Eastenders - Current Episode Discussion - VIII

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Originally Posted by lizann

it might not be carol's bra, roxy and dean could have got frisky on the couch

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I'm not convinced Carol slept with Buster. She seemed to be more concerned about the effect of her boast on Sonia rather than anything else. Lizann might be right that the bra belongs to Roxy.

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Originally Posted by tammyy2j

I hate the writing for Kush and Stacey I even feel sorry for Martin now too as well as Shabham

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I feel sorry for Martin too. He's an idiot but he's decent enough at heart and doesn't deserve to be used like that.

Although I've sympathised with Shabnam until now, I'm struggling to see how she can accept one child but not the other. I understand why she didn't at the time, but her secret is out in the open now and the damage she was so worried about is done. I hope she'll warm to the idea of Jade gradually now: supporting Shirley and Buster was a start I suppose.

I couldn't believe Carmel appeared to question whether Kush ought to accept the baby! It's too late to do anything about it - he's going to be a father whether he's in a relationship with Shabnam or not. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Although I've sympathised with Shabnam until now, I'm struggling to see how she can accept one child but not the other. I understand why she didn't at the time, but her secret is out in the open now and the damage she was so worried about is done.

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Even so, very different circumstances. She gave up her first child and, to all intents and purposes, she's been dead to her and has forced herself to forget any sort of relationship with her. I can quite understand why she wouldn't want to ressurect all that happened and have to face all the emotional trauma of having to recognise she has a daughter after all when she had managed to, if not forget about her, but at least not have her as part of her life. It would be very hard for her to form a proper mother/daughtr relationship now. A baby with the man she loves and is going to marry however is a completely different thing.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Even so, very different circumstances. She gave up her first child and, to all intents and purposes, she's been dead to her and has forced herself to forget any sort of relationship with her. I can quite understand why she wouldn't want to ressurect all that happened and have to face all the emotional trauma of having to recognise she has a daughter after all when she had managed to, if not forget about her, but at least not have her as part of her life. It would be very hard for her to form a proper mother/daughtr relationship now. A baby with the man she loves and is going to marry however is a completely different thing.

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Yes, I take your point, it's a very complex situation.

I wish they hadn't introduced this new baby but had concentrated on Shabnam's relationship with Jade. That's the storyline thread I'm most interested in at the moment.

By the way Parkerman, I hope you weren't offended by my asking if you quoted The Two Ronnies above. What you wrote was very funny and reminded me of Ronnie Barker's famously witty wordplay (which I hope you take as a compliment).

No, I wasn't offended at all, Dazzle. I did take it as a compliment - well, I had to really, otherwise it would have meant my joke about Carol's bra had gone tits up.

I think Shabham has so many people telling her what to do she don't know herself what she truly wants

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Not being a woman myself, may I ask is it usual for women to forget to put their bra back on before going back home...?:hmm:

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no but you usually remember to shove it in your pocket??

nice scenes with carol and shirley with boob fight:p good tamwar's fear of his image over his fire scars still remembered

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Originally Posted by lizann

it might not be carol's bra, roxy and dean could have got frisky on the couch

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Well predicted :clap:

I did like Carol and Shirley's scenes, well acted by both Lindsey and Linda, funny and emotional

EE had me in tears last night - and not tears of frustration for once. Carol's journey to acceptance of her scars was very moving indeed. Why can't Lindsay and Linda get more scenes that make the most of their considerable acting talents instead of the usual non-stop misery (Carol) or aggression (Shirley)?

I liked how Tamwar's self-consciousness about his own scars continued the theme.

We got a glimpse of Lady Di for the first time in months! :D

I feel I should congratulate the EE team on an excellent episode after my recent relentless criticism. :clap:

Yes, mostly good. Not sure about |an giving up a whole afternoon's takings for Stacey and Martin though. :hmm:

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Originally Posted by parkerman

Not sure about |an giving up a whole afternoon's takings for Stacey and Martin though. :hmm:

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Yes, that was stretching credulity too far... http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smile...ppy-514478.gif

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

EE had me in tears last night - and not tears of frustration for once. Carol's journey to acceptance of her scars was very moving indeed. Why can't Lindsay and Linda get more scenes that make the most of their considerable acting talents instead of the usual non-stop misery (Carol) or aggression (Shirley)?

