Steven Wicks

I saw the Steven clips on You Tube again. I still can't help liking Steven's reunion with Lucy and Peter and the scenes with Jane before she realises he is unhinged. He actually seemedreally uncomfortable whenever Ian and Cindy was mentioned. His legs were shaking and he didn't talk much and Friday's scene with Jane he felt bad I think and wanted to leave.

Steven: "I'm sorry for what Lucy said - all that stuff about mum".
Jane: "It wasn't your fault".
Steven: "Not much help though is it? Old face turning up from the past. It's bound to upset her."
Jane: "Steven, you're here because you care about your dad, and I kno you've had your differences in the past, but if he were here now, if he could see..."
Steven: "I'd better go".

I agree. They should have been careful around Steven - well at least Ian and Lucy should have even if Jane didn't fully understand but it was a bad move on Lucy's part to call Jane. Jane doesn't understand Steven the way she and Ian do and the last thing you do is call someone who is bound to get really angry and upset and make matters worse instead of allowing someone who is calm, gentle and patient to resolve the situation. Anyway both Ian and Steven specificaly told Lucy to stay in the kitchen because it is not safe outside and she ought to have listened to them. Ian is her dad and Steven whatever his issues with Ian genuinely cares about his sister.

Ian saw Lucy walking towards the door though. He knew that she was on her way out to get someone - maybe he thought Lucy would call the Police rather than Jane but, either way he did nothing to stop her leaving.

He obviously wanted her to get someone.

Maybe. I'll have to look carefully in the omnibus tomorrow. Well, if Ian did see her and did not stop her he may naturally vhave hoped she would fetch help but it was unfortunate that Jane barged in and hit Steven at that point. Even Ian told her not to because he had calmed Steven - in fact Steven looked as though he was going to cry and Ian as though he was going to hug him. As someone in another thread said - Steven is indeed "a tortured soul".

He is deffinately tortured, i feel sorry for him, i always did even when he was played by Edward, he went through so much i can totally understand why he is the way he is even if i don't condone locking Ian up

I wasn't much sorry for him when Edward played him. Edward's acting was so wooden. Aaron's made me sympathise with him though what he did was definitely wrong.

I thought Edward was rather cute and sweet, but then i was 12 when Edward left, at 12 i guess you don't really critcize acting as much, i never wanted him to leave, Steven was always my favourite from the beale family, i was glad when i heard he was coming back, still am glad he is back of course but with Aaron playing him although i think Aaron is a good actor and portrays Steven well as a rather disturbed young man i do (as stated before) find that it is very easy to change my opionion of the character where as with Edward i liked Steven all the time

Though I can understand why Jane, Ian and Lucy did as they did, they did make mistakes.

Ok Ian - I can understand that he really hated Steven at the start for what he did and of course he wanted to call the police but I think that in a hostage situation the last thing you should try and do is contact anyone - especially the police. The reason is that this trigfers off a fear reaction in the captor. The captor, especially someone as unhinged as Steven - is going to do whatever it takes to stop the person calling the police whether it is resorting to pointing a gun at the person, attacking the person or whatever. But - Ian did things the right way the rest of the episode - submitting to Steven and asking Lucy to do so, talking somewhat calmly and for a moment I really thought Steven was going to break down in tears which is what he actually eeds to do and Ian was about to hug him.

Lucy - It is a shock to discover that your beloved older half brother has locked your father up but if it were me in that situation I would have realised that he is not evil. He is mixed-up. Whatever issues he had with Ian he certainly wouldn't hurt Peter and Lucy and despicable as his behaviour was - holding Ian captive and then staying with his family knowing he is the cause of their pain - he clearly has mental issues. He said it was over and was releasing Ian. He obviously hadn't hurt Ian and only pulled out the gun to stop Ian going to the policer and certainly felt guilty enough after a while to confess indirectly by showing Lucy what he had done.

Steven is right to say it is dangerous outside and even Ian told her to wait in thekitchen though he did not stop her leaving. If it were me, the lasrt thing I would want is to contact Jane. Jane would be angry and upset and act without thinking. I would have listened to their conversation but still waited, scared or not - trusting that Ian would make the situation calm. Ian nd Lucy are already in danger since Steven has a gun with him so the last thing that is needed is to bring Jane into danger by summoning her to the flat. Since Steven meant what he said when he said he wanted it over and was going to let Ian out after their conversation, the best thing to do is listen and wait. Judging from his past actions he doesn't sem to have actuallty attacked anyone and does not seemlikely to either.

