thought it was vincent in bed with roxy not dean, dtc really punishing dean
kush's mam was good with bushra
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thought it was vincent in bed with roxy not dean, dtc really punishing dean
kush's mam was good with bushra
thought it was vincent in bed with roxy not dean, dtc really punishing dean
kush's mam was good with bushra
I thought tonight's episode was just appalling. What with the continued rehabilitation of Dean, Masood's completely over the top shouty nonsense sacrificing his daughter for a girl he's never seen and the looks between Kush and Stacey....aaarrrggghhh!!!!
I can't help thinking that DTC has completely lost the plot and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Either that or viewers will be leaving in their droves.
Showing Dean in bed with Roxy was in extremely poor taste. DTC's sunk so low in my estimation. :thumbsdowQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I know one person who's stopped watching due to the Dean situation and more who are on the verge. The viewing figures must be going down. I'm interested in Shabnam's story at the moment and I want to find out if she can be a mother to Jade. Ronnie's paranoia's good too. Otherwise I don't know if there'd be enough to keep me watching due to Dean's unwelcome presence.
The Kush/Stacey situation is just pathetic and out of character, and drunken Shirley's never entertaining.
Was Amy and Matthew with Charlie and Ronnie?
Yes, he mentioned they were both in bed.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
did buster have a light bulb truth realisation moment about dean being a rapist, roxy is an idiot
If I stopped watching a show, just because of one character that I didn't like I don't think I'd have any programmes left to watch!!
its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cfQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
i probably will not stop watching but i understand by why some viewers are tuning out
her daughter wakes having a nightmare and roxy chooses to leave her alone and chase a rapist, idiot
its about a sick twisted rapist not being punished some crimes cannot be overlooked, eastenders always has had evil villains over the years the likes of nick, archie, den and trevor who i didn't mind watching as you knew their day for being punished was coming but dtc is trying to evoke sympathy for dean by introducing his kid with cfQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
i probably will not stop watching but i understand by why some viewers are tuning out
her daughter wakes having a nightmare and roxy chooses to leave her alone and chase a rapist, idiot
I couldn't watch tonight after reading the summary and knowing I'd have to sit through another Dean pity party. I've decided I'm not going to give up on EE altogether at the moment but won't watch any episodes that concentrate on him, and will fast forward any of his scenes in the episodes I do watch (I always record and watch it a bit later).
It's not a matter of disliking Dean. I really detest him and he makes my skin crawl. I can't bear to watch him. :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
Well said!Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I've been thinking about Dean compared to Archie Mitchell, a despicable character if there ever was one. He even raped his own teenage daughter!
The huge difference between Dean and Archie is in the writing and acting. Archie was portrayed as a villain and never given storylines that showed him in a sympathetic light. Also Larry Lamb acted him in a very sinister manner. There was no doubt in viewers' minds that we were supposed to detest Archie and want to see him punished.
The way Dean's being portrayed means he has many fans who find him "complex" and "vulnerable" (yes, I've seen these distasteful posts elsewhere) and almost treat him as the victim of the storyline. This really illustrates our concerns that Dean is not being written and acted as a villain, which minimises rape as a crime and encourages victim blaming in my opinion. (I'm not saying the DTC and his team are doing this deliberately but unfortunately this is how it's coming across to some of us.)
I find the writing extremely manipulative and frustrating and the whole thing leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. :angry:
Having said the above, I didn't watch tonight's episode so didn't see Dean nearly admit his guilt to Buster. Do any of you feel this was a positive step in the storyline?
it will be positive if buster does something, like disown dean and tell shirley and mick not just forget and go into denial (which is what i think shirley is in)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
jade's foster dad no problem taking cash to dna test he is a shaddy character how is he a foster dad to a cf kid
Well I won't get my hopes up this time. I celebrated Buster being deeply suspicious of Dean weeks ago but that came to absolutely nothing. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Sorry, I'm a bit behind with this but, like Dazzle, I didn't see last night's episode live and have only just seen it. I have to say I was appalled by the continuing and rapid rehabilitation of Dean and his sympathetic portrayal.
I am very rapidly approaching the point when I will just be unable to watch EE any longer.
I got behind with the episodes too and think -IQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
must catch up- then think Do I really
want too??. I.dont want to.give up
for one character- but I do wish they would
sort it. Perception of. other characters are
being affected and not favourably!
Dupl
does buster want to keep dean away from jade that's he took the dna results
He may do. I think he suspects that Linda is telling the truth and therefore, it would be for the best. A rapist is the last person you want near a child, even if he happens to be her father.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I agree. After seeing that mad look in Dean's eyes at the salon, I think Buster fears what Dean is capable of. I hope Shabnam thinks again about Jade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I'm in the same boat. I didn't watch Thursday's episode and fast forwarded any scenes including Dean in Friday's. The problem is he's featuring so heavily at the moment that it gets irritating to keep forwarding constantly. Also, I caught him doing up his zip after a session with Roxy which was enough to make me feel queasy. :sick:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Yes I'd say Buster's worried about Dean being around Jade. It's heartening that at least one person is questioning his suitability to be a parent. However, it's really infuriating they're trying to twist it so Dean's mentally ill now. He wasn't ill when he raped Linda or when he harassed her for months beforehand. He knew exactly what he was doing. Is this how they're going to try to absolve him of guilt?Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Stacey using Martin to forget Kush. :thumbsdow
I enjoyed the mention of Arthur but I must admit that, as much as I like James Bye, I find it hard to think of him as Pauline and Arthur's Martin. I suppose that'll change with time.
