up for and protected the people in his life, the people he loves, whether that's Eileen, Jason, Sarah or Billy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
To Livden :And you are so perfect yourself, that you've never said anything bad to your friends? Ever? He's hurt ffs!!! It's an immediate reaction which is totally understandable. I definitely couldn't have seen him asking Todd how he possibly felt at that time and place!! Maybe it comes later, knowing Sean, the good guy he is, but he has to deal with this first himself. Have you ever been hurt or cheated /dumped by anyone to actually know how it feels?
But when we are heartbroken we surely don't think about other people at that time. He was hurting and we all lash out, blame and hurt the people we love and yes, we do feel sorry for ourselves. It is human nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
As the song goes " We always hurt the one we love…….."
I did feel for him.
It may make Sean think as to why he keeps losing his partners and take a look at himself. He needs to stop acting like a cross between an old woman and a baby. As Phelan said, "stop wallowing in your own self pity and grow up".
Whew! Some strong feelings about Sean here this Saturday morning.
I personally am not a fan because I think Antony Cotton is a poor actor, but there are many such currently starring in Corrie so I wouldn't single him out. In my view Kate Oates would do well to axe several long running characters of which Sean is just one (others being Fiz, Chesney, Tyrone, Kirk, Sinead, Dev, Anna, Tracy (although that'll never happen!) and others).
I agree Sean has every right to be angry and upset at the moment though. Everyone who's ever lost someone with whom they're deeply in love will recognise how he's feeling. Billy in particular should have been more sensitive about the whole thing.
It wasn't that long ago that he coldly and very deliberately hurt precisely the people he loves (Eileen and Jason)! They've forgiven him but it's not so easy to forget. Besides, he hasn't completely changed. I hope he wouldn't deliberately hurt his family again but he's still a bit of a bad 'un (and even warned Billy about it).Quote:
Originally Posted by livden
I like him just how he is at the moment personally: capable of great kindness but also with a dark edge. He's a very interesting character with a lot of depth - but he's no saint.
Phelan was being deliberately cruel when he said that because he wanted rid of Sean. There was a grain of truth to it so it made me laugh, but it was designed to exacerbate the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snagglepus
I laughed when Phelan referred to Jason as " our Jason"
I thought he looked rather sinister and determined not to let Todd stand in his way rather than worried :hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
He did until the very final shot when he was standing over the sink with his face hidden from Todd. Then for a split second there was a look of what I took to be concern that he might finally have met his match.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
That is the shot I am talking about .. guess we interpret it differently :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Maybe it was a bit of both emotions. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
thought he looked happy as sean out and eileen off to see jason, phelan thinks with todd's past no one will believe him so may not think him a highly opponentQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I have'nt watched the last two episodes but it must be awful for Sean. I actually like his character. Apart from him i agree with Dazzle's list of characters that need to go.
He has been part of Eileens family for a while so it will feel like betrayal.
A lot of people get dumped in this dating game and it does not mean there is something wrong with them. The younger people do not put up with things like the older generation have done in the past or want a life of compromise.
Noone on coronation street has a long lasting relationship and if they do there are a lot of affairs in between so Sean is not the only one who keeps losing partners.
I have'nt watched the last two episodes but it must be awful for Sean. I actually like his character. Apart from him i agree with Dazzle's list of characters that need to go.
He has been part of Eileens family for a while so it will feel like betrayal.
A lot of people get dumped in this dating game and it does not mean there is something wrong with them. The younger people do not put up with things like the older generation have done in the past or want a life of compromise.
Noone on coronation street has a long lasting relationship and if they do there are a lot of affairs in between so Sean is not the only one who keeps losing partners.
And that applies to all soaps .. I guess scriptwriters/producers think that is where the drama is ... in a few more years maybe it will be drama when a couple stays together without cheating on each other ....:searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
Sorry, but I don't feel sorry for him at all. He is selfish and his self pity is disgusting. Not once did he stop and think how this might not be easy for Todd either. It's all me me me with him. Always the need to be the centre of attention. He lashed out on Todd saying the most vile things I've ever heard. "He enjoys hurting people". I can't believe Todd kept his cool, but hats off to him. If I were Todd I would have slapped Sean. He would have deserved it. Todd did nothing wrong, yet he has EVERYONE hating on him, everyone takes Sean's side. It's really unfair. I feel really bad for Todd. He did everything right, even took back his love confession to Billy because he didn't want to hurt Sean, yet after all of this he STILL gets sh** thrown in his face.Quote:
Originally Posted by swmc66
And in your books - Todd can't do no wrong eh? ��
Sean was right saying to Todd that he always hurts people. Hopefully todd's ' people hurting skills ' are coming to good use for a change with phelan!! �� Ps.someone really hates Sean!!! But that's ok too, that's your opinion only Livden ��
And in your books - Todd can't do no wrong eh? 😛
Sean was right saying to Todd that he always hurts people. Hopefully todd's ' people hurting skills ' are coming to good use for a change with phelan!! 😉 Ps.someone really hates Sean!!! But that's ok too, that's your opinion only Livden 😊
Seans allowed to feel sorry for himself right now. It hurts after a relationship ends and Billy went back to him and has hurt him twice.
I like Todd Sean and Billy but right is right and wrong is wrong!