Jane - I understand that she is naturally relieved that her husband is safe. She feels betrayed that her stepson whom she kindly took into her own hoyuse is the one responsible for all their pain. She is angry and fustrated despite realising he is unwell. Ok go in and hug Ian by all means but if the audience could see that Steven was on the point of crying and Ian had his arms held out to hug him, then Jane can see too that Ian has calmed Steven down. Punching him and asking him idf the gun was intended for him was a basd move. It made the situation tense and volatile again after all ian's efforts in comming to an understanding with Steven. Even Ian himself told Jane not to do anything stupid.

Ian started off doing the right thing when Steven threatened suicide. The every fact that Steven offered to kill himself and nearly acted on it shows that he is repentant and not evil. Ian told Steven gently not to be stupid and to calm down. Lucy messed things up by trying to grab the gun. Granted she is only 13 but everyone knows that a gun is a dangerous object that could accidentally go off. Then Ian and Jane made the same mistake instead of having Ian talk calmly and gently to him. Ian and Lucy understand him better and know him longer than Jane who is a complete stranger to him so she ought to have let them deal with it.

I think Steven had planned to kill himself - why hold onto the gun otherwise? When he had gone to the police station to turn it in, he changed his mind when that officer said he would want to speak to Steven again. I think Steven knew he was losing it.

What I found interesting, was when Steven asked Ian who he loved the most out of all of his wives, Steven was expecting him to say Cindy and Ian said Jane. Steven was expecting Ian to say Cindy, because even though he was beginning to take off his rose coloured glasses about Cindy, he still had her on a pedestal.

I have to say, this has been one of the best storylines in EE for a long, long time and the actors have been great.

I agree that this has been the best storyline in the whole of EastEnders - well since i watched it anyway and I watched it from Steve Owen's drug addiction. Maybe you'reright and he held onto the gun so that he could kill himself after confessing the truth - to Lucy at least and after telling Ian why he did what he did. Yes he always had Cindy on a pedestal but Cindy didn't deserve that. Like Ian said, both Cindy and Simon were not very nice people. The only problem with the storyline is how Steven can be brought back after all this but hopefully they will find a way.

He'll go to a clinic - be completely cured after a month or so and come back as though nothing as happened. That's my guess.

I'm sure they will forgive him. He is so obviously ill and I was so sorry for him on Friday when he seemed desperate enough to kill himself. Yes your guess is probably right. I hope it is. I don't believe Steven wouldever have killed or attacked anyone, unhinged or not.

I deffinately don't believe he intended to hurt anyone friday i just think they scared him when they went close to him to try get the gun

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Originally Posted by Lizzie Brookes

Ian started off doing the right thing when Steven threatened suicide. The every fact that Steven offered to kill himself and nearly acted on it shows that he is repentant and not evil. Ian told Steven gently not to be stupid and to calm down. Lucy messed things up by trying to grab the gun. Granted she is only 13 but everyone knows that a gun is a dangerous object that could accidentally go off. Then Ian and Jane made the same mistake instead of having Ian talk calmly and gently to him. Ian and Lucy understand him better and know him longer than Jane who is a complete stranger to him so she ought to have let them deal with it.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, remember we are watching as viewers, so can say well if X hadnt have done that, and if Y has listened to Z etc.....But I think what happened was realistic, showing how people reacted to the situation. I think you have been quite harsh on Jane and Lucy's characters, regarding the way they reacted....

I can fully understand Jane's anger and why she wanted to hit out at Steven, to suddenly discover that your husband had been held hostage somewhere, and by Steven, who had been around her, befriended her and pretended to support her when she was obviously in bits about it, only to discover that he knew all along about Ian's fate. Then hell I think I would have launched myself at him too!


Lucy went to get help, I think a brave decision on her part, she knew that Steven was unstable, she knew he had a gun and was quite capable of anything (since he had locked up Ian for 2 weeks in a flat) and that the discussion between Ian and Steven was becoming more heated and thus she felt, that she needed to get help. Ian saw her go, so I guess she took that as a sign that she was doing the right thing.