I liked how Tamwar's self-consciousness about his own scars continued the theme.

We got a glimpse of Lady Di for the first time in months! :

I feel I should congratulate the EE team on an excellent episode after my recent relentless criticism. :clap:

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I missed episode but glad it was good.
Ive liked Lindsays portrayal of Carol from the
start and will be sorry when she leaves EE.

I cant say the same about Shirley- though
as the actress appears to be a pleasant person-
she must be good to play a hypocritical
bullying doormat so well!!

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

I missed episode but glad it was good.
Ive liked Lindsays portrayal of Carol from the
start and will be sorry when she leaves EE.

I cant say the same about Linda- though
as the actress appears to be a pleasant person-
she must be good to play a hypocritical
bullying doormat so well!!

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Agree about Lindsay Coulson. :)

I've been a fan of Linda Henry's since she was in Bad Girls, and I think she plays nice as well as she plays nasty. Unfortunately, EE don't often give Shirley the chance to do anything other than be aggressive (especially recently) but Linda's capable of far more - as last night's episode proved.

did shabham say her mother couldn't wait to visit

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Originally Posted by lizann

did shabham say her mother couldn't wait to visit

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I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.

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hope zainab visits even if brief

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Originally Posted by parkerman

I'm not sure what she said exactly but the implication was certainly that Shabs would be seeing her soon.

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hope zainab visits even if brief

I know nothing about epilepsy. Does anyone understand the significance of Nancy's seizures dramatically increasing in number?

During Stacey's last stint I couldn't help but like her no matter how badly she behaved, but that's no longer the case. I can't work out if it's the writing or the acting that's to blame for my change of opinion. It's not just the Kush affair either because I've disapproved of her conduct while still liking her in the past.

I'm not sure how I feel about seeing Jean again. I'm not a lover of the character as I find her way too screechy, but she can bring out the best in Stacey. No doubt we'll see some good scenes between them.

On the Shabnam and Jade point, I would actually rather that Shabnam has this new child rather than turning around in the future and deciding that she wants a relationship with Jade. Too many adoptive/step/foster parents who have done all the hard work are almost wiped out of existence when the biological parent shows up (Rebecca, Dean; even Sharon is now going back on her prior comments that her adoptive parents were the real thing.) I am fed up with the show doing this.

I agree with Parkerman's point about a relationship with Jade and the new baby being a completely different thing. It must be harder to feel for a child as a parent is supposed to when you've missed out on part of their life for whatever reason. Carol Hanley never saw Sharon as a daughter despite going on to have more children. Regardless of the fact the shame that Shabnam wanted to avoid is now not an issue, Shabnam still feels privately ashamed of her one night stand with Dean. Shabnam's opinions are harsher than most, perhaps she can't see Jade separately of that. To 'forget' one, she has to 'forget' the other. She's probably further ashamed now that she knows that Jade's father is a rapist, even though he didn't rape her.

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

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Originally Posted by lizann

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

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Stacey may not have really seen Jean since Sean gave her the key. She didn't say when, she just said ages ago. Perhaps she met up with him while she was on the run. This could have been as early as December 2010, which can be regarded as ages ago.

Alternatively, perhaps it was just before he left. Jean had an episode soon after so asking about the key wouldn't have helped anything. Stacey then had Danielle's death, her own bipolar, a rape, a pregnancy and Bradley's death to contend with.

I think we can let that part go, what I want to know is how no one has asked her about why she was wearing a key before. She was wearing it on the stall at one point!

Good episode tonight. Two quick glimpses of Winston and none of Dean.

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Originally Posted by Kim

On the Shabnam and Jade point, I would actually rather that Shabnam has this new child rather than turning around in the future and deciding that she wants a relationship with Jade. Too many adoptive/step/foster parents who have done all the hard work are almost wiped out of existence when the biological parent shows up (Rebecca, Dean; even Sharon is now going back on her prior comments that her adoptive parents were the real thing.) I am fed up with the show doing this.

