Surely if the cause was a single blow that would prove it was Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
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Surely if the cause was a single blow that would prove it was Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Pathologists can pinpoint the injury that killed someone, so maybe Ian and Jane could convince themselves the blow caused by Max would have been fatal even without Bobby's help. It wouldn't really have to make sense to us anyway. As long as Ian and Jane can convince themselves that's what happened so they can stick their heads in the sand about Bobby.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I think this is purely speculation anyway.
But they know Lucy was alive when Bobby hit her on the head......
Head injuries can take hours or even days to kill, which is why people who bang their head badly should seek medical advice even if they feel fine. I think it's down to bleeding in the brain.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
The truth is the pathologists report would describe what happened pretty accurately, so Ian and Jane would have to be pretty desperate to cling to that as a solution (which I think they are at this point!).
ian needs to get jane to think max did it really not bobby so she wont break and talk
If Lucy had a single blow to the head then yes, categorically Bobby is responsible. I can't recall anything being stated either way (whether one or more.) I don't think Lucy's cause of death has been mentioned since the week of her death, when it was presumably kept as vague as possible so as to help with the mystery.
Had Lucy sustained two blows to the head, then Bobby might be wholly responsible (if his was proven the fatal one,) not responsible (if another was fatal,) or partially (if it were a combination of the two.) A blow to the head may not result in death until some time later, as evidenced in the cases of Pauline Fowler and Emma Summerhayes (although not hit over the head, hit her head and seemed fine afterwards.) I'm not sure what tests can show with regards to cause of death when there are multiple blows, but as Zoe Slater has never been deemed responsible for Den Watts's death, I'm assuming that they can determine the contribution of each blow.
max didn't hit her in car lot office she had a nose bleed or fell and cut herself if i remember rightly
She fell in an argument but he didn't push her. I'm surprised that didn't show up in any tests. Maybe they are about to exhume the body and find that in a fresh autopsy.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I think all we've been told is that Lucy died from a blow to the head. A pathologist would be able to pick up signs of each individual injury, the timeline, and also determine which one killed her. They can also tell from skull trauma if a blow was the result of a fall or being deliberately hit over the head.
Presumably, since we've not been told any different, the police can tell the last injury Lucy received was both deliberate and the fatal one. What we've been speculating about is Ian and Jane persuading themselves the fall which caused the blood in the car lot was deliberate and that it killed her (eventually). I don't think the police themselves (even the inept EE police) can be confused about the timeline or which blow killed Lucy.
ian looked very evil in his stare to liam, how is gina going to take both if she didn't want cindy, hope jane cracks
I thought it was unrealistic that Liam didn't say anything about the fact that if Bobby did it then his Uncle Max was innocent and that was why he would tell the police. Would he really go away to Devon - even for Cindy - and let Max face a murder trial?
And, even more unrealistic.....who set up Pam's stall in the market?
Totally agree, and such a radical change of direction from Cindy after being pushed to the floor ,threatened and eyeballed by Bobby. Had a look at old posts on SoapBoards, police told Ian cause of Lucy's death was a blow to the head, which at the time was probably designed to sidetrack viewers and implicate Max . Why a second injury wasn't found never explained. :hmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Pam's stall could have been set up by Winston :cheer:
If the pathologist was in the least bit competent the second injury would have been found. We just weren't given any of the details of the post mortem results (probably to keep us guessing and to give the writers leeway if they wanted to change things).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
Ian was bullying Liam, Liam should tell Carol and also Bianca the truth, Bianca could come back and sort Ian out
I agree Cindy change was so out of character and too soon, Is Jane sick, the stress is too much for her, be good if Jane told the police herself on Bobby
Tanya also needs to come and check on Cora and Abi, they need her
I am still waiting for Lauren to be contacted
Dean wants to keep getting "laid" stop being an evil rapist then :angry:
good to hear ronnie call dean a rapist
that was liam's last episode i think
Agreed. When we were talking about Liam's exit on another thread I said he'd do anything for Cindy, but I don't think he'd go so far as to see an innocent relative serve a life sentence. He's just too decent for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Also, unless Cindy's leaving too (which I doubt), why would he stay away from Albert Square?