Dean not being punished etc... is a sad fact of life. Having been in a very similar situation myself. Also having sat through many different therapy sessions, justice is a very rare thing with Rape cases and I believe that is realistic truth they are trying to portray.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Sorry to hear about your dreadful experience. :( I've been affected by a similar rape to Linda's too (through someone close to me).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
While I don't deny portraying Linda as not getting justice is showing reality, they could do it just as well by having Dean leave the square. We don't want to watch his life going on as normal. The writers could easily make it clear that it was without us having to witness his sleazy bunk-ups and constant whingeing about how unfair his life is. (I do understand that some rape victims have no choice but to live in close proximity to their attackers, but this is a TV show and there's a limit to what they should expect viewers to swallow.)
To add insult to injury Dean's been promoted to a major character and is currently central to several storyline threads - and evidently will be for some time to come.
Also, Matt di Angelo made clear in a recent interview that the writers have changed their minds about Dean getting comeuppance (at least any time soon). This has led to confusion and inconsistencies in the writing, and a vocal minority of viewers sympathising with HIS plight over Linda's. :angry:
Far more time's being spent on his state of mind than ever was on Linda's, making HIM him the focus of the rape storyline (and sometimes, it seems to many of us, the victim). It's very, very wrong.
sorry to hear thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
linda and dean cant live both on the square he has to go, shirley, denise and buster disown him tell everyone he is a rapist he has to leave then
sorry to hear thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
linda and dean cant live both on the square he has to go, shirley, denise and buster disown him tell everyone he is a rapist he has to leave then
Sadly people still have to live around or near the person that has raped them. I can see both sides, but still feel they are portraying the devastation at is reality however upsetting that is to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Dup
I respect you speak from a place of experience on this subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessie Wallace
My view is that if they felt they really had to go down the route of showing reality, they should at the very least be portraying Dean objectively. Having spent time perusing other forums, the more malleable viewers are starting to forget he's a rapist and aren't disgusted by his continued presence on the square. So if the intention is to provoke outrage at how unjust our system is for rape victims, it's not working.
Many feel the same as I do, but I've been dismayed to notice a subtle change in the tide of opinion the past couple of days, no doubt largely down to sympathy for Dean because Jade has cystic fibrosis.
Also, it's very contrived that they still live on top of each other though. Mick and Linda are in a position to sell up and move away. It's even been mentioned but some lame excuse was made. Given how badly the rape has affected the entire family, I think they would have done anything to get away from Dean in reality.
Neither Mick, Linda and the kids or Dean have lived in Albert Square for very long so keeping them all there feels unnatural.
I think this story's connection to reality is extremely tenuous and getting more so by the episode. :wall:
how can shirley and dean get jade?
when will buster or shirley tell massod and shabham jade is sick with cf
I actually watched the Buster and Dean scenes last night because I'm interested in Buster's attitude to Dean now he's seen the light (or at least a glimmer of it). It seemed he actually talked a bit of sense into the rapist until Shirley interfered. :angry:
Hopefully, they wouldn't have a chance of getting custody in real life but EE is sur-real life so anything's possible. :thumbsdowQuote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I really, really hope Shabnam will fight Shirley and Dean for custody when she finds out what they're up to. Maybe fear of Jade being exposed to a bitter, entitled predator (am I describing Dean or Shirley? :hmm:) will give her a much-needed wake up call?
Of course, if Buster's genuinely troubled about Dean's effect on Jade, he could easily put the kibosh on any custody arrangement by informing Social Services about Dean's temper. Sadly, I can't see him going so far...
The Masoods are of no importance to selfish Shirley and Dean. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I really thought we'd seen the end of the harassment of Linda. Thank goodness she's feeling stronger and is able to shrug it off now.
Did Denise or Kim get Patrick anything even a card for Father's Day?
Anthony could have sent him a card at least, does he call Denise even to check on his father
There's been a lot of talk about Paul recently, which usually means only one thing in EE and we never saw him actually get killed.
They wouldn't dare......would they?:hmm:
Don't go giving them ideas (on the off-chance they haven't already thought of it)... :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
:ninja:Another funeral attended for the wrong deceased????
paul is vincent after surgery just like usa soaps:p far fetched ott storylines is the way uk ones are goingQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
paul is vincent after surgery just like usa soaps:p far fetched ott storylines is the way uk ones are goingQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Surely not.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I'm 99% sure that Paul's body was identified by Patrick. The viewers didn't see the body but we saw his reaction.
Or are we going to get a convoluted explanation that the mortuary staff were in on some scheme and allowed Paul to lie there and play dead?
That would still be beyond belief, as I belive that Paul had been dead for 2 months before his body was recovered.
without being gross at tea time - after two months how recognisable would Paul's body have been????Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
and why have we never solved the mystery of who was in the coffin at Nick Cotton's first funeral????