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I see what you mean, but a soap is only likely to introduce a long lost child/parent if it's going to present plenty of dramatic opportunities - which almost inevitably includes parent and child being reunited.

Jade has only been fostered and doesn't appear to be settled with a loving family. The foster father is decidedly dodgy - although not completely uncaring. I'm sure her unstable situation is deliberate to make it more realistic a family member could get custody and that Jade herself would be eager to meet and perhaps live with her real family.

Since the story's been done this way and it's been hinted Shabnam cares for Jade deep down, it seems inevitable to me that Shabnam will grow closer to her if she comes to live on the square. Given this, I'd still prefer the story concentrate on Shabnam's relationship with Jade. There's plenty of time for other kids.

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Originally Posted by Kim

I agree with Parkerman's point about a relationship with Jade and the new baby being a completely different thing. It must be harder to feel for a child as a parent is supposed to when you've missed out on part of their life for whatever reason. Carol Hanley never saw Sharon as a daughter despite going on to have more children. Regardless of the fact the shame that Shabnam wanted to avoid is now not an issue, Shabnam still feels privately ashamed of her one night stand with Dean. Shabnam's opinions are harsher than most, perhaps she can't see Jade separately of that. To 'forget' one, she has to 'forget' the other. She's probably further ashamed now that she knows that Jade's father is a rapist, even though he didn't rape her.

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I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.

Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.

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Originally Posted by lizann

so are we to believe that stacey never asked or even told jean before about sean's key

tamwar and nancy scenes as well as max and carol scenes were great, piss off moany sonia

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I really enjoyed the Carol and Max scenes too

I think it's probably inconsistencies in the writing that make Shabnam's current attitude inexplicable to me. She's been carrying a terrible burden since we met her again, and it's been made clear that guilt was caused by her abandonment of her daughter and not just shame at the pregnancy. She definitely cared for the child even though she buried those feelings very deeply.

Therefore, I just can't get my head around her instantly caring for her unborn baby whilst apparently being able to push thoughts of Jade aside (especially since the latter has a serious illness). I'd understand if she'd never cared for Jade but it's been made very clear that wasn't the case. As I said, the writing might be the problem for me.[/QUOTE]

Dazzle - this reply is probably a lot of rubbish
but put it forward for what its worth.

I think it is possible for someone to divorce
themselves from a past situation - as tho it
never happened.But that doesnt really tally
with Shabnams personality?? A form of
self-protection?

Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!.

I read about it some years ago-if Ive remembered
it correctly. I thought it might be called
" tranference" but now dont think so.

Got visitors shortly so cant do any research
- and not sure what to look for.
Its just something at the back of my brain
that wont come forward!!
So just mentioning it in case it rings any
bells!!
MM

Dupl

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

Im sure Ive read that there is a pyschological
condition where someone has not deal with
a past situation correctly and tries to rectify
things by dealing with a current one better.
Still not dealing with past!

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That makes perfect sense to me and thanks for drawing my attention to that condition. Again though, I don't feel it fits Shabnam's situation, as she showed interest in meeting Jade (and did in fact meet her very briefly) recently. Either she cares for Jade or she doesn't. Similarly, either she wants Jade in her life or she doesn't. These inconsistencies are what's puzzling me.

It's not just being in denial either, because I accepted her being in denial about Jade at various points in the story. The last episode we saw Shabnam - when she told her family about the baby - there was what I felt a coldness towards Jade that hadn't been there before. That's what I'm finding hard to fathom.

It might be that I read that particular scene incorrectly though. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...ashamed001.gif

what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate

this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal

what has martin let himself in for with stacey, nice for shirley to go the wedding as jean's mate

this key is driving me cuckoo too now, what does it reveal

Good episodes Monday and Tuesday. No Dean, or Stacey and Kush lusting after each other, was a huge relief. :cheer:

I really enjoyed Stacey, Jean and Martin's scenes. The latter's expressions of horror at some of the Slater family antics were hilarious. I hope Stacey comes to love Martin and stays with him long term because I really like them together (when she's not treating him like dirt). The scene where she told Martin about her bipolar was riveting stuff.

