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i think you can get ema if your parents earn less than £30,000 (thats what it was when i was in 6th form i think). you can also get a few £100 bonuses throughout the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Xx-Vicky-xX
£30 a week is the max, but it is based on how much parents earn...least i believe you get is £10 a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Yeah that is still right i think you get £100 bonuses twice a year :confused: it's daft i aint long left and i cant remember how the system worked :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi think you can get ema if your parents earn less than £30,000 (thats what it was when i was in 6th form i think). you can also get a few £100 bonuses throughout the yearQuote:
Originally Posted by Xx-Vicky-xX£30 a week is the max, but it is based on how much parents earn...least i believe you get is £10 a weekQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I think EMA is good, my friend said the other day if it wasnt for her EMA she wouldnt have went to her Dance lessosns.
But still she finds eventhough she gets the max she doesnt think sometmes its enough
i think ema is a good idea but some people abuse the fact they get it i think. i mean i know most people use it to help their parents out or to buy their school clothes/books etc but i know a lot of people who got the full amount and then just spent it down the pub, which in my view if thats all theyre going to do with it then they shouldnt be allowed to get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
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Originally Posted by di marcoi think ema is a good idea but some people abuse the fact they get it i think. i mean i know most people use it to help their parents out or to buy their school clothes/books etc but i know a lot of people who got the full amount and then just spent it down the pub, which in my view if thats all theyre going to do with it then they shouldnt be allowed to get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
Completely agree with you. That's why I think they should give EMA to everyone with the consistent attendance and not so much is doing well... but I think the effort shoudl be looked at then I think peolpe deserve EMA. It really annoyed me last year when em adn all my firends were turning up to our elssons and trying our best but couldn't get EMA, yet there were "the bums" in school who would ask the etacher to mark them in and would do nothing all lesson or jsut leave the classroom. I think the basis on whcih they give out EMA is wrong really:searchme:
EDIT: Btw, I couldn't get EMA last year but I qualify for ti this year... btu I'm not sure if I can apply for ti this year if I didn't get it last year?? Could anyone enlighten me on that?? Thanks :)
i agree, its unfair when people get it if they dont do any work or skip lessonsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirsty :]Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi think ema is a good idea but some people abuse the fact they get it i think. i mean i know most people use it to help their parents out or to buy their school clothes/books etc but i know a lot of people who got the full amount and then just spent it down the pub, which in my view if thats all theyre going to do with it then they shouldnt be allowed to get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
Completely agree with you. That's why I think they should give EMA to everyone with the consistent attendance and not so much is doing well... but I think the effort shoudl be looked at then I think peolpe deserve EMA. It really annoyed me last year when em adn all my firends were turning up to our elssons and trying our best but couldn't get EMA, yet there were "the bums" in school who would ask the etacher to mark them in and would do nothing all lesson or jsut leave the classroom. I think the basis on whcih they give out EMA is wrong really:searchme:
EDIT: Btw, I couldn't get EMA last year but I qualify for ti this year... btu I'm not sure if I can apply for ti this year if I didn't get it last year?? Could anyone enlighten me on that?? Thanks :)
i think you can apply for it this year even though you didnt get it last year, as youre told to notify them if theres a change in circumstance which means you dont qualify for ema anymore so im sure it would work the same the other way round. the best thing to do is ask at your school, theres no harm in trying, and im sure youll be able to apply for it
The other why I dont think the EMA system isnt very good, I mean yes its good but I dont think they take into account, enough, like the amount of kids you have and just different situations
Anyway I just cant believe Im going back to college on monday!!!
I can't believe the cinema STILL haven't got back to me! It's been a week nowwwwww :(
I'm not their friends!!!
yeh ive always thought that too. how is it fair that an only child gets ema when their parents earn just less than £30,000 when someone who is 1 of 4 children and their parents earn just more than £30,000 doesnt get ema, surely the 1 who is getting ema is more well off to start with?Quote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
I think Ema is nothing, £30 a week doesnt exactly go far
At my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
That is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
loads of schools though dont do registers for each lesson so as long as you turn up to registration youre ok. also i knew someone in my performing arts lesson who was never there but she was really pally with the teacher so he just marked her in so she could get her emaQuote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
i agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
Do you have to pay for sick notes from a doctor now? :eek:
:eek: What!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
Yeah you only get it when you're in education of your own choice. The whole point of it being brought in was that it would help those from less well off backgrounds to stay in education. If the leaving age was 18 then there would only be 1 year that you could get it; they do give it to 19 year olds if they are on an appropriate course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xx-Vicky-xXIt would probably be scrapped i would imagine...but even then not everyone is entitled to itQuote:
Originally Posted by di marcobut im guessing students would still be given ema for the last 2yrs of school? or would that be scrapped if schooling was compulsory?Quote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I think they did it because EMA is for you going to school. So if you don't, for whatever reason, then you don't get it. I didn't get it when i had trips either, cause i wasn't in lessons. And with the bonuses, you would only get them if you acheived or bettered your predicted grades in all your subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
My school might have just been strict, but it was a good motivator!
