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20-10-2015, 00:33
Dazzle

Awww...I'm a bit heartbroken for Les at the moment. No doubt he's been dreading Pam's disgust their whole marriage. :(

I understand it would be a huge shock to find your partner of decades has kept such a pivotal part of themselves a secret (and worse, shared it with another woman). I hope she comes to terms with it and forgives him - for Christine, if not for Claudette. Apparently, Roger Sloman (Les) has said on Twitter

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that he's been practising with make up etc, so we're going to see Christine. I hope those scenes are done sensitively too, unlike the Y-fronts spectacle! It'd be good to see the revelation's effect on them and their marriage explored in depth.

The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it's not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment. :searchme:

At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought. :wall:
20-10-2015, 01:13
lizann

martin to kathy death suits you :p
20-10-2015, 09:07
Rear window

I wanted Pam to say that she wants to meet Christine. If she doesn't try to understand Les and Christine then their marriage is doomed. Maybe she will come round to the idea - perhap Dot has a word with her.
I would have wanted him to stop sharing his secret with Claudette. The sense of betrayal must be huge with both Les and Claudette having colluded to keep this quiet.

And I loved Martin's comment to Kathy.

Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?
20-10-2015, 09:07
Rear window

dup
20-10-2015, 10:55
tammyy2j

Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max :angry:

Kathy's storyline is getting worse as it goes on
20-10-2015, 11:14
maidmarian

The Kathy scenes again fell flat for me, especially after such poignant ones between Pam and Les. I can't quite understand why it'not working for me because I was looking forward to her return. Is it the lack of fireworks (Dot and Martin's reaction were extremely low key), is it Kathy behaving so uncharacteristically selfishly? I know she's behaving that way because of Gavin's manipulations, but it's just not working for me at the moment. :searchme:

At least Dot's words gave Kathy pause for thought. :wall:[/QUOTE]

I.agree -I think its because Kathy is very different from
how we remember her and tho we know Gavin is
mentally abusing her -its not really visible yet.
The viewers are being expected to make too many
adjustments and fill.in gaps.

Probably trying to have too many strands to story
without developing them in.enough detail individually!
(imo)!
20-10-2015, 12:18
storyseeker1

I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.
21-10-2015, 16:59
Ruffed_lemur

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

I had 2 reactions to Pam's reaction to Les's secret. On the one hand I hated her for the way she said he disgusted her! On the other hand, though, I understand it all must be a terrible shock finding that out about him after so many years, and of course learning that her best friend knew about it all before her. She'll no doubt need time to process all this.

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.

I agree about Paul being told. Maybe he could help Pam understand?
21-10-2015, 19:51
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by Rear window

Have I missed what they've told Bobby? Does he think the dead come back to life now and that's why he'll think it's ok if he hurts someone?

It was explained to him although I can't remember precisely what was said. I'm certain he doesn't think Kathy's come back to life.

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

Dot can forgive Ben for killing Heather but not innocent Max :angry:

I think Dot forgives Ben because Heather's death was an accident. Presumably Max is thought to have killed Lucy in cold blood since he got twenty years. Also Ben was very young at the time.

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

I don't know why she feels Paul shouldn't know, as he is gay and will have most likely gone through the whole feeling ashamed and turmoil thing himself, so he would have an idea at least what Les is going through. Plus, it might help build bridges, since he still believes Les was having an affair with Claudette.

I'm sure she'll tell Paul when she's had a chance to calm down. We've only seen her in shock so far. As Claudette pointed out, Pam will have had to have developed an open mind as a social worker so I don't think the cross-dressing itself will cause long term problems. It's the lies and betrayal that will take time to get over.
22-10-2015, 21:23
tammyy2j

Ian is angry Kathy was going to take his money
23-10-2015, 01:58
storyseeker1

Poor Kathy. That Gavin has really done a number on her head. She doesn't know right from wrong anymore. I can understand why Ian would throw her out after her admission, though I think he might have been a little more understanding himself. After all, she did come clean instead of going through with the plan. If she really was intent, she could have kept quiet and he'd never know until it was too late.

At least Pam is now taking the next step to understanding Les.
23-10-2015, 08:43
Rear window

When Ian told Kathy it did tick the box for everyone knowing now. So is she coming clean to the police or snitching Ian and Bobby up? :-) She could probably tell the police too and they'd not care still!

I am pleased Pam has asked to meet Christine.
23-10-2015, 08:43
Rear window

dup.
23-10-2015, 10:09
lizann

kathy should tell gavin about bobby, he can blackmail the beales

ronnie didn't go vincent about dean he is not her "cleaner" or did his mammy wake her up
23-10-2015, 10:43
parkerman

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Originally Posted by Rear window

When Ian told Kathy it did tick the box for everyone knowing now. So is she coming clean to the police or snitching Ian and Bobby up? :-) She could probably tell the police too and they'd not care still!

I can't imagine Kathy would tell the police about Bobby; she loves her boys too much.....
23-10-2015, 20:19
Perdita

"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D
23-10-2015, 20:49
Rear window

Were those legs shaved..?

S was that the house that Sharon went to?
23-10-2015, 20:49
Rear window

Were those legs shaved..?

