Ian, Sharon and Phil should be going to Jim's funeral actually most from the Square should be at Jim's funeral
I enjoy the Dot prison scenes especially of her and Cora
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Ian, Sharon and Phil should be going to Jim's funeral actually most from the Square should be at Jim's funeral
I enjoy the Dot prison scenes especially of her and Cora
Perhaps they're going to both. Go to Stan's and then wait for Jim's. Two for the price of one.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
sharon old bailey hair all talk on social media :p
I think Ronnie knows about Roxy and Charlie
Dot with the hat and Jim's coffin was so touching but I still felt Stan's funeral is overshadowing Jim's
What does Cora know about Aunt Babe and is Cora leaving for good?
Powerful and impressive scene between Dot and Cora on Monday. It was a psychological clash of the titans and felt like old school EastEnders. It's unusual to have such an extended, uninterrupted scene but it worked beautifully.
Just as I think Shirley can't sink any lower the writers manage to find a way. The way she and the other two waited spitefully to confront the family after the funeral (in their own home no less) was appalling. How can the character be redeemed after this? I really hate how low a once-favourite character's sunk. :thumbsdow
FFS when are we going to be rid of Dean? It's beyond a joke that we keep having to suffer his presence! :angry:
I really loved that Jim (in his coffin) got Tuesday's duff duffs! It's nice to see he's getting a proper East End funeral with the horse and cart. :clap:
Hopefully Thursday's episode (and perhaps Friday's too) will be all about Jim's funeral.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
Who's paying for Jim's funeral? Who decided on the horse and cart seeing that all his kids hated him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I think MaxQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
I assume all his children will contribute if they have the cash
Jack was his favourite and he always seemed in the money
Max told Carol he'd pay for the funeral but you've got a very good point about the horse and cart. Why would Max, who's repeatedly said how much he hated Jim, pay for the horse drawn hearse? Jack couldn't even be bothered to turn up so why would he fork out?Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
roxy honest and confessing that is new
Despite everything, Jim was his dad and maybe that paying for the horse drawn hearse makes him feel better for having all that resentment towards Jim???Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Despite everything, Jim was his dad and maybe that paying for the horse drawn hearse makes him feel better for having all that resentment towards Jim???Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
Aaah! Poor little Dean, I feel really sorry for him. :angry::angry::angry:
Shirley's feud with Mick is stupid
Linda's rape seems to be taking a back seat to Stan's demise and now Shirley and Mick's feud, I hope she gets justice soon
It is a shame no more of Jim's kids and grandkids would return for one episode at least for his funeral
Where is Cora going if Tanya isn't at home?
Dot was great as usual
I enjoyed Jim's funeral, though it was rather low key. There didn't even seem to have been a wake! Sonia abruptly standing up and starting to sing was a bit of a WTF moment, but it ended up being rather a moving tribute to Jim (and John)! :crying:
I'm very glad the irritating love triangle of Ronnie/Roxy/Charlie is at an end, but why did Roxy confess after begging Charlie not to (and rightly so as it's a supremely selfish act). Hopefully, Ronnie already knows so it won't come as a shock.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I think you must be right about Max's motivation! Carol did suss in last night's episode that Max didn't hate Jim as much as he was letting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
He doesn't seem to have cottoned onto the fact that he was in prison for rape because he chose to commit the crime in the first place. I'm certainly not feeling sorry for the littleQuote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
creep. :thumbsdow
Matt di Angelo is apparently still filming so Dean's not going any time soon. :angry:Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I'm so fed up with this storyline and want an end to it and for Linda to get the justice she deserves.
I do get the writers' intentions with this storyline - how a rape within a once happy family tears it apart. It sounds good on paper, but seeing smug Dean and Shirley constantly harassing poor Linda and her family does NOT make for entertaining viewing. Maybe it would have been OK if it hadn't been strung out for so long.