I got the feeling that Cindy changed her mind because she was afraid of losing Ian and Jane (who she sees as her only family). She was relieved when she thought Jane had told Carol, but if it was her fault the truth came out then Ian and Jane would probably disown her (again).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glen1
I hope not, that was very abrupt! Surely we'll see Liam make a decision tomorrow? :searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Ian needs Kathy to come back and sort him out quickly! :p
Liam's gran Carol is recovering from cancer and the stress of Max being in prison isn't good for her, he should speak up :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Then again would anyone really believe though Bobby as the killer unless Jane and Ian confirm it, Liam could be laughed at but he does need to speak up and tell
the evil look of ian he could kill liam to keep him quiet
Or he could get Bobby to kill him.....Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
With Bobbys state of mind-anything isQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
possible!
Should Abi be arrested, how many how times now has she changed her story on Max to the police and also her own fight with Lucy on the night she died
I think she would be in reality but Keeble's already said she won't get into trouble if she tells the truth now. The writers obviously feel Abi facing charges would be an inconvenience at the moment...Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
how can liam think he can be done as accessory and for concealing evidence so for 100k if ian pays he sells his family
Yes, my thought too. Liam can hardly be accused of being an accessory or even concealing evidence really if he reports it to the police now. Of course, it would mean Cindy could be accused of both. But, even so, I don't think Liam would allow Max to go down for something he didn't do and how is he going to react when Carol tells him that Max is guilty?
Ha ha...I enjoyed Liam's unexpected blackmail of Ian. Serve Ian right for repeatedly calling him thick! :p
Although I still feel it's out of character, I could live with Liam leaving with a great wad of cash (though I doubt it'd be 100k) if he thought he was saving his beloved Cindy from a prison sentence. His feelings for Cindy are obviously much stronger than those for Max, and they might even override his love for Carol. I can buy that even though I acknowledge it's a stretch for such a usually decent character. (I don't think he took Ian's threat of being imprisoned himself very seriously.)
There may yet be more twists to come in Liam's story though.
Poor Max has lost his last supporter. I did enjoy Carol calling him out on his womanising though. :D
Dean acting like butter wouldn't melt... :angry: Let's hope Ronnie goes through with her threats!
Good call Tammy! Ian tried to convince Jane although she wasn't buying. I'd have like it if the writers had gone further down that road.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
who did jane call, was expecting cora to tell jane she saw her moving something late night of murder
She called an estate agent.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
She will probably do that-just when theyQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
think theyve sorted things - again
Dupl
I liked the unexpectedness of the twist about the estate agent after we were led to believe Jane would confess, but I'm finding Jane and Ian's actions less and less convincing. I suppose I can just about get my head around Jane thinking she can outrun her guilt by moving far away from Albert Square, but Ian's totally unconcerned about Max's fate! There have of course been many times in the past thirty years when he's behaved despicably, but this still feels out of character to me - or is it my memory that's at fault? :searchme:
I was disappointed Liam gave up on blackmailing Ian so quickly. I'd have enjoyed seeing Ian panic-stricken about how to get hold of the money.
Abi seemed shocked just for a second when Carol announced Max's guilt. I can't make up my mind whether she really believes in her father's guilt or not.
I thought that too. I think Abi knows Max didn't do it for some reason. Also, she mentioned Lauren being Max's favourite last night. Is this a sign that Lauren is coming back and will be the one to get him out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I can't believe Abi thought Max did it, when she knows Max thought it was her.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Perhaps she should be. She's acting so crazy at the moment!Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I am glad Lauren finally got a mention I am surprised Carol or Whitney have not contacted her yet about Max also is Cindy not in any contact with PeterQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
If Liam and Cindy just leave and not tell Carol I will be disappointed honestly I don't think the Lucy murder case should drag on much longer either Jane or Ian should tell the police the truth on Bobby
Roxy is an idiot, why does she always need a man :angry:
Because she's an idiot! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Spoiler:
fatboy not a dean fan this is new
sharon knows but will ian dissuade her
fatboy not a dean fan this is new
sharon knows but will ian dissuade her
I did laugh at nosy Sharon reading the email from Cindy to Bobby
That was Cindy's last episode too which is a shame
Its probably for "plot" reasons- and possiblyQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
the actress doesnt fit in with current regime-
but all soaps seem to get rid of characters
that could have good story lines and yet
keep those that dont have much going
for them!
A shame as you say!