Absolutely spot on, Dazzle. :cheer:
Surely DTC must be getting feed-back on this. He is going to lose a lot of viewers over this if it doesn't end in a satisfactory way for Linda very soon.
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Absolutely spot on, Dazzle. :cheer:
Surely DTC must be getting feed-back on this. He is going to lose a lot of viewers over this if it doesn't end in a satisfactory way for Linda very soon.
There've been lots of complaints for weeks now so DTC must be aware of the huge frustration a lot of EE fans are feeling about the storyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
His most recent comments about the plot that I can find are in this video dated 24th April 2015. He says "there will be an ending" to the story but that real life isn't "tied up quickly and easily with a bow". There have been angry reactions on Twitter but "it's right people are getting angry because they should be" and "if there wasn't a discussion going on then we wouldn't be doing the right thing".
People are angry that Dean's escaped legal justice and of course it's right they should be, but I don't think DTC realises that the majority of the complaints are about the writing of the story not the contents. I never had a huge problem with Dean not being convicted (as long as he gets some form of comeuppance) because it is a realistic scenario and the lack of justice for most real-life rape victimes should be highlighted in my opinion. However, it sounds like they were going for gritty realism whereas what's actually come across onscreen is repetitive and almost unwatchable sensationalism (that has less and less to do with the victim's feelings).
I just hope the fact that the storyline has a definite end means that the truth will come out one way or another and we'll be rid of Dean (sooner rather than later hopefully). I can't stomach much more of his (and Shirley's) gloating! :angry:
On the positive side, DTC says in the video that there's plenty more to come on the Bobby Beale storyline. I'm looking forward to that and just hope I'm still watching EE then.
well said dazzle
Thank you for that Dazzle. I agree that he doesn't seem to understand what it is people are angry about. As I said above it is the repetitive nature of the story with the same scenes between Mick and Shirley being played over and over again. Also the position of Tina in all this. Does she or does she not believe Linda? Either way, she must know and understand why it is impossible for Mick and Shirley to be reconciled while Shirley continues to defend and protect Dean. It just makes no sense at all and is nothing to do with people maybe being angry over Dean not getting his comeuppance.
I agree with all uve said parkerman . EE had thisQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
repititive scenes problem years ago and it was
so bad you actually thought you were watching
a repeat episode until a new bit popped up.
I cant remember the storyline -time has blotted
it out- might have involved Phil.?
The way the rape story is now being played
completely undrvalues its importance.
I may have picked this up wrongly but I get
the impression the producer likes the actor
who plays Dean and has sympathy for character.
Is he swayed by thinking Dean has a lot of fans.?
I think if I had modelled some of the Carters
on my own family - as producer says he has-
Id have kept quiet about it.
!
If story goes on much longer -I would expect
someone in BBC hierarchy to step in - as they
did in Baby Swap Story!
Dupl
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
The general consensus on social media seems to be that they planned for Dean to rape Linda before they realised how popular he was, and are since regretting it. I liked Dean a lot myself and was fuming when I read that he was going to become a rapist, but since he's now a fully-fledged sex offender I'm not interested in seeing any further development of his character.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
There seem to be a minority of EE fans who like and/or fancy Matt di Angelo and make all sorts of excuses for the rape - even going so far as to hope Dean can be redeemed! Luckily most fans are sick to the back teeth of him and want him gone ASAP.
I just hope DTC and Co are listening to us.
there no possible way to redeem dean
Yeah, Tina's stance is a bizarre and inconsistent mess! :thumbsdowQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
None whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Just a comment re Shirley & Tina. I thought theQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
idea of extending the Carter family was to give
the Shirley character a stronger base?
I admit Ive never really liked Shirley but accept
is has been a good portrayal of someone with
only 2 settings - Doormat( as with Phil) and
then Bully ( with such as Heather) to make
them feel better about themselves?
Where there are several siblings -one can
become dominant and seek to control
some of the others- if parents dont do
something?
This can continue well into.adulthood-
I wonder if Shirley has this effect on Tina
which is why her attitude is strange and
she doesnt support Linda?
Dupli
is phil wanting rid of sharon
Enjoyable episode last night. I wish Kat and Alfie were always so well written because I might actually beif that were the case.Spoiler:
I hope Kat's visit to the convent is cathartic for her.
Despite my abhorrence of the way Max treated Kat at the end of Tuesdays episode, I ended up feeling sorry for him last night. He's certainly having a bad time of it lately. I rather shamefully enjoyed Phil's smug grin to Max when he gave Abi the car though. :o
A break from the rape storyline was very welcome! :D
No, I actually thought he was really genuine in wanting to please her last night (that doesn't mean he'll give up his life of crime though lol). I was really glad to see Sharon standing her ground with Phil as I think they work well as a couple - as long as she's not playing the doormat.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode as it's concentrating on Kat and Stacey - we get to find out something aboutat last!Spoiler:
So Stacey talking to her brother ... Rob Kasinsky always said he would not mind coming back ... usually when a character's name is mentioned a few times it indicates that they will make an appearance before long ... would not mind him coming back :D
So what happened to Zoe's twin brother? And how come Kat doesn't remember a second baby?
i wonder is it someone we have already meet before what 30 year olds fit the bill :p lee, ryan, sean, dean, spencer or a newbieQuote:
Originally Posted by kayuqtuq
i would love sean to return
june was great as the nun
kat comparing derek to harry did they look alike but wasn't kat texting i love yous to derek yet he disgusted her
i wonder is it someone we have already meet before what 30 year olds fit the bill :p lee, ryan, sean, dean, spencer or a newbieQuote:
Originally Posted by kayuqtuq
i would love sean to return
june was great as the nun
kat comparing derek to harry did they look alike but wasn't kat texting i love yous to derek yet he disgusted her
Or is he alive and well but unknown to us and maybe living abroad - somewhere like Ireland for example?