Shirley doing some heavy-duty DIY in the Vic whilst it was filled with customers was just ridiculous! :wall:
I think she's just hoping Tanya will be home when she arrives.Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
It looks like Cora isn't gone for good since Tanya doesn't even know she has an impending addition to her household. I'm glad. :)
ronnie planning revenge for charlie me thinks
Shirley needs to start being a good decent mum to Mick too, it is all about Dean with her
I wonder will Roxy stay away from Charlie now and really choose her sister Ronnie
What did Aunt Babe do in Ramsgate?
her and heather's mama performing illegal abortions i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
her and heather's mama performing illegal abortions i thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I loved Ronnie's "Don't tell him I know" at the end of Friday's episode. Deliciously sinister! I don't understand how she can forgive Roxy (for her second such transgression no less) but not Charlie though. :searchme:
Babe and Sylvie's scenes were riveting. Whatever could Babe have been up to in Ramsgate with Queenie? I couldn't help but laugh at Babe's line "He's on the mantelpiece now" about Stan. It was so hilariously callous! :D
How did no one at the nursing home hear the ruckus Babe and Sylvie were making?
It looks like Kim's going to get a visit from Vincent soon. :eek:
I really enjoyed that episode. Even Shirley was bearable (though I wouldn't go as far as to say sympathetic). Did anyone notice the sister theme of the episode (I didn't :o)?
I don't know about that. It sounds like whatever they did happened specifically in Ramsgate (and I thought they only stayed there while Shirley was pregnant). If they were illegal abortionists they'd have been doing it wherever they lived surely? Anyway abortion was legal in Britain when Mick was born.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Also why would the police be interested in that all these years later (unless they killed somone I suppose)?
carter refugee camp gotta love kim :p
why is tina now living at denise's place too?
max losing his suit his lady Karen as well as his businesses
carter refugee camp gotta love kim :p
why is tina now living at denise's place too?
max losing his suit his lady Karen as well as his businesses
Kim was brilliant last night. I used to detest her and definitely didn't find her funny, but she's been a revelation since her return. I really enjoy both the funny and dramatic sides of her now.Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Baby Pearl is very cute though she looked older than 2 months in that pushchair (especially since she was premature).
She decided Shirley needed her support more than Mick does... :searchme:Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Max is a complete idiot trusting that Phil - the man he so recently conned and who swore revenge - would help him!Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
Yes Kim was great
Don't be a bringer downer
yes did max really think phil would help him for nothing in returnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
yes did max really think phil would help him for nothing in returnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
dot will be unhappy with charlie for turning on max too as charlie did start the revenge plan on phil firstly
karen is a school pal of sam thinking a real relative of kathy or sharon
dot will be unhappy with charlie for turning on max too as charlie did start the revenge plan on phil firstly
karen is a school pal of sam thinking a real relative of kathy or sharon
What a pig Max Branning is - and what a hypocrite! They don't come any easier than him after all. Kat's got the excuse of the trauma of her abuse for her promiscuity. What excuse has Max got other than he's a sleaze? :angry:
I'm glad Phil managed to con him now (although I think it was waaay out of character for Max to be so easily fooled). I was very surprised Charlie was in on it. Last thing I remember was that he and Phil disliked each other so why is he working with him now? (I can't even remember Charlie starting the revenge plan Liz.)
So Babe's game is to insinuate herself into Mick's family? She'll probably be living at the Vic before long. It looks like she set up the brick through the window to try to persuade Dean to leave. Let's hope it works! :clap:
charlie told max it was phil who caused the accident they should get revenge something along those lines but charlie did tell max it was nick really when he found out
Thanks. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lizann
I do vaguely recall something along those lines now you mention it, which makes Charlie's self-righteous attitude in last night's episode even more inexplicable. :searchme:
wasnt Max buried alive in a coffin by Jim?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
I dont make excuses for Max -but it wouldn't
make for a pleasant personality-having a parent
treat u like that.
Agreed- sooner Dean goes the better. Being
drawn out far too long. Still hoping there is
some justice tho-even if not legal!
Dupl
I get what you're saying about Max, and his history does indeed explain (but not excuse) some of his bad behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
I was talking specifically about sexual behaviour in my last post and especially Max's vile attitude that Kat would sleep with him because she "never says no". Everyone (including Max) knows that Kat is that way because the abuse made her feel like a "dirty girl" who deserves nothing better than to be used by men, so Max's comment was disgusting, inexcusable and hypocritical in my opinion! :angry:
He's the most promiscuous character on the square and there's nothing in his history to explain or excuse the way he treats and uses women. Remember the way he treated Vanessa and Kirsty? What a pig! :thumbsdow
I agree that this sexual behaviour is inexcusableQuote:
Originally Posted by Dazzle
and hypocritical but typical of a certain type.