When I applied for this year it said you could apply if you were born between September 1 1989 and August 31 1992, so you'll be fine. Obviously they know that changes can happen from year to year otherwise surely they'd give the one amount weekly for the duration of the course rather than having people reapply after each year. There's a section on the form about previous EMA payments and if you had them you had to some number to do with your previous application or something, so you just leave that block blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirsty :]Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi think ema is a good idea but some people abuse the fact they get it i think. i mean i know most people use it to help their parents out or to buy their school clothes/books etc but i know a lot of people who got the full amount and then just spent it down the pub, which in my view if thats all theyre going to do with it then they shouldnt be allowed to get itQuote:
Originally Posted by Abbie
Completely agree with you. That's why I think they should give EMA to everyone with the consistent attendance and not so much is doing well... but I think the effort shoudl be looked at then I think peolpe deserve EMA. It really annoyed me last year when em adn all my firends were turning up to our elssons and trying our best but couldn't get EMA, yet there were "the bums" in school who would ask the etacher to mark them in and would do nothing all lesson or jsut leave the classroom. I think the basis on whcih they give out EMA is wrong really:searchme:
EDIT: Btw, I couldn't get EMA last year but I qualify for ti this year... btu I'm not sure if I can apply for ti this year if I didn't get it last year?? Could anyone enlighten me on that?? Thanks :)
Expect it to be slow though Kirsty. I applied a while back now and I haven't heard anything. I'm having to pay for a bus pass and my English teacher wants money for some of the set texts next week. My mum's unemployed and my dad won't pay for it. Good job I have disability living allowance or I wouldn't have the money. It shouldn't be spent school stuff but if they'd hurry up then it wouldn't be.
I think the whole system is silly too. It's not our fault how much our parents earn. Even if they do have a load of money then there's no saying they have to hand it over in order to help with their child's education. My friends won't get any EMA; I think a set amount per week should just be given to all students who stay on; no student's effort to carry on learning after 16 is less valid than that of another.
I thought it depended on whether your teachers thought you had worked hard enough for the bonus or not. Predicted grades is another silly system, mine changed so much during GCSE. I don't think it's fair to do it on those if that's what they do; I underachieved in 2 subjects at GCSE and they were the ones I did the most work for. I'm sure a lot of people have some modules worse than others, it doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't been putting enough work and effort in.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiI think they did it because EMA is for you going to school. So if you don't, for whatever reason, then you don't get it. I didn't get it when i had trips either, cause i wasn't in lessons. And with the bonuses, you would only get them if you acheived or bettered your predicted grades in all your subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
My school might have just been strict, but it was a good motivator!
We were allowed three self certifiable absences per term or 10 per year (don't know how they figured that out). After that we had to have a parents' letter or a sick note (which, btw, you don't have to pay for). We only had to attend for timetabled lessons (15 hrs + 1hr key skills in yr12, 12hrs + 1hr gen studies in yr 13) and could go home during frees.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
Our bonuses were assessed on different things like attendance, punctuality, quality of work, on target, making an effort etc.
My mum would never write me a note if I was skiving.
My tutor was talking to us about self certificating absences on Friday. When my EMA comes through I will have to ask her if we are allowed so many before we lose the money. We're only allowed home for Period 1 or Period 5 frees in Year 13, providing the school are satisfied that we did our best in Year 12. They withdraw that though if it doesn't lead to improved performance. Don't have to worry about that just yet. I won't be able to go home if they'll allow me anyway unless I can drive by then.
Attendance is the only criteria that should count for getting the bonus or not, if you don't get on with a teacher and he/she says that you have not worked hard enough, you could be out of pocket, although you might have worked as hard as you can. Everybody can just do their best which the teacher might not see the same :(
yeh it sounds like your school were doing it how it was meant to be done. so many schools dont though which is unfair on students who go to the ones that do!Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiI think they did it because EMA is for you going to school. So if you don't, for whatever reason, then you don't get it. I didn't get it when i had trips either, cause i wasn't in lessons. And with the bonuses, you would only get them if you acheived or bettered your predicted grades in all your subjects.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
My school might have just been strict, but it was a good motivator!
