Vincent should stay with Kim and Pearl and stop chasing Ronnie
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Vincent should stay with Kim and Pearl and stop chasing Ronnie
dot knows her prison talk, she is proper tough now :p
Vincent you idiot :angry:
Does Phil think Ian and Jane know Kathy is alive and that is why he was way over the top with Jane as he wants to protect Ben
I agree. Vincent is a complete idiot for wanting to risk everything for Ronnie. Seriously, are all the couples on EE idiots??? Stacey with Kush Max, and previously with Max. Vincent with Ronnie. Hasn't anybody on this show ever heard of commitment?Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Phil scared me at the end of tonight's ep. The way he grabbed Jane made me think he was gonna strangle her at first.
Phil's definitely very scary when he loses it, which is why he makes a convincing hard man even though he looks physically unfit. Vincent's the opposite in my view. I like him as part of the Fox family, and he has a bit of an edge, but he hasn't convinced me as a villain yet - despite his relative youth and physical advantages compared to Phil.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
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phil was scary with jane he needs to know what is going on
How on earth would Sharon know that Jane was planning to take the train to Kent? At what point did they discuss her mode of transport?
Phil had a point about Bobby being dangerous but Jane and Sharon managed to get him also to protect Bobby :angry:
Vincent's mother was good confronting Vincent and Ronnie, I think Vincent wants them caught out and Matthew is probably better with Charlie as he wants him I don't think Ronnie really does
I'm not ashamed to say the Linda/Nancy scenes brought a tear to my eye. It's about time Linda's state of mind was addressed.
Anyone notice Kathy had a bruise on her forehead? Punishment from Gavin for her disobedience? :hmm:
When they'd left the Beale house, Sharon commented to Phil that Jane seemed better after talking to Bobby, so they were in the house during the entire phone conversation. Presumably travel arrangements were discussed during the call.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I didn't expect it to, but the writing for the Jane/Phil/Sharon scenes made me believe those characters would conspire to keep the secret (at least for now). Comparing Bobby to a young Ben really pulled on a guilty Phil's heartstrings, plus he's no fan of Max's after the latter conned Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
It's true that Ronnie appears indifferent to Matthew. How will that be explained when she's been desperate for a child for so long? Maybe it's because she was in a coma for months so never properly bonded with him? :searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
You're right that Matthew would be better off with his dad who truly loves him.
I liked Tracey being part of today's show and having lines
Did Gavin know Archie or also does he know the Square, like was he there before?
It seems him and Kathy are on the run from someone else more dangerous
Well, I'm glad to see they've added a bit more to the story than just Kathy suffering at the hands of an abusive and controlling husband. If their lives really are in danger then I can understand more now why she left Ian and Ben.
Kathy should be proud of herself for walking away, but it's like Phil said, "It's only just beginning". Men like Gavin never let those they consider their possessions go, and EE warned us that he's gonna be one of the darkest characters we've seen in a long while.
So I guess Ronnie has finally made a decision over her marriage. I can't say I'm surprised, as it didn't look like she had any feelings for him for a while.
So did I. Jane Slaughter was very good.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I've read that Kathy met Gavin through her brother. If that's true, it seems likely he used to live in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
The old photo he looked at was of him (looking surprisingly chirpy) and four other men (presumably his old gang back in the day). Two of them could have been Eric and Archie Mitchell. One of the men was black, so could have been Vincent's father (we know the Hubbards and Mitchells go way back).
I wouldn't be surprised if whoever they're running from no longer pose a danger to Kathy's family (if they ever did). He might be saying it just to control her.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I thought Paul Nicholas was very convincing as a sinister, Archie Mitchell type villain.
I believe Kathy is now officially a regular character again.
This whole thing seems to be getting very incestuous with everyone knowing everyone else as well as possibly all being related to each other. Gavin certainly knows the Mitchells of old and especially Archie; the Hubbards have some sort of feud with the Mitchells, but what it is about we are uncertain exactly; Sharon could be Gavin's daughter; Gavin also seems to have known Pete Beale and Den Watts; Gavin may have known the Hubbards as well, if that photo does show Vincent's father. There seem to be a lot of tie-ups between Gavin, the Mitchells, the Hubbards and the Beales..........Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Incestuous is the right word parkerman. I suppose at least we can't complain that no thought's been given to the character of Gavin and his connections to Albert Square. :D
Here's a link to the picture Gavin looked at:
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbceasten...050880/photo/1
- I've seen the first man on the left suggested as being Den Watts. I can see the resemblance although I'm not 100% sure. See this picture as a comparison: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...6d7fda3e50.jpg
- the next man is possibly Vincent's father
- I've seen some people suggest the man in the middle is possibly Eric Mitchell because there's a resemblance to Phil
- the next man along is definitely Ted Hills, Kathy's brother (it appears to have been photoshopped from this photo of Brian Croucher, the actor who played Ted Hills: http://www.cloveclub.com/wp-content/...-Croucher1.jpg
- The man on the far right is obviously a young Gavin.