I did wonder if his excessive language etc Kat-
is part of the get Kat & Alfie back together story-
by making Alfile more acceptable by not being
as bad as someone else!
But some of the women will know how he has
treated others - but that is part of soap wisdom
- female characters too dim & desparate to see
the obvious or think it could apply to them.
I dont think Max values people at all in any way.
Especially women. Perhaps another inherited trait !
or learned behaviour!
Jim treated his first wife and daughter appallingly
before he was morphed into "lovely old codger"
His racist and general rant in the church at Carols
wedding to Alan Jackson is etched in my soap
memory!
As for Max being a babe magnet ..... Words almost
fail but not appropriate for a respectable forum
Dupl
I totally agree with your post, especially:
:rotfl:Quote:
Originally Posted by maidmarian
Charlie has becoming really unlikeable
I wonder what Babe wants? She does want to control all the Carters
After Kat went with Derek, I think Max thought for sure she would do him too, I do find Max and Kat together interesting as a couple :p
I'm sorry but I am now officially bored to tears with the whole Mick/Shirley/Dean story. It just goes round and round in circles. And as for Tina's role in it, how can she possibly side with Shirley and expect Mick to be reconciled with her? It makes a very boring story completely nonsensical as well.
Someone please castrate Dean and let's have done with it.
Linda's rape is taking a back seat to all the other Carter drama, she needs justice fast and soon, Dean has to pay
Quote:
Originally Posted by parkerman
**Warning - long rant**Quote:
Originally Posted by tammyy2j
I totally agree with you and so do lots of other people from what I've read elsewhere.
I was defending EE and DTC to the hilt and lauding how EE had been saved only a couple of months ago. That was true for me - at that time - but I can no longer say it.
The rape storyline has been badly misjudged in my opinion, and even worse it's completely taken over the show. I see people criticising the Carters again and again but in my opinion the problem isn't that family, who are all good characters played by decent actors, but with the all-consuming rape storyline they've all become enmeshed and enmired in.
It started well and I certainly believe the EE team were well-intentioned but, as Tammy says, it ceased being about the rape and its effect on Linda (and Mick) a long time ago. Now all we get are endless and nonsensical scenes of Carters feuding and taking sides.
No one with any sense wants to watch a drama where a rape victim's being constantly harassed by the perpetrator and his posse. I know we have several killers on the square but there are extenuating circumstances for all of them so I can forget (if not forgive). Sex crimes are a whole other level of distasteful because by their very nature they're so degrading and cannot be accidental or provoked. I will never forgive Dean for the rape and his callous behaviour since. If he'd shown some remorse privately it might have been just bearable, but he's completely lacking in empathy or conscience about it. All we get is self-pity. Are we actually supposed to sympathise with him that he was beaten up in prison and that he's a pariah in Albert Square? :searchme:
Then there's Shirley, who's never been a nice character, but she's had enough sympathetic moments to redeem her - up until now. I'll never forgive her behaviour towards Linda and her supposedly beloved first born, even when Dean's (hopefully) long gone. I'll also never believe that Mick could forgive her behaviour, though we all know it'll happen at some point. :wall:
EE are in serious danger of losing me as a viewer again over this storyline if it doesn't end soon and if Dean doesn't get some kind of satisfying comeuppance. I did think that he raped Shabnam when she told her story to Stacey and that's how the truth would come out, but that was so long ago now that it almost feels like I dreamt those scenes!
Pull your socks up DTC and give us viewers an ending we can live with to this storyline and QUICKLY. And for goodness sake make sure the baby (a completely unnecessary and sensationalist addition to the plot) is quickly ascertained to be Mick's! You wanted a realistic rape plotline that showed how hard it is for victims to get justice, and I agreed with that, but it's also got to be palatable to your viewers (and let's face it, it's long since stopped being about Linda). :angry:
**End of rant (for now)**