Also, what happened on Friday was the climax to what was a pre-meditated and very cruel period of mental torture by Steven. Firstly he played on Lucy's emotional vulnerability by pretending to be her dead mother, and consequently upset Peter into the bargain too. Remember him wondering why Cindy only wanted to meet Lucy and not him?

Then there were the deliveries, the wreath, coffin etc etc. Steven's actions didn't just cause distress to Ian they affected Jane, Lucy and Peter too. He knew exactly what he was doing and what he wanted to achieve which resulted in luring Ian to the towerblock and holding him hostage.

Unhinged, ill or just bad? Probably a bit of all 3 in my opinion.

I agree that what he did was wrong like you said - the mental torture etc. I remember thinking when first I heard of it that Steven was a psychopath buut then I decided he wasn't because unhinged or not he genuinely loves his half brother and sister despite what he put them through and he certainly seems to respect Jane. I agree that comforting Jane while knowing all along what happened to Ian is a bit sick but he does repent in the end as we saw. He was deluded - he thought that Ian was responsible for Cindy's death in prison - and the question is whether a man who is mentally unstable can think and judge sanely.

I agree that Ian,Jane, Peter and Lucy certainly did not deserve whatthey went through and it was all Steven's fault but time is a great healer and hopefully over time they will realise the boy was ill and forive him. The very fact that he was on the point of confessing to Jane before he messed it up by acting on his crush on her and that he showed Lucy what he did and said he wanted to end it shows that he repented. Repenting helps even if it does not make your actions less wrong. He even tried to kill himself for it.

Another fab episode :)

I thought Aaron was brilliant tonight - the way he portrayed all his emotion, with Lucy in the kitchen and then Ian in the car and at the health clinic

Poor Jane, she shouldnt be the one in pain in this, but i liked the fact that she knew Steven isnt right, needs help and gave Ian the idea

Love the contrast with Wizard of Oz

I like the storyline, there is a lot of mental illness around and if this story highlights mental health issues, than it is a good thing. :clap:

I totally agree with you. The Cindy Beale Haunting plot and its aftermarth is the best storyline EastEnders have ever had.

I wonder if Pat ever suspected Steven was behind Ian's disappearance. I mean on the 2nd of october she told Steven that she rang Simon who said he had some trouble in New Zealand. Simon denied that it was his dad getting a gierlfriend and was evasive when asked if it was Ian and Pat said something along the lines of "You turning up in England after all these years and ian not being here - I know your secrets, something isn't right".

It's a bit sad since i'm 28, but Aaron is hot!

I wish that the episodes for Monday October 1st and Thursday October 4th were on You Tube as well. Tuesday 2nd October and Friday 5th October are and I like the scene with Steven holding the guinea pig Abi has and the bit where he tells Lucy that whoever is writing her the messages is playing some sick game and Cindy is actually dead. The bit where DS Grimwood questioned him on Thursday was good too.

Don't worry about fancying someone younger than yourself - lots of people do. I see Steven as more of anolder brother figure and often wish I were in Lucy's shoes but I think Aaron's a superb actor.

Was it the last time we saw Steven when he rang Pat and asked her to visit him? I was wondering whether I had missed an episode or something:searchme:

Yes it was - don't worry, you haven't missed any Steven scenes. From what i read, he will be back on screen next Thursday and I for one can't wait.

^ me too - should be back next thursday :D

Thursday and Friday's episodes were really good. I loved the Steven scenes. Pat is right though - however guilty Steven feels he has to give Ian and Jane space and keep a low profile for a while. I wish he had not thrown away his medication. I can imagine being on medication's a pain but if he goes off it he might get ill again. I was sorruy for him wen he overheard that conversation. Ian has no right to tell Pat not to speak to her own grandon - that was out of order. I fully understand Ian and Jane hating him and not wanting to see him but Pat is his grandmother. I know some people think Steven's gay but I doubt it. When he first returned to Walford he said "the usual - girls, drink" and Pat once said "He's turned into a right little heartbreaker" - in other words a ladies man. Steven's right not toreturn to New Zealand. He'll only get ill again and hates it there and it is not good for his mental health.