What does everyone else think of the photo?
You done much better than I could!!DazzleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Gavin&Ted -yes
Den- very probably -nose similar -hair-line
different .That happens over time -but seems
lower in later pic - rather than higher.?
Vincent -Ive not really thought about his
fathers ethnicity !? I.think Id made an assumption
he was white. I dont know why because I.
dont usually assume- because of my nephew
- which I mentioned on here once!
Eric Mitchell - that was a surprise to
me - though I can see the resemblence.
I think Ive always had a mental.pic
of him being the same physical type
as Grant rather than Phil -but don't
know why!
So very well.deduced!!
dupl
Aww thanks MM, but I can't take the credit because most of the above is taken from comments I've read on other sites. The only character I recognised straight away was Gavin; I wouldn't know Ted Hills from Adam... :oQuote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Funnily enough, I was discussing the possibility that Gavin could be Vincent's father* on another thread a few weeks ago. We haven't been told his ethnicity, so it being him in the photo is just speculation. If not, I think it's likely to be someone close to Vincent - possibly Claudette's brother?Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
* Maybe it would be easier to rule out characters who definitely couldn't be Gavin's children... :D
is sharon father in that picture
That's the million dollar question... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Only if Gavin is in it!:ninja::D:hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I had Thursday's episode on in the background while I was doing my nails. All I can say how does DTC think that this is good quality entertainment?
Friday's was better. Great to see Tracey with some dialogue. But surely DTC wouldn't need to keep sacking people if he wasn't wasting money on costly scenes like Kathy and Gavin in a helicoper. He has money, we got that looking at his car and his house in Notting Hill when Sharon went there.
So obvious that Gavin is Sharon's father. Sharon tells Ian that he's practically her brother; next scene is Gavin sitting in his car.
I enjoyed Thursday's episode. To be fair, it's easier to pick up on the negatives when you're not fully absorbed in the storyline. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim
kathy wanted ian and phil to have ben really dtc changing past for new storyline
sharon now knows 2 big secrets
so why did kathy leave her boys and fake her death still no clear explanation or logic
kathy wanted ian and phil to have ben really dtc changing past for new storyline
sharon now knows 2 big secrets
so why did kathy leave her boys and fake her death still no clear explanation or logic
Couldn't agree more. Just months before her supposed death Kathy moved house and didn't even bother telling Phil or giving him a new contact number so that he could phone Ben. Then all of a sudden she wants him to have him! Gavin insisted on that now did he? I always thought the details we were given about the crash meant that it couldn't have been faked, but of course continuity or whether something is true to character doesn't count for anything any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I expected Kathy to come back thinking that Ben had spent the rest of his childhood with Ian, then go mad when she found out that Phil got him, brought Stella into his life and taught him violence.
Where is Billy? Didn't he and Peggy know Kathy was alive also?
Ronnie is so cruel. She didn't even bother to tell Charlie about Matthew for months and now she doesn't even bother to break it to him gently that she doesn't want to be with him any more. Her and Vincent do my head in and that opening scene of them was a particular low point on Thursday.
Wow at Kathy and Sharon violent scene, didn't expect that, good showdown though
Sharon's initial shock as seeing Kathy was well played by Letitia Dean
I agree Ronnie was very cruel and blunt with Charlie, he should claim full custody of Matthew and get spousal support as Ronnie has more money than him, claim the house if he can
I forgot Billy and Peggy know Kathy is alive too
Good to have Lauren back, just don't let her too cover for Bobby
Bit of a pathetic duff duff. We all know she knows who killed Lucy.
She should have gone straight to the police station than to the Beale house and get her innocent dad outQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I loved Sharon's attitude towards Kathy. Considering she knows exactly how it feels having a parent fake their death (I'm glad that wasn't forgotten), her disgust rang very true. I think she's also probably correct that it would be best for Ian and Ben never to know of their mother's betrayal (but at the same time they do have a right to know).
Of course, Sharon doesn't understand at the moment how controlling Gavin is and that Kathy feared for her kid's lives.
I can't believe what Ronnie did to Charlie - what a cow! I also can't believe their roles have completely reversed in a couple of months. Ronnie was the sympathetic one and Charlie was the b*stard after his and Roxy's fling. I suppose it's true you'd never trust someone again after that, but she seems to be using it as an excuse to get rid of him. Infuriating! :angry:
I agree what Kathy said about leaving Ben to Phil and Ian's care isn't what happened. Wasn't he left to Ian's care but Phil fought for custody? I'm sure Kathy didn't want Phil as Ben's guardian. Kathy could be lying though, perhaps because she's in denial because she feels so guilty at abandoning her sons.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
We know the major points but not the details. Gavin owed some dangerous gangsters a lot of money and convinced Kathy their lives (and her whole family's) were in danger if they didn't fake their deaths. Gavin is sinister and controlling and Kathy was under his spell, so she believed him (that was made clear when they were sitting in the plane).Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
It's possible he made up the gangster story and just did it for the insurance money, but I'm pretty sure Kathy wouldn't have gone along with that if she'd known.