Wow what an episode, the show can survive without any Carters featuring predominately
Jessie was just superb and what a twist, Kat has a grown up son so we have a new male Slater, I hope Zoe's twin is a new character and Parkerman says above maybe he is living in Ireland
I like that Stacey's key is from Sean connected to their dad, as everyone was expecting a connection to Ryan, I thought it was Jean she was skyping with
Excellent episode centring around Kat, and I must admit to having tears in my eyes at several points. The only downside was I felt the script was a bit awkward in parts - it didn't flow very well IMO - but that might have been deliberate to show Kat's state of mind. The performances were uniformly fantastic though.
Kat's guilty secret that part of her enjoyed the attention from Harry was so sad and messed up. What an awful feeling to live with. No wonder she couldn't cope. :( I hope she can forgive herself now for the understandable feelings of a confused and expertly groomed young girl.
It's probably only with hindsight that Kat realises she was subconsciously trying to relive feeling special as Derek reminded her of Harry. At the time it must have felt like she was actually fond of Derek. I'm relieved that particularly low episode in Kat's story has been explained away.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I hope we predominantly see Kathleen from now on because the "dirty girl" story feels complete now.
I think you might be correct there! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I'm looking forward to seeing Kat's secret son. I've seen people complaining about a "retcon" but I'm happy with the twist. Kat's memory of giving birth is obviously very hazy and, given her state of mind at the time, I have no trouble believing in her having no knowledge about it now. Her mother was obviously a very unpleasant and manipulative woman.
I enjoyed how the writers made us think Stacey was contacting Ryan whereas she was actually speaking to Sean. I wonder if the key mystery turns out to be related to Kat's secret son? There've been suggestions that Sean is Kat's son but I can't see that being the case because Rob Kazinsky had been quite successful in the US so he wouldn't come back to EE full time. What would be the point of the twin reveal if we're not going to get another Slater living on the square in the future? On the other hand, it must have been deliberate that Sean Slater featured for the first time in years in the episode that revealed Kat's secret son... :hmm:
A stand out performance from Jessie. However I don't think there was any need to have this twist with the twin? It seems we are having storylines for sensation's sake. Nice to see June whitfield. I half expected Saffy and Edna to pop round the corner. :D
There was a need for a new direction for Kat. Fans have been complaining for years that Kat's storylines are just rinse and repeat and now we (hopefully) have some closure on the abuse storyline and a whole new purpose for her. On a personal note, I was really hoping sheQuote:
Originally Posted by flappinfanny
but I'm now looking forward to seeing what the future brings for her.Spoiler:
waste of a trifle
I'm sure I saw Winston tonight when Buster was chasing that boy through the market. Is he back?
I can't get enough of Aunt Babe's manipulation of the Carters. :D
Kim and Kat were great last night. I really like their friendship. It's a pleasure to see Kat looking more content. :)
what a party at beales, tina talking too much about boring sonia
so vincent the bad boy now 3 connections to square
what a party at beales, tina talking too much about boring sonia
so vincent the bad boy now 3 connections to square
for ur sake i hope he is backQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
for ur sake i hope he is backQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Why was Roxy and Charlie at Tina and Sonia's small intimate family birthday meal?
Mick seeing through Babe's plan was good and also nice touch to see Linda and Nancy mention the new royal baby after all Linda is a big royal fan :p
Charlie is family. He is Jim's step grandson and Sonia is Jim's grandaughter.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Did Charlie ever even meet or visit Jim?Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
Max and Abi weren't there and they are related by blood to Sonia
No sign of Mick or his family or Babe for Tina also
So whom next will Vincent be connected to maybe a Carter :p
Winston.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
An interesting connection-at last!!Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
An interesting connection-at last!!Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I wanted to see more of Babe stirring so I'm disappointed she's been caught out already. Still, I'm sure she'll be at it again sooner or later as I don't think she's one to give up. I wouldn't like to be in Shirley's shoes when Babe wreaks her revenge! :eek: I'm team Babe all the way though! :D I'll miss Annette Badland if she's off our screens for too long.
Martin and Tina both behaved very badly at Sonia's party. Tina's gloating and crass comment about Sonia's boobs seemed out of character for her - and very embarrassing for poor Rebecca (or Bex as she's now known). :o
I thought Sonia was really into Tina so I'm not sure why she was tempted by Martin again, especially as he's not exactly making himself attractive at the moment. I am liking the new Martin though.
It's good to see the underused Donna given more links to the square. I'm guessing Vincent's meant to be charming but I haven't succumbed so far. :p
not finding vincent charming or interesting either
kat son's or sharon's real daddy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
how predictable alfie won lottery, wasted storyline for him
kat son's or sharon's real daddy :pQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
how predictable alfie won lottery, wasted storyline for him