i agree with that. i didnt get ema and i dont begrudge people that did, but what annoys me is the only thing my mum paid for for me was my uniform (cos i went to a new school and had to wear a uniform) and my retakes. any new clothes i wanted for outside of school or anywhere i wanted to go i had to pay for myself, so it really annoyed me when people i know got the full £30 and just spent it on going down the pub or buying loads of new clothes, while their parents still gave them money and paid for anything school related. i know not everyone does this but it annoys me the people that did cos obviously their family didnt need the money if all it was being spent on was alcohol! one day last year when my sis was having an argument with my mum about lending her some money she told my mum that "technically you should be giving me £30 a week as i dont get ema so the government obviously think you should be giving that amount of money to me!" needless to say my mum told her off and said she didnt think she needed £30 a week to just go out with! tbh i dont think theres ever going to be a completely fair system, even if everyone got money then people would probably moan or if they made the guidelines stricter people would still moan. on the whole, i think its quite fair atm but its just the minority of people who take advantage of itQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim
oh ok, maybe if youre in fulltime education and 18 or under you can get them for free. i just assumed everyone had to pay for them cos i know of people who have had to pay for their doctors notes (and i think its quite expensive too!). though i wouldnt have thought doctors write notes for just anytime you were sick, if you always needed a doctors note for when you were off school youre not just gonna go down there if youre just off for the day with a migraine or something, i think the doctors would get fed up of having to do it lol! (i dont think i explained that very well but oh well i know what i meant! :rolleyes: ). and i wasnt saying every parent would pretend their kids were sick when they were skiving (cos mine wouldnt either) but can you honestly say that no parent would do that? i was just saying that how is it proof you were actually sick just cos your parents have written a note?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbigailWe were allowed three self certifiable absences per term or 10 per year (don't know how they figured that out). After that we had to have a parents' letter or a sick note (which, btw, you don't have to pay for). We only had to attend for timetabled lessons (15 hrs + 1hr key skills in yr12, 12hrs + 1hr gen studies in yr 13) and could go home during frees.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoi agree, if you are genuinely ill its unfair, but how could that be proved? your parents could write a note for you if you wanted to skive off, and you have to pay for doctors notes so no ones likely to do that!Quote:
Originally Posted by PerditaThat is unfair, if you are ill, you can't attend lessons, surely you could get a note from your parents or the doctor to prove genuine illness to claim the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by AbiAt my school, you had to go to all your lessons in the week, and if you missed any, you didn't get it. You couldn't go home in free lessons either, and had to be in the study room working. So if you are ill and have the day off, you won't get it, the same if you skip. It's the same in a lot of schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
Our bonuses were assessed on different things like attendance, punctuality, quality of work, on target, making an effort etc.
My mum would never write me a note if I was skiving.
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Originally Posted by KimI thought it depended on whether your teachers thought you had worked hard enough for the bonus or not. Predicted grades is another silly system, mine changed so much during GCSE. I don't think it's fair to do it on those if that's what they do; I underachieved in 2 subjects at GCSE and they were the ones I did the most work for. I'm sure a lot of people have some modules worse than others, it doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't been putting enough work and effort in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abi
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Originally Posted by Abigail
im not sure what the official guidelines are for people to receive bonuses but obviously each school seems to decide differently. again though, i think it would be very hard to determine what criteria should be used. if, say, it only went by attendance then surely people could just turn up for school and not do any work or distract the class, but they would still get the bonus cos they turned up yet they didnt do any work. or if it goes by predicted grades, if you work your hardest, turn up to every lesson, do all the work, yet for some reason get lower than your predicted grade how is it fair that you wouldnt get the bonus? or if it was judged by effort, then one teacher could be more strict than another or favour different students. so im not sure how the bonuses could be decided on fairly but i do think that every school should have to decide using the same criteriaQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
we were only ever allowed home in our frees if we didnt have any more lessons that day, we had to come in first thing in the morning even if our first lesson was a free cos they wanted to make sure we were in school for the rest of our lessons and didnt turn up late etc. we were allowed to do that in both yr12 and 13 but they did sometimes not let you if you were consistently not doing hw/cw etc. the form tutor just used to ask you the next day why you werent in registration in the afternoon and if you said you had a free then it wasnt marked as an absence or anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Kim
A doctor's note is different from a sick note. The pink sick notes are free. Asking a doctor to write a letter on headed paper is what you have to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
so whats the difference then? why would you bother paying for one if you can get them for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbigailA doctor's note is different from a sick note. The pink sick notes are free. Asking a doctor to write a letter on headed paper is what you have to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
You need a pink sick note to give to an employer when you are ill so that you can claim sick pay if you are off for more than three days (I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoso whats the difference then? why would you bother paying for one if you can get them for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbigailA doctor's note is different from a sick note. The pink sick notes are free. Asking a doctor to write a letter on headed paper is what you have to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
I got a doctors' letter to give to my school about my medical details as they required an official version. I think it cost £14 but I know people who have paid up to £40 for a letter. I also got a letter to take on holiday with me because America are really strict about controlled drugs. Nobody ever asked for it though. My sister walked through with 400 morphine tablets in her bag and they didn't even ask why.