Jane obviously missed that episode. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Well, we've learned a little now about what happened to Kathy so far. We know Gavin is a controlling jerk, putting her through god knows what. We also know that apparently he's on the run from some bad people, and he told her she'd be putting her family in danger if she stayed. Though I wonder if that was really true, and he was just playing with her?
Sharon's obviously clueless about the kind of abuse that men like Gavin can do. Yeah, Kathy looked well, but looks can be deceiving.
I can understand some of Sharon's reaction, as she went through the same thing with her dad as I recall. But some of what she said sounded petty and childish to me. "They've got me now!" Like she's worried Kathy is gonna come back and take over. Personally I think Kathy should take over, as Phil's done a shoddy job with Ben by teaching him violence up to the point of him committing murder, and unaccepting of his homosexuality etc. And Sharon, while she comes across as a nice person, she is definitely not someone I would call mother of the year considering the way Denny is acting. I was close to cheering when Kathy finally got some of her spirit back and shoved Sharon. Sharon so needed a slap!
Kathy likes Abi's name, but I wonder what she'd say if she actually knew the circumstances of her and Ben's relationship? Not to mention what a freaky girl Abi is becoming.
I couldn't remember. I know Lauren knew the truth, and Peter knew that she knew, but did the rest of his family?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
peter told lauren the truth and i thought he told ian and jane he told her but that may be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
peter told lauren the truth and i thought he told ian and jane he told her but that may be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I agree, although in fairness some were thinking that Peter wouldn't have told Lauren the whole truth as we didn't hear the words.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Strange that we had a whole scene without Jane noticing/commenting on the fact that Lauren is pregnant. Would have preferred "Stop covering for Bobby or Ian will never see his grandchild" myself.
So who would have got the insurance money if there was any? I'm pretty certain that insurance companies would look oddly at any requests for it to not go to family followed so closely by the 'deaths' ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I don't remember much detail from the time it happened - I have a vague memory of Ian going to SA but that's it.
So who would have got the insurance money if there was any? I'm pretty certain that insurance companies would look oddly at any requests for it to not go to family followed so closely by the 'deaths' ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I don't remember much detail from the time it happened - I have a vague memory of Ian going to SA but that's it.
I'm going to guess and say that Gavin's sister would have received it (though if it were a joint policy which it looks like it was, that in itself doesn't explain why Ian didn't get any, with some being left in trust for Ben.) It was Gavin's sister that the Beales were in contact with in 2006, so perhaps she is in on it. Maybe Gavin concocted some explanation for the insurers that Kathy didn't get on with her children so no money was to go to them, though as I've already said, I don't find the way this whole Kathy situation is going realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
Phil has known about this for three years from an email Kathy sent to the Arches? Yet they haven't told us when Phil first saw her again. Hoax emails from dead people do happen; Steven was "Cindy" back in 2007. Surely Phil, having been stalked by Ben little more than 6 months prior, wouldn't just have taken her word for it.
Funnily enough I bought Den's resurrection. My 11 year old self was easily satisfied.
To be fair to Sharon, I think she reacted exactly the way most people would have if they discovered the mother of a very close friend had faked their death. It's even worse for Sharon because she knows exactly how Ian will feel. She doesn't know why Kathy did it, and at the moment she doesn't want to know because she's so angry on Ian and Ben's behalf. She's bound to calm down and listen at some stage, although it looks to me like the writers are setting them up as enemies from the off.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
I can't remember either, but I took it from the duff duff that Jane wasn't supposed to realise Lauren knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyseeker1
Gavin's sister "identified" the bodies so she must have been in on it. It might also come out that some local police were paid to look the other way too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rear window
If it was Gavin's insurance policy, and his sister was his closest relative after Kathy, surely it would seem natural that she be the beneficiary?
We're obviously going to be able to find holes if we look for them. They've engineered a story to bring Kathy back and I'll probably accept it as long as Kathy didn't just cold-heartedly abandon Ian and Ben - which doesn't appear to the case. It's obvious a lot of thought has gone into the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
The fact is that truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction, as evidenced by the canoe man story upon which Kathy's resurrection has been loosely based.
Marcus is a good solicitor, he is tearing each witness apart one by one showing a new suspect each time
Why cant Lauren tell Abi and Cora the truth :angry:
I'm finding the line about Ben taking Denny for a hair cut hilarious, seeing as he's about to show up with a new head.