Jean was horrible to Stacey at the end there! I was shocked she pronounced her daughter ill just to get hold of the key (of course there have been major hints that Stacey is having an episode but that's not why Jean did that). What on earth can she be hiding? :hmm:

I can't remember if Stacey knows that Sean killed (or thinks he killed) their father. Jean's definitely got a guilty conscience about something; maybe she cruelly let Sean believe a lie?

I was really shocked that Jean didn't flush the key after all! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...shocked003.gif (Though it's obvious she wouldn't have with hindsight.)

Good Nancy and Lee scenes too. I'm beginning to think

Spoiler:

maybe DTC will do Lee's depression storyline justice. It's impressive writing that he and Nancy are both suffering because of all the recent family angst.

It was nice to see Carol and Max having fun together. :D

I think Jean was responsible for Brian's death and not Sean now

dupl

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Originally Posted by Dazzle

Good episodes Monday and Tuesday. No Dean, or Stacey and Kush lusting after each other, was a huge relief. :cheer:

I really enjoyed Stacey, Jean and Martin's scenes. The latter's expressions of horror at some of the Slater family antics were hilarious. I hope Stacey comes to love Martin and stays with him long term because I really like them together (when she's not treating him like dirt). The scene where she told Martin about her bipolar was riveting stuff.

Jean was horrible to Stacey at the end there! I was shocked she pronounced her daughter ill just to get hold of the key (of course there have been major hints that Stacey is having an episode but that's not why Jean did that). What on earth can she be hiding? :hmm:

I can't remember if Stacey knows that Sean killed (or thinks he killed) their father. Jean's definitely got a guilty conscience about something; maybe she cruelly let Sean believe a lie?

I was really shocked that Jean didn't flush the key after all! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...shocked003.gif (Though it's obvious she wouldn't have with hindsight.)

Good Nancy and Lee scenes too. I'm beginning to think

Spoiler:

maybe DTC will do Lee's depression storyline justice. It's impressive writing that he and Nancy are both suffering because of all the recent family angst.

It was nice to see Carol and Max having fun together. :D

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Agree re Stacey & Martin. They would make a good
long-term couple. Also re Carol & Max having fun.

Never liked Jean Slater.I think there is a problem
thats not related to being bi-polar. Think Stacey
better without her.
I know 2 families with a member who is bi-polar.
Quite different people and circs- but neither
family can stand her!! Both either like or find
Stacey ok tho!
Also.hope Lees depression doesnt get the
"Steve quick- fix" solution and is dealt with
more realistically !

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

Never liked Jean Slater.I think there is a problem
thats not related to being bi-polar. Think Stacey
better without her.
I know 2 families with a member who is bi-polar.
Quite different people and circs- but neither
family can stand her!! Both either like or find
Stacey ok tho!

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I agree about Jean, I've never been keen on the character. I do think she and Stacey have good chemistry and have shared some really moving scenes though.

As far as the depiction of bipolar - I couldn't agree more. Lacey Turner portrays the extreme mood swings very realistically in my opinion. However, Jean just flaps around shrieking like an idiot most of the time. I've heard before about some real life bipolar sufferers being offended by the depiction and I don't really blame them! Anyone with no prior knowledge of the condition would come away thinking bipolar is a learning disability! :wall:

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Originally Posted by maidmarian

Also.hope Lees depression doesnt get the
"Steve quick- fix" solution and is dealt with
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Agreed!

I like the new Martin and him and Stacey have potential to be a good pairing and better chemistry, way more than her and Kush

no tube strike

when did stacey and lola start fighting, are their kids same age don't ever remember a scene of them before

no tube strike

when did stacey and lola start fighting, are their kids same age don't ever remember a scene of them before

I've really appreciated the spotlight being on Stacey for the past few episodes, especially because she's been so unlikeable recently. We've delved deeper into her psyche and got to know her again, which I've found very enjoyable. I was always a big fan of Stacey in the past.

I forgot when I mentioned yesterday about her appearing to be having an episode that she's pregnant! :wall: Let's just hope there's no doubt it's Martin's (who continues to improve by the episode).

I didn't like everyone sniggering at her at the performance. Surely they all know about her condition? :searchme:

didn't think stacey would tell martin so soon she was up the duffy