I need to get another doctors letter this week to take with me when I register at a new GP on Saturday. Short notice will probably bump up the price :rolleyes:
I am not qualified for the EMA but my parents are not going to give me money! Fair enough I haven't got far to travel (1 min walk from the school LOL).. But they make a big deal about how they pay to learn but then you find out there's a catch. I think people without EMA should get a small bonus if they work hard to, just to motivate them to keep on learning as well IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim
I am not going to get any bonuses or anything from my parents. Yeah they will provide me with clothes and food or whatever needed but nothing I can treat myself for. I never got pocket money when I was little so I doubt they will do that now either lol! :) x
i think thats a good idea about the bonuses. keep the weekly ema how it is but giving everyone the chance to the bonuses if they work hard, even only a £20 bonus for achieveing your bestQuote:
Originally Posted by .:SpIcYsPy:.
i didnt realise you could get sick notes for free, as 2 people my mum worked with had to pay for theirs to get sick pay, the school must have wanted an official one or something instead. yours would have cost less cos children and oaps etc get them cheaper. i think my sis said when she last went to the doctors there was a sign saying the price was going up to about £60! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by AbigailYou need a pink sick note to give to an employer when you are ill so that you can claim sick pay if you are off for more than three days (I think).Quote:
Originally Posted by di marcoso whats the difference then? why would you bother paying for one if you can get them for free?Quote:
Originally Posted by AbigailA doctor's note is different from a sick note. The pink sick notes are free. Asking a doctor to write a letter on headed paper is what you have to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
I got a doctors' letter to give to my school about my medical details as they required an official version. I think it cost £14 but I know people who have paid up to £40 for a letter. I also got a letter to take on holiday with me because America are really strict about controlled drugs. Nobody ever asked for it though. My sister walked through with 400 morphine tablets in her bag and they didn't even ask why.
My parents have never paid for a pink sick note. Each practice might have a different policy on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
Mum has got my letter sorted, it's going to cost me £14 for the doctor to list my medical conditions and medications :eek: I suppose it's going to be all medical jargon because it's to a doctor at another practice.
has the new doctor asked for a note from your current doctor? cos wont all your medical history and notes and stuff be transfered anyway so everything will be in there that he/she needs to know? i really cant believe theyre so expensive though, at least you probably got to pay the student price for itQuote:
Originally Posted by AbigailMy parents have never paid for a pink sick note. Each practice might have a different policy on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by di marco
Mum has got my letter sorted, it's going to cost me £14 for the doctor to list my medical conditions and medications :eek: I suppose it's going to be all medical jargon because it's to a doctor at another practice.
Apparantly it can take a while for notes to be transferred to another practice, I also have neurology and cardiology notes floating around different hospitals too. If I become ill before they get my notes it could be a problem because of all the meds I take. I have a big problem with my memory and I can't remember the majority of my medical history so its important that the doctor knows about it when I get there.
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Originally Posted by KimI thought it depended on whether your teachers thought you had worked hard enough for the bonus or not. Predicted grades is another silly system, mine changed so much during GCSE. I don't think it's fair to do it on those if that's what they do; I underachieved in 2 subjects at GCSE and they were the ones I did the most work for. I'm sure a lot of people have some modules worse than others, it doesn't necessarily mean that they haven't been putting enough work and effort in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abi
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Originally Posted by Abigail
im not sure what the official guidelines are for people to receive bonuses but obviously each school seems to decide differently. again though, i think it would be very hard to determine what criteria should be used. if, say, it only went by attendance then surely people could just turn up for school and not do any work or distract the class, but they would still get the bonus cos they turned up yet they didnt do any work. or if it goes by predicted grades, if you work your hardest, turn up to every lesson, do all the work, yet for some reason get lower than your predicted grade how is it fair that you wouldnt get the bonus? or if it was judged by effort, then one teacher could be more strict than another or favour different students. so im not sure how the bonuses could be decided on fairly but i do think that every school should have to decide using the same criteriaQuote:
Originally Posted by Perdita
I agree. It is very hard to get a fair system to do it with though - our grades for homework were supposed to be set in accordance to how much of the homework we completed and whether it was handed in on time. I did all the homework on time but my Maths teacher gave me a B for homework because I got quite a bit of it wrong. (The grades were A - Very good, B - Acceptable and C - Cause for Concern.) It's usually the case that the teachers like whoever are good at their subjects, so it'll be hard for those achieving their potential at lower grades to get a bonus if the teachers influence who gets it.