S was that the house that Sharon went to?
23-10-2015, 20:51
lizann

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Originally Posted by Perdita

"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D

and kate garraway

gavin house looks like house sharon visited for her father
23-10-2015, 20:51
lizann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Perdita

"Christine" reminds me of Audrey Roberts :D

and kate garraway

gavin house looks like house sharon visited for her father
24-10-2015, 00:48
Dazzle

I really enjoyed Friday's episode, especially the Christine scenes. I think the EE team really nailed those scenes - both the writing and the acting. I was really nervous when Pam was waiting for Christine and I was dreading Paul walking in, so you can tell I'm invested in the storyline. I thought for a minute that Pam was going to accept Christine and I'm gutted she didn't. I suppose it would have been too easy that way... :(

The Kathy scenes were an improvement too. Hopefully the storyline will continue to get better. Perhaps it was Marsden's involvement that lifted things. :D

Gavin's sister's house looks suspiciously similar to Sharon's father's. The shots of the two houses were completely different so it's impossible to be 100% sure, but, from the following pictures I've dug up, the railings outside (and across the road) look the same.

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https://search.disconnect.me/image?l...dEcHVWVzZMdw==

https://search.disconnect.me/image?l...hnRUNKTFdGcW4=

https://search.disconnect.me/image?l...xVcHEzYV9EemQ=

Rumour has it that Gavin's sister is

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Margaret, the solicitor Sharon consulted about finding her biological father. Am I correct in thinking Sharon went to her because she knew Den? If that's true, it'd make sense for her to be the sister since Den knew Gavin. She also appeared to know more than she was saying.
24-10-2015, 01:27
storyseeker1

That would make a lot of sense. If Gavin wanted to hide or get rid of Sharon as a baby for some reason, then the fact his sister was a lawyer would help. She could deal with all the legal side of things, and do it without raising suspicion.

Then again, I imagine EE would also use the same set more than once, as it must be hard finding new scenes.

Yeah, I felt the same watching Les and Pam, too. I was rooting for Pam to make up with Les, but I also knew it was more realistic for her not to. After all, it is a tremendous lot for her to deal with. You can hardly blame her. Hopefully, when she's had some time to calm down and think things through, she'll go talk with Les again.
24-10-2015, 10:17
Rear window

Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...
24-10-2015, 21:41
Ruffed_lemur

The Christine scenes were brilliant! Such good acting, and a very interesting storyline. Hope Pam can accept Les and Christine.
25-10-2015, 09:37
sarah c

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Originally Posted by storyseeker1

That would make a lot of sense. If Gavin wanted to hide or get rid of Sharon as a baby for some reason, then the fact his sister was a lawyer would help. She could deal with all the legal side of things, and do it without raising suspicion.

Then again, I imagine EE would also use the same set more than once, as it must be hard finding new scenes.

Yeah, I felt the same watching Les and Pam, too. I was rooting for Pam to make up with Les, but I also knew it was more realistic for her not to. After all, it is a tremendous lot for her to deal with. You can hardly blame her. Hopefully, when she's had some time to calm down and think things through, she'll go talk with Les again.

as a a Londoner you know roughly what area of London you are in by the buildings, so those photos say to me North London, maybe NW? so could well be the same house
25-10-2015, 09:54
parkerman

The house Sharon went to was in Notting Hill - West London.
25-10-2015, 11:11
lizann

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Originally Posted by Rear window

Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...

yes thought so too, but was then free to run in house to see blood
25-10-2015, 11:11
lizann

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Originally Posted by Rear window

Was she handcuffed outside? Hands def behind her back but then when she went in she wasn't...

yes thought so too, but was then free to run in house to see blood
25-10-2015, 11:13
parkerman

I can't remember whether she was handcuffed or not, but she certainly would not have been allowed to run back into the house.
26-10-2015, 20:38
xx_Dan_xx

That women must be Gavin's sister.
26-10-2015, 22:56
lizann

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

That women must be Gavin's sister.

yes margaret must be

why does ronnie need linda's help with dean
26-10-2015, 22:56
lizann

Quote:

Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

That women must be Gavin's sister.

yes margaret must be

why does ronnie need linda's help with dean
27-10-2015, 02:26
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by xx_Dan_xx

That women must be Gavin's sister.

I'll be astonished if Margaret isn't Gavin's sister after Monday's episode. She's a similar age and there's even a resemblance to him. It would also explain why the police wanted to speak to her.

It was also mentioned today (for the first time that I can recall) that Gavin's sister's house is in Notting Hill - as is Sharon's biological father's.

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Originally Posted by lizann

why does ronnie need linda's help with dean

Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:

Oh dear...I'd almost feel sorry for Phil if he wasn't such a bully. :D

It was nice to see Paul so supportive of Les. :clap:
27-10-2015, 09:15
Rear window

[QUOTE=Dazzle;833876]
Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:

So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?
27-10-2015, 09:15
Rear window

[QUOTE=Dazzle;833876]
Maybe she needs more than one pair of hands for what she has planned? Her usual ally (Phil) isn't available. I hope whatever she has planned is thoroughly nasty... :ninja:

So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?
27-10-2015, 19:58
Timalay

Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.
27-10-2015, 20:58
lizann

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Originally Posted by Timalay

Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.

must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive
27-10-2015, 20:58
lizann

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timalay

Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.

must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive
27-10-2015, 22:18
Dazzle

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Originally Posted by Rear window

So was Vincent getting rid of Charlie a one off? Has she been sufficiently warned off by his mum?

I forgot about Vincent when I posted. He and Ronnie no longer appear to be allies (for the moment at least).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timalay

Gavin has really broken Phil's mind as well as his body. Love those types of psycho killers.

Me too! :D

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Originally Posted by lizann

must have had him hooked to a drip of booze while captive

When I heard that Gavin would break Phil, I jokingly speculated that he would get him hooked on heroin. I suppose alcohol is akin to heroin to Phil! I think it's likely Gavin forced him to drink while he was captive.
27-10-2015, 22:20
Dazzle

I'm disappointed Dean's being allowed in the Vic again. Fair enough if Linda wants to move on, but I still think she would bar Dean for life.

He's got a real nerve just walking in there! :angry:

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